Dame asks for trade (And there it is)

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I realize this is slightly OT but can y’all just take a minute and look at my profile picture and ponder how iconic it is.

It’s on our court, and while it’s a bummer it says “moda” it’s still historic. Yes he had done it before, but until that shot nobody had done it more than once.
 
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But did Dame tell Joe that it was Miami and ONLY Miami before he went public? And should Joe take a shit deal just to make Dame happy? And by shit, I mean Herro, Robinson, 2 picks? Miami knows they're only bidding against themselves so why on earth would they give us even remotely good value on Dame?

And it's like Dame still doesn't get it, or doesn't give a shit, that when he puts us in a box it drastically reduces our leverage in negotiations.

It's almost like he wants to stay ....
 
In all seriousness, with all these people who say they know people and that they therefore know exactly what went down in discussions between Dame's people and Cronin, I don't understand how it is that what I think would be the single most likely situation never is brought up.

First, Cronin saying he'd try to use this year's pick to get veteran support for Dame. The problem is, when the Blazers get the third pick and a potentially transcendent player and the return you are getting for that is OG Anunoby IF you throw in Ant and other first-round picks, or maybe you are getting a Tobias Harris-level forward, it makes no sense to trade the pick that became Scoot for that.

I feel pretty confident that had Cronin made that deal, 98% of the people criticizing Cronin for not making a trade would be lambasting him for making that trade that Dame wanted. Dame wouldn't have been held accountable for it, just like he never was held accountable for the other trades to bring him veteran help.

I think ^ this has pretty much been confirmed by the actual people involved.

However, second, I could absolutely see Cronin telling Dame and his representation that he'd try to trade him where he wanted if he wanted out. "Try" being the key word. I'm very skeptical that anyone in Cronin's shoes would have guaranteed that absolutely and backed himself into a corner. I think it's very likely Dame and Goodwin were disappointed that he wasn't immediately dealt to Miami and might have either been taking Cronin's conditional guarantee for something more because of that or never understood it in the first place.

There's going to be a line that Cronin or any GM is not going to cross regardless of what he might have said he wanted to do. If he said he was going to trade Dame to the Bulgarian League and the Bulgarians low-balled us by offering Keljin Blevins and only Keljin Blevins in return, of course he's not making that deal.

Why people think it's realistic that Cronin made an unconditional promise in the first place and are holding him to that regardless of the return is beyond me. It flies in the face of reason.

Finally, Dame did himself no favors here. If Team Goodwin was putting out the vibes that Dame was close to asking for a trade before the draft, he might have, perhaps unwittingly, decreased the market for the third pick, because other GMs thought that Dame was the real prize instead of No. 3, and, they'd either get the third pick and extras for a song or Dame would be in the market and they could make out there. Sharks with blood in the water.

Then Dame didn't keep his word and wait until free agency was well underway to ask for a trade. Then he made it harder for the Blazers to trade with the Heat because he named one team and then he had his agent call all these other teams to tell them not to trade for him so Dame could basically join a Heat team that just played in the finals without having to give up any of its core rotation to get him.

I think that's pretty likely how this all played out, but some people just need to be angry at someone all the time, so knowing what we actually know about how these things usually play out doesn't matter.
 
And there's the very real possibility Cronin told Dame he'd trade him where he wants to go (considering Cronin has already done this with three players) but they didn't trust Cronin to stick by his word considering he hasn't up to this point.

My only pushback is if he told 3 people he'd trade him to his preferred destination and there's 3 examples of it, it's human nature to believe.

There's lots of blame to go around regardless
 
My only pushback is if he told 3 people he'd trade him to his preferred destination and there's 3 examples of it, it's human nature to believe.

There's lots of blame to go around regardless
No sorry, there is not. Dame making tip top dollar and the face of the franchise is not at all in the same situation as other peripheral players traded from PDX. Making assumptions that he and his massive bag are the same as others is ridiculous period. Blame belongs primarily with him for being completely arrogant and stupid about his situation. He didn’t have to sign the massive extension but since he did, he should have understood what that meant. Wanting to screw the Blazers over as he leaves by demanding to be traded to a team without the assets to come close to compensating them is completely selfish.

STOMP
 
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My only pushback is if he told 3 people he'd trade him to his preferred destination and there's 3 examples of it, it's human nature to believe.

There's lots of blame to go around regardless
But none of those 3 people went public with those, or limited to 1 team.

From what I read, it was more of: "We have 2 potential offers on the table. Do you want to go to X or Y."
 
No sorry, there is not. Dame making tip top dollar and the face of the franchise is not at all in the same situation as other peripheral players traded from PDX. Making assumptions that he and his massive bag are the same as others is ridiculous period. Blame belongs primarily with him for being completely arrogant and stupid about his situation. He didn’t have to sign the massive extension but since he did, he should have understood what that meant. Wanting to screw the Blazers over as he leaves by demanding to be traded to a team without the assets to come close to compensating them is completely selfish.

STOMP
I'd be willing to bet Dame understands his own situation better than you do.
 
I'd be willing to bet Dame understands his own situation better than you do.

You would, but it's not nearly the given you make it out to be.

It's a rarity that people are able to be objective about their own lives and situations, and history and all of our friend circles are littered with examples of "Why the heck did they do that? It makes no sense."
 
I’m pretty sure the league having interviewed Dame and his agent over this have given Dame a wake up call as to understanding his situation. There's no doubt Dame has hurt his brand with the way he's handled his ring chase given the soapbox he's been preaching from for over a decade. Given how this reflects on his Blazer teammates and coaching staff, it's a clear message of, you're not good enough for me and that in fact is arrogance. Sad thing is I still don't think Dame wins a ring with Miami given the Nuggets, Bucks, Celtics and Suns will all be deeper than Miami after a Dame trade.
 
No sorry, there is not. Dame making tip top dollar and the face of the franchise is not at all in the same situation as other peripheral players traded from PDX. Making assumptions that he and his massive bag are the same as others is ridiculous period. Blame belongs primarily with him for being completely arrogant and stupid about his situation. He didn’t have to sign the massive extension but since he did, he should have understood what that meant. Wanting to screw the Blazers over as he leaves by demanding to be traded to a team without the assets to come close to compensating them is completely selfish.

STOMP

Hey I'm on your side. I'm just saying I see how someone else can see the other side.

By now most people should know I turned on dame lol
 
This is probably crap.


We dont even need it to be real. Just the appearance should be enough for Riley to put up a legit offer.

That's effectively what David Griffin said about the Davis trade. Just having Boston lurking as a possibility allowed them to extract a ton out of LA.
 
To entertain this rumor though.... "Darkhorse" intimates that it prolly isn't BK/NY/PHI.

I'm hoping its Toronto.

Chicago would be interesting. Another team that has vets and wants to win now. Not sure they're positioned to be a contender even with Dame but they pose some interesting multi team possibilities.

Milwaukee would be a true darkhorse in every sense. But they don't have anything tradeable of value.
 
Knowing Masai...... MAYBE one pick. MAYBE.
Toronto missed the playoffs last season. They aren't even mediocre.
Has the Raptor's roster improved from last season?

Indiana and Orlando should see some improvement from 2022-23 to 2023-24.
 
Toronto missed the playoffs last season. They aren't even mediocre.
Has the Raptor's roster improved from last season?

Indiana and Orlando should see some improvement from 2022-23 to 2023-24.

Dame/OG/Siakam is a pretty darn good trio. It's not Dame/Jimmy/Bam but overall they have a better roster than Miami. I think they could contend if they stay healthy.
 
Toronto still has the pieces to make a run with Dame.

The question is if you're okay with taking Barnes and GTJ and no picks because I don't think Masai would do Barnes AND picks.
Wouldnt have include GT.

Boucher, Barnes, Young, Porter jr. Dick, Achiuwa gets you there.

As the pieces you keep, Barnes/Precious/Dick combo is better than anything Miami gives us.
 
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