Dame asks for trade (And there it is) (2 Viewers)

[BankTeller]

you completely lost me about what you're saying here...sorry

first of all, where is Dame going? Miami or Brooklyn?

secondly...Miami can't trade their 2024 first, so it's off the table(unless they somehow get another 2024 first). And Miami can't trade their 2025 or 2026 or 2027 first's so those are off the table

and if Dame is going to Miami, what is the incentive for Brooklyn to trade three first round picks? Herro?

Herro + us taking the rest of the Simmons deal. Dame to Miami. It was part of an earlier post I had of a 3 team deal.

 

[Natebishop3]

At this point I doubt Cronin would care if the Nets wanted Simons or Herro as long as we get two firsts. They are on similarish contracts.

I think hero makes quite a bit more and he’s older.

 

[Strenuus]

Woah boy

 

[Pinwheel1]

At some point, we have to compromise with him for his loyalty. It all depends on what Herro would command on the market.

If we told Miami “look, give us Jovic, 3 unprotected 1sts, flip Oladipo to another team to get us another 1st, and find a team that will take Herro for bad contracts, expiring, and 3 1sts” and they complied, it’s going to be hard to say no.

Miami has a lot of work to do to get that to happen. But you are right, it is possible. I would be surprised though if Oladipo at this point got them a first.

 

[Natebishop3]

Woah boy

This was inevitable.

There was a subset of fans who thought Dame would never leave for any reason. So those fans are feeling hurt and betrayed.

 

[SlyPokerCat]

I think hero makes quite a bit more and he’s older.

Herro is a tad younger and makes a few million more per year. Meh. I'm happy keeping either one for next year and trying to move them again next year after they ball out for us this year.

 

[BlazerBeav]

Dame can cry about people turning on him all he wants - he ditched us, no way to spin it.

 

[Mr. Robot]

This was inevitable.

There was a subset of fans who thought Dame would never leave for any reason. So those fans are feeling hurt and betrayed.

if there is any backlash against dame, he brought it on himself by saying all those things over the years

now hes a hypocrite, it is what it is

 

[wizenheimer]

If we told Miami “look, give us Jovic, 3 unprotected 1sts,

they only have two: 2028 & 2030. Could swap 2029 but swaps are generally worthless

flip Oladipo to another team to get us another 1st,

where's Olshey when you need him....without him around I can't believe any team would give up a 1st for Dipo

and find a team that will take Herro for bad contracts, expirings, and 3 1sts” and they complied, it’s going to be hard to say no.

Herro may be worth a 1st to some team; he won't be worth 3 first's to anybody

but yeah, if Miami could come up with 7 first round picks, 3 or 4 unprotected, the Blazers would definitely take it

 

[Strenuus]

 

[Natebishop3]

Herro is a tad younger and makes a few million more per year. Meh. I'm happy keeping either one for next year and trying to move them again next year after they ball out for us this year.

Interesting I thought simons was slightly younger. Looks like Herro makes 6 million more in his final year.

 

[B-Roy]

Woah boy

Dame can cry about people turning on him all he wants - he ditched us, no way to spin it.

No he didn't. Plenty of people here argued that he would not ask out even if we decided to use the 3rd pick, even though Dame has said for months that going young was not his path, using some combination of backwards logic, semantic shifting, and hope based on previous comments. If you feel "deceived" it is on you, because Lillard has always been the type of person to say what he means and mean what he says.

I'm bummed about Lillard wanting out. I wish we would have taken a risk and kept him here, but it is what it is and nothing can change that. No matter how much disdain I have for Joe and Jody I will always be a fan of the TRAILBLAZERS before Damian Lillard. The only thing we should be worried about at this point is making sure we maximize the value we get for trading him.

 

[Natebishop3]

That’s because that was the most logical path.

 

[Mr. Robot]

Dame can cry about people turning on him all he wants - he ditched us, no way to spin it.

he shouldve kept his mouth shut and there would be no issue with his trade request

he was loud about loyalty, being against forming a superteams, mocking other players for doing so and now saying he wants to go to miami (sabotaging his team by doing so)

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

To me, this feels a bit like breaking up with a significant other.

My emotional swings -
What the fuck?
Are you sure you don't want to stay together?
Screw you.
Perhaps we should give it another try?
I'm better off without you anyway!
We could have made it work.
There's lots of other fish in the sea!

I'm now moving on to the reality that Dame really doesn't love me. Er, doesn't want to be a Blazer.

Ok. This is a bit like pre-draft excitement. Christmas eve. What new toys do we get to play with?

And you’re one of the good ones.

I mean that sincerely having met you.

 

[BlazerBeav]

The Miami request/demand is the part that should upset Blazer fans - that's putting pressure on the organization to take a bad deal to get him what he wants.

 

[B-Roy]

Also: I see people quoting articles or things Dame said years and years ago about how he would never leave.

He was in his 20s then, he's in his 30s now. People change, they are not characters in a movie. I'm sure most people go through a similar transformation throughout their life. Think of the type of person you were in your early 20s, late 20s, 30s, 40s, whatever. Are you the same?

We're all human beings, Dame included. He has a right to feel how he feels. I'll always love Dame and the memories he brought, but I completely understand his stance, and I respect it.

 

[Natebishop3]

Also: I see people quoting articles or things Dame said years and years ago about how he would never leave.

He was in his 20s then, he's in his 30s now. People change, they are not characters in a movie. I'm sure most people go through a similar transformation throughout their life. Think of the type of person you were in your early 20s, late 20s, 30s, 40s, whatever. Are you the same?

We're all human beings, Dame included. He has a right to feel how he feels. I'll always love Dame and the memories he brought, but I completely understand his stance, and I respect it.

Dude lost 8 people close to him in 18 months. That would fuck with anyone. I don’t care who you are.

 

[wizenheimer]

Herro + us taking the rest of the Simmons deal. Dame to Miami. It was part of an earlier post I had of a 3 team deal.

oh, OK...I see where you were coming from now

Miami doesn't have any first's till 2028 though

if the Blazers can somehow work it so they send out Dame + Nurkic and only take back Simmons + Jovic they'd create a 21M TPE; that could be handy.

 

[Strenuus]

Also: I see people quoting articles or things Dame said years and years ago about how he would never leave.

He was in his 20s then, he's in his 30s now. People change, they are not characters in a movie. I'm sure most people go through a similar transformation throughout their life. Think of the type of person you were in your early 20s, late 20s, 30s, 40s, whatever. Are you the same?

We're all human beings, Dame included. He has a right to feel how he feels. I'll always love Dame and the memories he brought, but I completely understand his stance, and I respect it.

That's exactly right. I'm not mad at him leaving, he has every right. I don't feel betrayed (look at the shit he endured professionally and personally), but I do take exception to the "only going to one team."

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

Also: I see people quoting articles or things Dame said years and years ago about how he would never leave.

He was in his 20s then, he's in his 30s now. People change, they are not characters in a movie. I'm sure most people go through a similar transformation throughout their life. Think of the type of person you were in your early 20s, late 20s, 30s, 40s, whatever. Are you the same?

We're all human beings, Dame included. He has a right to feel how he feels. I'll always love Dame and the memories he brought, but I completely understand his stance, and I respect it.

cool. Show me $45M/year and I walk in like who I have to blow?

 

[Natebishop3]

That's exactly right. I'm not mad at him leaving, he has every right. I don't feel betrayed (look at the shit he endured professionally and personally), but I do take exception to the "only going to one team."

To be clear I think we pushed him to this. I think there’s a good chance we did it deliberately. But he kinda backed himself into a corner with his comments about the pick.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

To be clear I think we pushed him to this. I think there’s a good chance we did it deliberately. But he kinda backed himself into a corner with his comments about the pick.

I agree with this. But still, brah. Ask for a trade quietly.

I do think Dame is more diva than has been let on. But that’s just hearing random shit from people near him so I don’t know. But it lines up with his actions over the years.

 

[andalusian]

Also: I see people quoting articles or things Dame said years and years ago about how he would never leave.

He was in his 20s then, he's in his 30s now. People change, they are not characters in a movie. I'm sure most people go through a similar transformation throughout their life. Think of the type of person you were in your early 20s, late 20s, 30s, 40s, whatever. Are you the same?

We're all human beings, Dame included. He has a right to feel how he feels. I'll always love Dame and the memories he brought, but I completely understand his stance, and I respect it.

I have no problem with that. I also have no problems with people that loved him turning on him once he changed. Life is change.

He has the right to change his mind. So can the fans. It's only fair. Let's remember that the "sacrifice" people talk about with basketball players is often quite a bit less than the sacrifice many fans do to support that team that pays the players salary. People are allowed to be disappointed that he changed his mind.

 

[Pinwheel1]

If the Nets can find a center to replace Claxton I don't know why they would turn down a Claxton, Clowney, Simmons trade. (and 2-3 first-round picks) They would have a very good 7-8 man rotation. So maybe leave them with some draft picks so they can trade for one

They would still have the following

Dame-Dinwiddie
Bridges-Dinwiddie
Cam Johnson
Finney -Smith, R. Oneal
? D-Sharpe

Rookie: Whitehead

 

[glazeduck]

If the Nets can find a center to replace Claxton I don't know why they would turn down a Claxton, Clowney, Simmons trade. (and 2-3 first-round picks) They would have a very good 7-8 man rotation. So maybe leave them with some draft picks so they can trade for one

They would still have the following

Dame-Dinwiddie
Bridges-Dinwiddie
Cam Johnson
Finney -Smith, R. Oneal
? D-Sharpe

Rookie: Whitehead

Someone pointed out that they have a TPE that fits Nurk's contract... Throw Whitehead in with that and call it a day.

 

[Tince]

This was inevitable.

There was a subset of fans who thought Dame would never leave for any reason. So those fans are feeling hurt and betrayed.

On my timeline, it's the fans the wanted him traded a month ago that are slinging mud.

Regardless, people throwing shade look silly to me.

 

[B-Roy]

That's exactly right. I'm not mad at him leaving, he has every right. I don't feel betrayed (look at the shit he endured professionally and personally), but I do take exception to the "only going to one team."

love dame, but

I literally don’t give a shit if he threatens to retire if he doesn’t end up on the heat. Ship him for the best deal, period.

 

[blazerfan11]

If the Nets can find a center to replace Claxton I don't know why they would turn down a Claxton, Clowney, Simmons trade. (and 2-3 first-round picks) They would have a very good 7-8 man rotation. So maybe leave them with some draft picks so they can trade for one

They would still have the following

Dame-Dinwiddie
Bridges-Dinwiddie
Cam Johnson
Finney -Smith, R. Oneal
? D-Sharpe

Rookie: Whitehead

Who's the star that the Blazers get back?

 

[Pinwheel1]

Someone pointed out that they have a TPE that fits Nurk's contract... Throw Whitehead in with that and call it a day.

I just saw that. (18 million from Durant) I would give them Nurk for free if they are giving us two young players plus 3 1sts.