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All this time we kept talking about the great and powerful Dame recruiting a star to the Blazers. But it was actually the opposite the entire time. Dame resisted for years, but finally caved.

And fuck Miami.
 
BBert said:
All this time we kept talking about the great and powerful Dame recruiting a star to the Blazers. But it was actually the opposite the entire time. Dame resisted for years, but finally caved.

And fuck Miami.
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He never recruited anyone.
 
ANALOGY BUT NO POLITICS ...

I'm not a huge Walton fan. I admired his basketball game. Loved how he overcame stuttering to ascend the heights of superlatives and verbosity.
But the 30 show recently rightly stated that he wasn't real popular at first with Portland fans for a variety of reasons. BUT when Walton physically went after a scrub center and for his actual play on the court, they got behind him. He showed up.
Luke and Dawkins. I remember all of that as a kid.

It's not that physical altercations are to be cheered in basketball ... not that they hardly ever are a quality throw down ... or cheering violence anywhere except in the ring ... BUT Joe would buy soooooo much credit if he just bucks up and does a decent to good trade of Dame ... and Nurkic.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Miami isn’t giving up enough. I’m not sure why Brooklyn would give up all those picks. Doesn’t make sense.
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I honestly think no matter what happens we are gonna end up with Ben Simmons, I just don’t see why Brooklyn would give up that much to get rid of a guy with only 2 years left on his contract. If we can get 1s for albatross contracts at this point though I’m in. Just imagine if he returned to form.
 
BLAZINGGIANTS said:
I’m sure we’ll find out and the truth will come to light. It doesn’t appear we were offered legit deals.
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It certainly seems that way. Whether that's because a lack of respect for Cronin among his colleagues, a deflated value of our trade pieces, a diminished desire of making moves due to the new cba, or some other more nefarious reasoning, is yet to be seen.
 
[Jackson] As @IanBegley noted&we've corroborated, Nets were contacted regarding Herro (& have interest) as part of a 3-team Heat/Blazers/Nets permutation to get Lillard to Miami. As @BobbyMarks42 noted, that would work with Simmons, 5 1sts to Blazers. But Portland obviously could seek more
 
perkinsfor3 said:
[Jackson] As @IanBegley noted&we've corroborated, Nets were contacted regarding Herro (& have interest) as part of a 3-team Heat/Blazers/Nets permutation to get Lillard to Miami. As @BobbyMarks42 noted, that would work with Simmons, 5 1sts to Blazers. But Portland obviously could seek more
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Yes, Marks thinks it will take a 3rd team as the Heat don't have the assets.

First 3:18 of the video.
 
Strenuus said:
How good is Jovic projected to be because fuck the rest of the worthless players. Also, will they suck in 2027 because that is the main cog. Otherwise this package sucks.
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No idea how good he could be, and it doesn’t really matter.

These would be available picks for us while Sharpe and Scoot are on their rookie deals:
- 2024 unprotected MIA
- 2024 POR
- 2025 unprotected PHX
- 2025 POR
- 2026 unprotected MIA
- 2026 POR

Then once they start their max extension, here are the available picks:
- 2027 unprotected PHI
- 2027 unprotected PHX
- 2027 POR
- 2028 unprotected MIA
- 2028 POR

At the very least, Jovic and Clowney are flyers that are both 6’10. Clowney could be a versatile defender who can play the 5 like Claxton—he hasn’t even played his first game yet.

Just having that many unprotected 1sts with an already established core of Shae and Scoot is a dream scenario. And we have ANOTHER guard we need to raise his value on before we trade by the deadline. The goal with Simons would be to get at least 2 1sts or one enticing young player and a 1st.

Let’s say by the 2024 lotto, we end up with our own lotto pick, the MIA 1st, and another 1st that conveys from a Simons deal. Plus Lowry’s contract expires.

Theoretically, we can be in a position where we can overpay someone next summer with a max 3 year deal like Siakam if we wanted. That’s a GREAT position to be in one year post-Dame. Almost as good as you can ask for imo. It’s a real debate whether or not the 6 1sts are an overpay. Nets might not be willing to even give up that many.
 
perkinsfor3 said:
[Jackson] As @IanBegley noted&we've corroborated, Nets were contacted regarding Herro (& have interest) as part of a 3-team Heat/Blazers/Nets permutation to get Lillard to Miami. As @BobbyMarks42 noted, that would work with Simmons, 5 1sts to Blazers. But Portland obviously could seek more
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I actually like the idea of experimenting with Simmons. If it doesn't work out, it doesn't really hurt the team because he only has 2 more years left. But Simmons could play forward for us, which would help with our size/rebounding issues (and he's an all-nba defender). Portland would be a low-pressure situation for him because we're not expected to win and he'd be out of the spotlight.

Simmons, Scoot, Sharpe,Grant, Nurk...could be a fun team.
 
BankTeller said:
No idea how good he could be, and it doesn’t really matter.

These would be available picks for us while Sharpe and Scoot are on their rookie deals:
- 2024 unprotected MIA
- 2024 POR
- 2025 unprotected PHX
- 2025 POR
- 2026 unprotected MIA
- 2026 POR

Then once they start their max extension, here are the available picks:
- 2027 unprotected PHI
- 2027 unprotected PHX
- 2027 POR
- 2028 unprotected MIA
- 2028 POR

At the very least, Jovic and Clowney are flyers that are both 6’10. Clowney could be a versatile defender who can play the 5 like Claxton—he hasn’t even played his first game yet.

Just having that many unprotected 1sts with an already established core of Shae and Scoot is a dream scenario. And we have ANOTHER guard we need to raise his value on before we trade by the deadline. The goal with Simons would be to get at least 2 1sts or one enticing young player and a 1st.

Let’s say by the 2024 lotto, we end up with our own lotto pick, the MIA 1st, and another 1st that conveys from a Simons deal. Plus Lowry’s contract expires.

Theoretically, we can be in a position where we can overpay someone next summer with a max 3 year deal like Siakam if we wanted. That’s a GREAT position to be in one year post-Dame. Almost as good as you can ask for imo. It’s a real debate whether or not the 6 1sts are an overpay. Nets might not be willing to even give up that many.
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Would be a good haul
 
As has been said approximately 100 times in this thread, Miami has NOTHING to offer in a Dame trade without giving up one of the two stars Dame specifically wants to go there to play with.

That's what is fucked up about this whole drama. If Dame gets his way, he is going to fuck Blazers fans hard on his way out the door. As for me, that's going to erase a good amount of a decade's worth of good will and respect.
 
BBert said:
As has been said approximately 100 times in this thread, Miami has NOTHING to offer in a Dame trade without giving up one of the two stars Dame specifically wants to go there to play with.

That's what is fucked up about this whole drama. If Dame gets his way, he is going to fuck Blazers fans hard on his way out the door. As for me, that's going to erase a good amount of a decade's worth of good will and respect.
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Correct. And I don't see how involving a third team does any good, since Miami doesn't have the assets to give to that third team either.
 
To me, this feels a bit like breaking up with a significant other.

My emotional swings -
What the fuck?
Are you sure you don't want to stay together?
Screw you.
Perhaps we should give it another try?
I'm better off without you anyway!
We could have made it work.
There's lots of other fish in the sea!

I'm now moving on to the reality that Dame really doesn't love me. Er, doesn't want to be a Blazer.

Ok. This is a bit like pre-draft excitement. Christmas eve. What new toys do we get to play with?
 
BankTeller said:
No idea how good he could be, and it doesn’t really matter.

These would be available picks for us while Sharpe and Scoot are on their rookie deals:
- 2024 unprotected MIA
- 2024 POR
- 2025 unprotected PHX
- 2025 POR
- 2026 unprotected MIA
- 2026 POR

Then once they start their max extension, here are the available picks:
- 2027 unprotected PHI
- 2027 unprotected PHX
- 2027 POR
- 2028 unprotected MIA
- 2028 POR

At the very least, Jovic and Clowney are flyers that are both 6’10. Clowney could be a versatile defender who can play the 5 like Claxton—he hasn’t even played his first game yet.

Just having that many unprotected 1sts with an already established core of Shae and Scoot is a dream scenario. And we have ANOTHER guard we need to raise his value on before we trade by the deadline. The goal with Simons would be to get at least 2 1sts or one enticing young player and a 1st.

Let’s say by the 2024 lotto, we end up with our own lotto pick, the MIA 1st, and another 1st that conveys from a Simons deal. Plus Lowry’s contract expires.

Theoretically, we can be in a position where we can overpay someone next summer with a max 3 year deal like Siakam if we wanted. That’s a GREAT position to be in one year post-Dame. Almost as good as you can ask for imo. It’s a real debate whether or not the 6 1sts are an overpay. Nets might not be willing to even give up that many.
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you completely lost me about what you're saying here...sorry

first of all, where is Dame going? Miami or Brooklyn?

secondly...Miami can't trade their 2024 first, so it's off the table(unless they somehow get another 2024 first). And Miami can't trade their 2025 or 2026 or 2027 first's so those are off the table

and if Dame is going to Miami, what is the incentive for Brooklyn to trade three first round picks? Herro?
 
BankTeller said:
No idea how good he could be, and it doesn’t really matter.

These would be available picks for us while Sharpe and Scoot are on their rookie deals:
- 2024 unprotected MIA
- 2024 POR
- 2025 unprotected PHX
- 2025 POR
- 2026 unprotected MIA
- 2026 POR

Then once they start their max extension, here are the available picks:
- 2027 unprotected PHI
- 2027 unprotected PHX
- 2027 POR
- 2028 unprotected MIA
- 2028 POR

At the very least, Jovic and Clowney are flyers that are both 6’10. Clowney could be a versatile defender who can play the 5 like Claxton—he hasn’t even played his first game yet.

Just having that many unprotected 1sts with an already established core of Shae and Scoot is a dream scenario. And we have ANOTHER guard we need to raise his value on before we trade by the deadline. The goal with Simons would be to get at least 2 1sts or one enticing young player and a 1st.

Let’s say by the 2024 lotto, we end up with our own lotto pick, the MIA 1st, and another 1st that conveys from a Simons deal. Plus Lowry’s contract expires.

Theoretically, we can be in a position where we can overpay someone next summer with a max 3 year deal like Siakam if we wanted. That’s a GREAT position to be in one year post-Dame. Almost as good as you can ask for imo. It’s a real debate whether or not the 6 1sts are an overpay. Nets might not be willing to even give up that many.
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Someone else mentioned it but they (Brooklyn) would be giving up 2 1st rounders for Herro and that'd be dumb on their part. But I appreciate the post, informative.
 
wizenheimer said:
you completely lost me about what you're saying here...sorry

first of all, where is Dame going? Miami or Brooklyn?

secondly...Miami can't trade their 2024 first, so it's off the table(unless they somehow get another 2024 first). And Miami can't trade their 2025 or 2026 or 2027 first's so those are off the table

and if Dame is going to Miami, what is the incentive for Brooklyn to trade three first round picks? Herro?
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It was in response to the hypothetical trade someone posted in here.
 
BBert said:
As has been said approximately 100 times in this thread, Miami has NOTHING to offer in a Dame trade without giving up one of the two stars Dame specifically wants to go there to play with.

That's what is fucked up about this whole drama. If Dame gets his way, he is going to fuck Blazers fans hard on his way out the door. As for me, that's going to erase a good amount of a decade's worth of good will and respect.
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At some point, we have to compromise with him for his loyalty. It all depends on what Herro would command on the market.

If we told Miami “look, give us Jovic, 3 unprotected 1sts, flip Oladipo to another team to get us another 1st, and find a team that will take Herro for bad contracts, expirings, and 3 1sts” and they complied, it’s going to be hard to say no.
 
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