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BBert said:
You take Simmons if they include a sweetener, like a draft pick, to take him. I certainly wouldn't then pay another team to take him from us.
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I just don't think the Nets look at it this way. If I were the Nets I would be thinking we are already taking on Herro's bad contract why do we have to sweeten it by paying to get rid of Simmons's bad contract? One could argue Simmons is better than Herro.
 
andalusian said:
I imagine it will be a part of the Miami package, so that will include the 2 far out picks and a pick swap from them in addition to the pick(s) and Simmons from the Nets.
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I hear you, and I may have to deal with it. We'll see.

But, Imagine we call up the Bucks: "Hey, give us GA, and we'll give you '2 far out picks and a pick swap'. Don't hang up, don't hang up. If you take a guy who might not every play for 2 years and $80 mil, we'll throw in 2 more picks!" What would they say?

Substitute Bucks and GA with any top 11 scorer in the league.
 
TheGoldRanger said:
I can’t wait for this to all be over… I hope Scoot torches Lillard on whatever team he’s on.
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I really hope the first time we play Dame its in Portland. Regardless of how this all plays out, Dame deserves love from the fans and a chance to say goodbye. And Scoot deserves to absolutely take him to the woodshed. I'm sure Dame will want to drop 50 on us as well, but damn that's going to be a fun matchup to watch.
 
TBpup said:
If Dame effectively turned down a good return for Portland to a team where him going there would make them good have have a chance to compete (as he said over and over and most recently) so he could go be part of a SuperTeam with Bam/Butler/Dame when he also said he would not do that, then that would be akin to personal suicide as well.

It sucks that it has all come to this.
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1000%. It'd take me a long time to forgive him for that. I just have to believe he has a longer list.
 
Wizard Mentor said:
I hear you, and I may have to deal with it. We'll see.

But, Imagine we call up the Bucks: "Hey, give us GA, and we'll give you '2 far out picks and a pick swap'. Don't hang up, don't hang up. If you take a guy who might not every play for 2 years and $80 mil, we'll throw in 2 more picks!" What would they say?

Substitute Bucks and GA with any top 11 scorer in the league.
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The difference is GA did not say he wants out. I imagine that if GA tells the Bucks he wants out - and they decide to go through a youth movement, that's exactly what they would do as well.
 
glazeduck said:
I really hope the first time we play Dame its in Portland. Regardless of how this all plays out, Dame deserves love from the fans and a chance to say goodbye. And Scoot deserves to absolutely take him to the woodshed. I'm sure Dame will want to drop 50 on us as well, but damn that's going to be a fun matchup to watch.
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That first game, Dame is going to torch us. One of the safest bets you could ever make.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
I just don't think the Nets look at it this way. If I were the Nets I would be thinking we are already taking on Herro's bad contract why do we have to sweeten it by paying to get rid of Simmons's bad contract? One could argue Simmons is better than Herro.
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Then you don't take Simmons? The entire point of this discussion is:
1. Who can Miami find that will provide value for Herro. If you don't think that's BKN, that's fine, but that's not really what we're talking about.
2. That being the case, the discussion is then, "will BKN be willing to pay to get rid of Simmons". Again, if you don't think they will, you're entitled to that opinion, but that's not really the conversation.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Don't post these clickbait youtube videos. They're all over Youtube where they have some bullshit headline like "BREAKING DAME TRADED TO THE LAKERS" and they link some video from ESPN that has nothing at all about that. They're meant to get people to click on them so they can get revenue.
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I've said before that BGD is like a stable worker who mucks out all the horseshit on the floorboards of twitter & youtube and dumps the wheelbarrows of horseshit here. He doesn't use a filter. It bugs me a little bit but not enough to worry about it much

it's just pollution though
 
Hey guys, I'm gonna need you to stop making the Ben Simmons to Portland thing make sense okay? I need to keep up my appearance of absolute disdain of him coming here. Thank you for your consideration
 
Strenuus said:
That first game, Dame is going to torch us. One of the safest bets you could ever make.
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Oh I'm sure that game will be circled on his calendar in blood haha. I hope Scoot goes right back at him though. Feels like a superhero origin story.
 
glazeduck said:
Man you seem to be really hung up on this one nuancical detail of a currently make-believe trade...
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yeah...and it's embarrassing for me being the only poster here talking about make-believe trades
 
wizenheimer said:
ok...by the way, what the rest of you have been saying is what I've been saying

the only difference is I've been saying OKC has to cooperate with the fantasy. My hunch is that they'd prefer that unprotected 2026 pick over the lottery protected 2025, so it might be easier to gain their cooperation on releasing 2025. OKC won't just say "sure, we like you guys so we give it back, good luck with Dame". They'll use their leverage and force Miami to pay something; a 2nd round pick, maybe two of them. Of course, that's complicated because they owe all their 2nd round picks thru 2030 after the Oladipo trade

so, we've gone thru all this so the Blazers can get Miami's 2024 first, which will probably be in the 25-30 range in what seems to be, according to analysts, a weak draft. It squeezes Miami, which is what we want, but in the scheme of a Dame trade it's not a significant consideration

I suppose, if Miami offered their 2025 unprotected, getting back their 2026, OKC might accept that. I doubt it because they'd probably want to bet on Dame/Butler being more diminished in 2026 than 2025, but who knows. That would move their available 1st's ahead one year allowing the Blazers to get Miami's 2027 & 2029 picks. And it would also allow Portland to get swaps in 2026, 2028, & 2030. Of course, the monkey wrench there is Olshey's stupid fucking deal with Chicago and the Bulls holding the 2026 & 2028 swaps hostage. Blazers would probably have to un-protect or top-4 protect their 2025 first to convince the Bulls to release 2026-2028. And that's only 2 years away; it would be a really stupid and risky move just to gain some swaps
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The Heat got a 2nd round pick back as part of the Max Strus deal. They can offer to flip that to OKC and make the 1st unprotected in 2026 as their offer.



Again. A 1st is a 1st. An asset to potentially move or draft. Squeeze it out of them.
 
andalusian said:
The difference is GA did not say he wants out. I imagine that if GA tells the Bucks he wants out - and they decide to go through a youth movement, that's exactly what they would do as well.
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You're right, but it feels like we should get something in the same ballpark, and we're not going to. I'll probably just have to deal with it.
 
Strenuus said:
Hey guys, I'm gonna need you to stop making the Ben Simmons to Portland thing make sense okay? I need to keep up my appearance of absolute disdain of him coming here. Thank you for your consideration
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Sorry, no can do. Need to keep your head on a swivel, biases in check and mind flexible in this shitstorm...
 
glazeduck said:
Oh I'm sure that game will be circled on his calendar in blood haha. I hope Scoot goes right back at him though. Feels like a superhero origin story.
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What would scoots motivation be? We know what motivation we want from him because of all of this, but other than him being a fiery competitor, I just don't know. I'd love to be proven wrong and he goes scorched earth and they each go for 50. Lol
 
LayneStaley said:
If this is true it makes his departure much easier for me. I still think with a 3rd team we can make a very acceptable trade with Dame going to Mia.
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It has to be a 3rd team. Fuck over as many teams as possible.
 
Strenuus said:
What would scoots motivation be? We know what motivation we want from him because of all of this, but other than him being a fiery competitor, I just don't know. I'd love to be proven wrong and he goes scorched earth and they each go for 50. Lol
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Purely speculating, but how does he not feel a little insulted by Dame's actions immediately after us drafting him? He looks up to Dame, he tried to recruit Dame, he wanted to learn from Dame, he felt like he could win with Dame. And Dame's actions basically said "fuck off, kid". Knowing how competitive Scoot is, I could see him taking all of this really personally. I could see him wanting to prove a point that Dame's missing out...

It's kind of like when you dump a GF and she goes and gets all hot again to show you what you're missing...
 
SlyPokerCat said:
The Heat got a 2nd round pick back as part of the Max Strus deal. They can offer to flip that to OKC and make the 1st unprotected in 2026 as their offer.



Again. A 1st is a 1st. An asset to potentially move or draft. Squeeze it out of them.
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Why do the spurs get so much? I'm missing what they facilitated.
 
glazeduck said:
Then you don't take Simmons? The entire point of this discussion is:
1. Who can Miami find that will provide value for Herro. If you don't think that's BKN, that's fine, but that's not really what we're talking about.
2. That being the case, the discussion is then, "will BKN be willing to pay to get rid of Simmons". Again, if you don't think they will, you're entitled to that opinion, but that's not really the conversation.
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I am happy with Simmons, Jovic, and Jaquez plus a couple of 1sts.
I am just not expecting any of the picks to come from the Nets if Simmons is involved. Maybe if Herro is traded to the Nets for something else, but not for Simmons. Isn't that the conversation?
 
wizenheimer said:
yeah...and it's embarrassing for me being the only poster here talking about make-believe trades
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Not remotely my point, that's what this place is for. Just seems like you're letting that one detail irritate you a lot. Most of us don't know every detail of the CBA but very clearly the tenor of the conversation has been "take MIA for all they're worth". We can leave the nuances of who owes what picks to the professionals. I don't think anyone including that pick that Miami may or may not be able to offer changes anything about the overall conversation...
 
I'm getting annoyed by the hour that he's not come out and debunked this Miami is the only place Im going to.

He's not doing us any solids and it's really starting to get to me.
 
I don't give a fuck anymore if Miami is his 'preferred' destination. Joe needs to hang in there, and not let us get ripped off. They are not gonna part with Butler and/or Adebayo, and I don't see any other package that will benefit both sides. Herro and Robinson plus picks is not enough, hell even putting Martin in that is not enough imo.
 
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