Dame asks for trade (And there it is)

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AmirIcon said:
Everyone is saying there's a deal with Miami. Just need to wait on Jaques and Herro I believe.
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the reason I believe the “gotta wait to be able to trade Herro” stuff is net zero information is bd side Dame can’t be traded until after Herro is available so like, who cares if Herro can or not? That deadline didn’t matter on Dame’s end obviously so why would it matter on Miami’s? I think rumors around that hurdle are speculation at best.
 
I think there's the other thing the Miami media and national media don't want to put into the narrative but more pundits are starting to pick up on: Dame isn't going to refuse to show up to play for a contending team. Honestly, I don't think he'd refuse to show up and play for any team, but a team that could win it or get to the conference finals with him? He might not be the "built different" guy we were sold the past decade, but he's still a professional and he's still smart. If he gets traded to the Pelicans or Celtics, refusing to play because he only wanted to play for the Heat is PR suicide among other things.

He might be miffed at the Blazers, but why should anyone with the Blazers care? He's not going to be playing in Portland. The Blazers don't owe him anything. There aren't any consequences for the Blazers doing what's best for him, contrary to what the chicken littles say. His new team is the one that owes it to him to get a deal done.
 
AmirIcon said:
The only obligation we have is to send him to a winner. Boston has at least equal chance to win, if not better. And they can offer a better package to a third team which means we'd be getting way better prospects.

But as usual, Joe doesn't care and will let the player dictate the destination. Even if we get 25 cents on the dollar.
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Where is it written and signed we have to send him to a winner?
 
AmirIcon said:
In our hearts.
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Nope.

Blazers organization owe Dame nothing. If fans want to be fans of his wherever he plays next, that's up to them, but we really don't owe him anything either, especially after this stunt and attempted power play. If the Wizards had the best assets to trade for him, I'd send him there and wouldn't bat an eyelash.
 
PCmor7 said:
Nope.

Blazers organization owe Dame nothing. If fans want to be fans of his wherever he plays next, that's up to them, but we really don't owe him anything either, especially after this stunt and attempted power play. If the Wizards had the best assets to trade for him, I'd send him there and wouldn't bat an eyelash.
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I agree, broham but you're kidding yourself if you think sell-low Joe is sending him anywhere but Miami.
 
AmirIcon said:
The only obligation we have is to send him to a winner. Boston has at least equal chance to win, if not better. And they can offer a better package to a third team which means we'd be getting way better prospects.

But as usual, Joe doesn't care and will let the player dictate the destination. Even if we get 25 cents on the dollar.
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The Blazers have no obligation to send him to a winner. He asked for a trade. Gave preferred destinations. The Blazers will look to trade him. That is their only obligation. He is under contract with the Blazers. The Blazers will decide where he goes. They have to do what is best for the team at this point, not Dame. This is not a charity. This is a business. The Blazers cannot be in the business of giving away players just to appease them a final time.
 
Chris Craig said:
The Blazers have no obligation to send him to a winner. He asked for a trade. Gave preferred destinations. The Blazers will look to trade him. That is their only obligation. He is under contract with the Blazers. The Blazers will decide where he goes. They have to do what is best for the team at this point, not Dame. This is not a charity. This is a business. The Blazers cannot be in the business of giving away players just to appease them a final time.
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I feel you. But it ain't happening with Joe manning the wheel.
 
Even if he ends up in Miami, if it’s like a four team trade you’ve moved beyond one team fleecing another into that “let’s make a deal” area where the winner and losers won’t be so clear cut.
 
I wish someone would ask Dame why he's so fixated on joining a team that barely survived the play-in tournament and lost Vincent and Strus this summer.

Ok, they had a good run, but it doesn't ACTUALLY look that good on paper.
 
Chris Craig said:
Joe will likely send him there, but the Blazers don't owe him that.
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We didn't have the obligation to send Norm to LA or CJ to New Orleans but we did anyways. And we took back a shit package to accommodate.

We should be sending him to Boston. Would be best for all parties involved.
 
Everything Beagle said:
Even if he ends up in Miami, if it’s like a four team trade you’ve moved beyond one team fleecing another into that “let’s make a deal” area where the winner and losers won’t be so clear cut.
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The Blazers will be the losers in that equation, the media will make sure of it.
 
AmirIcon said:
I agree, broham but you're kidding yourself if you think sell-low Joe is sending him anywhere but Miami.
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Probably. But we'll see. I think the odds are the Heat will cave because they've put themselves in a position where they need to get this done now. They're stuck in a holding pattern while the complementary pieces they need are signing with other teams. If the Blazers can get what they want/need by sending Dame to Miami, then they win both in the trade and in the PR battle. I think it's being pretty effectively put out there now, though, that the Blazers don't owe Dame a ticket to Miami, and, ironically, Dame might have been the Blazers' best advocate in making that happen.
 
Blazers Roy said:
I wish someone would ask Dame why he's so fixated on joining a team that barely survived the play-in tournament and lost Vincent and Strus this summer.

Ok, they had a good run, but it doesn't ACTUALLY look that good on paper.
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He wants to be like Bron
 
Chris Craig said:
The Blazers will be the losers in that equation, the media will make sure of it.
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We’re playing a different game than the media. They’ve been trying to get Dame out of Portland for years so *any* team who gets him will be their big winner. We can be the weirdos up north with all the picks. I don’t need the media to call me a winner to feel good.
 
I get the bargaining part of the grieving process, but running down Dame's game and his impact on this team is silly. "No D, hasn't won anything, etc." Jeez.

We're going to be absolutely gutted on the floor and off. Dame still has years of his prime, and probably longer since we've sat him so much to tank these past few years. He's going to be massively successful and venerated wherever he goes. Portland's going to get trashed in the media and our young players are going to struggle. It's going to suck for us.

That being said, it's inevitable and we're going to have to deal with it. Just stop with the Dame's game is trash nonsense. It just looks pathetic. Acknowledge the blow it's going to be and deal with it.
 
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AmirIcon said:
We didn't have the obligation to send Norm to LA or CJ to New Orleans but we did anyways. And we took back a shit package to accommodate.

We should be sending him to Boston. Would be best for all parties involved.
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The package for CJ wasn’t that bad. We got Hart and the pieces we needed to go get Grant.

The Norm trade sucked.

The GP2 signing sucked but at least we got out of it.
 
I'm not a Cowherd fan, but just more food for thought.

 
AmirIcon said:
We didn't have the obligation to send Norm to LA or CJ to New Orleans but we did anyways. And we took back a shit package to accommodate.

We should be sending him to Boston. Would be best for all parties involved.
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Joe has been the patron of giving away players yes. But, I really think he's trying to hold out on this one and get the best offer. Even he knows he can't screw the pooch on this one.
 
maxiep said:
He's going to be massively successful and venerated wherever he goes. Portland's going to get trashed in the media. It's going to suck for us.
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Who gives a fuck about the media? They always looked at us like we were pathetic. Anyone paying attention to us was only paying attention to Dame anyway.
 
Natebishop3 said:
The package for CJ wasn’t that bad. We got Hart and the pieces we needed to go get Grant.

The Norm trade sucked.

The GP2 signing sucked but at least we got out of it.
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The CJ trade only turned out okay because Dame tee'd up Grant. It was an awful deal when it happened back then. It turned out good though.
 
Chris Craig said:
Joe has been the patron of giving away players yes. But, I really think he's trying to hold out on this one and get the best offer. Even he knows he can't screw the pooch on this one.
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He's out of work if he screws this up.
 
Chris Craig said:
Joe has been the patron of giving away players yes. But, I really think he's trying to hold out on this one and get the best offer. Even he knows he can't screw the pooch on this one.
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He also didn't cave and sell our picks for low value. So there is history of a discerning eye as well. People ignore that and tend to focus solely on the trades that were made, whilst ignoring the trades that were NOT made.
 
Chris Craig said:
Joe has been the patron of giving away players yes. But, I really think he's trying to hold out on this one and get the best offer. Even he knows he can't screw the pooch on this one.
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There's not much to hold out for with Miami. We're getting back role players and late 1st round talent. I'm sure they'll be good but I'd much rather be looking at a lotto team for bringing back talent.
 
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