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Rastapopoulos said:
I just checked Milwaukee's roster and they've got fewer tradeable assets than Miami. Bobby Portis (who turns 29 during next season) is about it, unless you want Grayson "even more punchable than Herro" Allen.
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I've been thinking of Herro as a richer man's Grayson Allen. And he looks a lot less like Ted Cruz. Not sure if those two facts are related.
 
maxiep said:
I get bargaining, but running down Dame's game and his impact on this team is silly. "No D, hasn't won anything, etc." Jeez.

We're going to be absolutely gutted on the floor and off. Dame still has years of his prime, and probably longer since we've sat him so much. He's going to be massively successful and venerated wherever he goes. Portland's going to get trashed in the media. It's going to suck for us.

That being said, it's inevitable and we're going to have to deal with it. Just stop with the Dame's game is trash nonsense. It just looks pathetic.
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I have maintained and I still will, that I think Dame was out best shot at a championship. But, that ship has sailed. A lot of people are upset, and yes pointing out his flaws.

He is probably going to win championships while the Blazers get laughed at by the media. The articles and talk will go from the Blazers owe Dame to trade him to a contender/Miami to I can't believe the Blazers gave up on him and traded him.

I really hope for the most part, the media can just follow him to whereever he goes, and leave us to rebuild in peace and quiet. I know that's not happening but hey.
 
Chris Craig said:
I have maintained and I still will, that I think Dame was out best shot at a championship. But, that ship has sailed. A lot of people are upset, and yes pointing out his flaws.

He is probably going to win championships while the Blazers gets laughed at by the media. The articles and talk will go from the Blazers owe Dame to trade him to a contender/Miami to I can't believe the Blazers gave up on him and traded him.

I really hope for the most part, the media can just follow him to whereever he goes, and leave us to rebuild in peace and quiet. I know that's not happening but hey.
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Breathe, Chris. Take a breath. Dame winning a championship, to me, still is far from a fait accompli as long as Jokic is in Denver, the Lakers are putting together a roster with some thought in LA, the Celtics still have their core, Giannis is in his prime, the Suns have a stacked starting five and Steph and Klay are playing for Kerr in GS. Even if Dame goes to the Heat, I still don't think they're even the clear favorite in the east.
 
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The Blazers aren't going to win a championship anytime soon, but I don't think Lillard's in super shape, either. The thing is, while all these teams contending now are aging out of contention, the Blazers' nucleus should be hitting its prime. We should be in good position to move into contention when there's a void at the top.
 
PCmor7 said:
Breathe, Chris. Take a breath. Dame winning a championship, to me, still is far from a fait accompli as long as Jokic is in Denver, the Lakers are putting together a roster with some thought in LA, the Celtics still have their core, Giannis is in his prime, the Suns have a stacking starting five and Steph and Klay are playing for Kerr in GS. Even if Dame goes to the Heat, I still don't think they're even the clear favorite in the east.
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Oh, I'm breathing. I'm over it now. Ready for the drama to be over and the next era to begin.

I'm just saying the media is going to spin it.
 
PCmor7 said:
Breathe, Chris. Take a breath. Dame winning a championship, to me, still is far from a fait accompli as long as Jokic is in Denver, the Lakers are putting together a roster with some thought in LA, the Celtics still have their core, Giannis is in his prime, the Suns have a stacking starting five and Steph and Klay are playing for Kerr in GS. Even if Dame goes to the Heat, I still don't think they're even the clear favorite in the east.
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Totally agree, if Dame goes to Miami they will be amongst a host of contenders, absolutely not a clear favorite IMO
 
Chris Craig said:
I don't know about that, but his legacy will be that he waltzed into Portland and gave away the whole team.
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You sound like me when I was younger, where I'd get into a funk and my anxiety and stuff would have me expecting everything to fail, even stuff that couldn't.

Just let things play out, Chris. This book isn't even close to being finished yet. Don't despair.
 
maxiep said:
I get the bargaining part of the grieving process, but running down Dame's game and his impact on this team is silly. "No D, hasn't won anything, etc." Jeez.

We're going to be absolutely gutted on the floor and off. Dame still has years of his prime, and probably longer since we've sat him so much to tank these past few years. He's going to be massively successful and venerated wherever he goes. Portland's going to get trashed in the media and our young players are going to struggle. It's going to suck for us.

That being said, it's inevitable and we're going to have to deal with it. Just stop with the Dame's game is trash nonsense. It just looks pathetic. Acknowledge the blow it's going to be and deal with it.
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Concur with all of this. It's not an exact match, but the OKC post-KD and then post -PG is kind of an analogue, and you could make the logical leap (I'm not) that we're ahead because we have both Scoot and Sharpe (instead of just 2019-20 SGA). Stay the course--acknowledge that those players were good as hell, trade for an absolute Brink's Truck coming back, stay quiet and out of the spotlight for a year or two and then be the "holy cow! They're a fast-rising young team and they have a ton of draft capital going forward? Watch out for the Blazers!"
 
PCmor7 said:
You sound like me when I was younger, where I'd get into a funk and my anxiety and stuff would have me expecting everything to fail, even stuff that couldn't.

Just let things play out, Chris. This book isn't even close to being finished yet. Don't despair.
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Mostly passed the funk and despair. In acceptance of this new era. Just waiting for the trade to go through so we can move on.

I'm letting it play out. Cronin could be the guy who tears it all down, only to rebuild it right. We'll see. I never close a book in the middle of the story. Gotta see what happens in the next chapter.
 
Chris Craig said:
Oh, I'm breathing. I'm over it now. Ready for the drama to be over and the next era to begin.

I'm just saying the media is going to spin it.
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As a member of the media, I can say that their spin only affects us if we allow it to. Even just as individuals, haters will spin narratives about you out of spite, jealousy or their own bitterness. You can give in and react to that, or you can refuse to be distracted, stay on your course and continue to grind.
 
Natebishop3 said:
But that’s part of why we did the CJ deal. It wasn’t a coincidence that we got just the right size TPE and a pick to trade Detroit
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I think Cronin would have given CJ away regardless. He was in cost-cutting mode with little effort to recoup assets.
 
All I ask in this ordeal is that we hold out against the intense pressure to make a deal that doesn't net us back a substantial return. This is it. After trading Dame, we have few assets remaining. If we don't get a haul for Dame, the rebuild may not happen even in the Scoot/Sharpe window. That's what's scary to me.
 
AmirIcon said:
The only obligation we have is to send him to a winner. Boston has at least equal chance to win, if not better. And they can offer a better package to a third team which means we'd be getting way better prospects.

But as usual, Joe doesn't care and will let the player dictate the destination. Even if we get 25 cents on the dollar.
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No. Dude signed a massive fucking contract to play basketball for the Blazers. The only obligation we have to is do what’s best for the team.
 
AmirIcon said:
That won't happen. Joe sending him to Miami.
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Agreed that Joe is a ball-less hack who is going to cave and settle for pennies on the dollar, which means Dame is most likely going to get his wish of Miami.

But that doesn’t change my stance that we owe Dame nothing other than the financial obligations of his contract while he is a Blazer.
 
Blazers Roy said:
Gordon Hayward dude.

There are 30 teams in the league, 32 after a possible expansion. Someone will pick him up.
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I don't understand what you're saying about Hayward.
2016-17: all star with Utah
2017: signed with Boston as a free agent, broke tibia
2020: traded to Charlotte as a sign and trade... 4 years, $120m

Charlotte hasn't been able to move off of his contract... which is exactly the point I was making about Zion if he got hurt again as a Blazer in the middle of his big deal... and that's with Hayward playing about 50 games a year, which is far more than Zion in my worst-case hypothetical.
 
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BLAZINGGIANTS said:
Agreed that Joe is a ball-less hack who is going to cave and settle for pennies on the dollar, which means Dame is most likely going to get his wish of Miami.

But that doesn’t change my stance that we owe Dame nothing other than the financial obligations of his contract while he is a Blazer.
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The "ball-less hack" that refused to trade the 3rd pick , the 23rd pick, or the 43rd pick?
 
KeepOnRollin said:
Please don't implode when we don't get 5 first round picks.
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yeah, after all of the chatter about 4-6 unprotected picks and 2-3 swaps, I'm depressingly expecting 2, possibly 3 protected picks and maybe a swap, and maybe one young prospect who might not be much of a prospect

I don't know why it depresses me because I predicted that kind of return months ago. Maybe I'm self-protecting by setting expectations low, so getting more than that will be a pleasant surprise
 
blazerfan11 said:
The "ball-less hack" that refused to trade the 3rd pick , the 23rd pick, or the 43rd pick?
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You’ve outed yourself, Joe.

Come on, brah. His moves have been shit. Pretty much all of them. He’s come up with pennies on the dollar on pretty much every move.
 
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