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End of a era. We had to move on from Dame. Just please not the heat. I hate their fans with a passion. Joe and oshley couldn't couldn't get the man any help.
 
I'm as big of a fan of Dame as they come. And this is hitting hard.

But if it's true that Dame is pushing for Miami, it's hard to take his previous statements about not wanting to go the easy route really lose a lot of credibility.

Joining the eastern conference champs that fell short of a ring isn't exactly grind... No matter how you slice it.

Maybe Dame has issues with one or more people in the Blazers organization.

Maybe he wants the tax break.

Maybe he decided after all these years that a ring is necessary for him to feel accomplished.

Maybe Cronin told him we're not going to build around him ever.

Maybe he was pissed at being forced to sit the last month of a career year.

I don't think we'll ever know. But wanting to go to Miami really sours an already crappy situation. I really believed his dedication was to the city and the franchise up until this year. Hard to see it that way right now. He gave us a ton, and I've enjoyed the hell out of Dame as a Blazer. I wish it wasn't coming to an end. But I don't really see the loyalty to the franchise/fans.

Ultimately, he wants the ring. Fair enough.
 
Problem is, Dame made his whole league persona about loyalty and not running from the grind - and now he's doing just that.
And he was loyal, he was loyal when everyone was telling him he should leave. He was loyal for 11 seasons. If you go back and watch the interview on Showtime that he did when he said he wanted to have veterans around him to help win now and not youth, he said something else that was really important. Dame said that he wasn't stupid, implying that if he asked for this and it wasn't done that it would make him look stupid.

That's the point it had gotten to, he'd listened to management tell him what he wanted to hear and do something else so many times that it had gotten to the point where they were making him feel stupid. So I guess do you think it's fair to hold him to this ridiculous standard of absolute loyalty no matter what or let the man keep his self respect after being told one thing and having another thing done for around the past six years?
 
Dame letting it be known publically that he wants to win shouldn't be a big deal. Of course he wants to win. What soon to be 33 year old superstar wouldn't? Why would Dame stating that make is so that good offers that would be on the table disappear? It shpuld be common knowledge around league circles that star players want to win... out a team likes a deal for themselves, I have a hard time seeing them not do a deal they want because the Blazers are in a tough spot and Dame wants to win. So if you people want to think there were never good offers on the table, fine. But to act like Dame sabotaged what would've been on the table doesn't make sense to me.

You have no idea what happened behind the scenes Torrie. Dame could've been a drama queen for years for all you know. Maybe Dame gave some assurances once he got the quarter of a billion deal that he wouldn't pull this shit. Maybe he's letting his teammates down. This could be very similar to the situation when Sgt. Slaughter turned his back on his American patriotism and became an Iraqi sympathizer during the Gulf War, betraying his fans and embodying a villainous character aligned with Iraq.
 
Dame letting it be known publically that he wants to win shouldn't be a big deal. Of course he wants to win. What soon to be 33 year old superstar wouldn't? Why would Dame stating that make is so that good offers that would be on the table disappear? It shpuld be common knowledge around league circles that star players want to win... out a team likes a deal for themselves, I have a hard time seeing them not do a deal they want because the Blazers are in a tough spot and Dame wants to win. So if you people want to think there were never good offers on the table, fine. But to act like Dame sabotaged what would've been on the table doesn't make sense to me.

I seriously have no clue how you can't see him saying "I don't want to play with 19 year olds" and "I want to play in Miami" isn't completely sabotaging the blazers, I don't know what to say. You make great graphics, though.
 
the only person who put winning pressure on Cronin, was a guy named Joe Cronin.

Joe Cronin told fans and Lillard countless times he wanted to make winning moves to improve the team.

Meanwhile the other Joe Cronin was trading good Blazers for literally nothing at all.

Joe Cronin tried to build a crummy team that would struggle to win and fall into the lottery.

Lillard is so freaking good at basketball, he dang near got an undersized Blazer team lacking depth at every position into the playoffs.

Joe Cronin pulled the plug, made bad trades, put his foot down and said "ya'll ain't winning no more this season".

Lillard has had enough of this garbage. Damian is a spectacular competitor. Losing on purpose, throwing in the towel, accepting defeat, these are not things Damian Lillard has built his career around.
 
I'm as big of a fan of Dame as they come. And this is hitting hard.

But if it's true that Dame is pushing for Miami, it's hard to take his previous statements about not wanting to go the easy route really lose a lot of credibility.

Joining the eastern conference champs that fell short of a ring isn't exactly grind... No matter how you slice it.

Maybe Dame has issues with one or more people in the Blazers organization.

Maybe he wants the tax break.

Maybe he decided after all these years that a ring is necessary for him to feel accomplished.

Maybe Cronin told him we're not going to build around him ever.

Maybe he was pissed at being forced to sit the last month of a career year.

I don't think we'll ever know. But wanting to go to Miami really sours an already crappy situation. I really believed his dedication was to the city and the franchise up until this year. Hard to see it that way right now. He gave us a ton, and I've enjoyed the hell out of Dame as a Blazer. I wish it wasn't coming to an end. But I don't really see the loyalty to the franchise/fans.

Ultimately, he wants the ring. Fair enough.
nice post.
 
Why do we always have to have a bad guy in these situations? I honestly don't blame either one.
Joes was smart to draft both Sharpe and Scoot. Dame wants to move on. As much as I love Dame, and wanted him to stay, I am ok with us moving on as well
I seriously have no clue how you can't see him saying "I don't want to play with 19 year olds" and "I want to play in Miami" isn't completely sabotaging the blazers, I don't know what to say. You make great graphics, though.
Beveridge I think a lot of GMs would assume that, if the Blazers came to them to shop the 3rd pick looking for win-now pieces, then it'd beceause the Blazers & Dame want a win-now team over a rookie. I don't see how Dame stating that changes what would've been the status quo in negotiations. In the end teams make deals to better themselves. Scoot is a hell of a prospect. I don't see why a team would say no if they wanted him because Dame states the obvious.
 
or being the greatest blazer in the history or mocking pg 13 for running from the grind or this...

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While this did age poorly, it's five years old. Most people's perspectives and priorities change over time as they get older. This is especially true for someone going from late 20s to early-mid 30s with a family.

It didn't play out like he/we wanted, and it sucks now, but surely at the time he meant every word of that.
 
Shouldn't we be able to get something like what Utah got for Donovan Mitchell? Markannen, 3 unprotected FRP's , collin Sexton drafted #8 in 2022 and Ochai Agbaji, drafted #14 in 2022?

I think the situations are more different than they are similar.

If we get that level of package, I'd be thrilled. Frankly, I would've been more excited about the idea of trading Dame if I knew they could get a nice young player and 3 unprotected first from a bad franchise.

For me, I've just wanted to maximize value, with keeping Dame being the default if neither path proved to have a significant difference.
 
Beveridge I think a lot of GMs would assume that, if the Blazers came to them to shop the 3rd pick looking for win-now pieces, then it'd beceause the Blazers & Dame want a win-now team over a rookie. I don't see how Dame stating that changes what would've been the status quo in negotiations. In the end teams make deals to better themselves. Scoot is a hell of a prospect. I don't see why a team would say no if they wanted him because Dame states the obvious.

That sounds fair enough, but I still don't see how either is the bad guy.
 
Is it just me, or is this "star player has requested a trade" phenomenon fairly recent?

I don't remember players putting public pressure on organizations like this a decade ago.

(I'm not making any particular statement about Dame doing it. I just don't remember it being a thing.)
 
Beveridge I think a lot of GMs would assume that, if the Blazers came to them to shop the 3rd pick looking for win-now pieces, then it'd beceause the Blazers & Dame want a win-now team over a rookie. I don't see how Dame stating that changes what would've been the status quo in negotiations. In the end teams make deals to better themselves. Scoot is a hell of a prospect. I don't see why a team would say no if they wanted him because Dame states the obvious.

Torrie, you're just like Dame. Running from the grind.
 
I can't believe Sprague does this show with Marang.... the dude just screams at him the whole time.
 
What a change of events.

This might actually end up being a good thing for the forum in a year or so. The pessimistic folks from a year ago are changing to optimistic about blowing it up and watching scoot, sharpe, and whatever we can get for Dame do in the future.

Some of the optimistic folks that thought we could build around Dame are pissed right now.but after they process their grief they will come around.and be optimistic like the rest of us.

I haven't seen harmony like that on this forum since the Roy, Aldridge, Batum days. Until we got Oden and a couple years later the cake got burnt.

Looking forward to the future. Hoping this place gets less old man grouch as a result.

Good luck to Dame. I'll root for him wherever he goes but I hope the Blazers kick his ass.
 
What a change of events.

This might actually end up being a good thing for the forum in a year or so. The pessimistic folks from a year ago are changing to optimistic about blowing it up and watching scoot, sharpe, and whatever we can get for Dame do in the future.

Some of the optimistic folks that thought we could build around Dame are pissed right now.but after they process their grief they will come around.and be optimistic like the rest of us.

I haven't seen harmony like that on this forum like that since the Roy, Aldridge, Batum days. Until we got Oden and a couple years later the cake got burnt.

Looking forward to the future. Hoping this place gets less old man grouch as a result.

Good luck to Dame. I'll root for him wherever he goes but I hope the Blazers kick his ass.

Where did you disappear to?
 
Is it just me, or is this "star player has requested a trade" phenomenon fairly recent?

I don't remember players putting public pressure on organizations like this a decade ago.

(I'm not making any particular statement about Dame doing it. I just don't remember it being a thing.)
this is an ugly situation
You have to go back in time to Kevin Garnett and his crummy Timberwolves. The ENTIRE LEAGUE was pleading with KG to find a better team to play for. The final result >>> world champion Boston Celtics
 
What a change of events.

This might actually end up being a good thing for the forum in a year or so. The pessimistic folks from a year ago are changing to optimistic about blowing it up and watching scoot, sharpe, and whatever we can get for Dame do in the future.

Some of the optimistic folks that thought we could build around Dame are pissed right now.but after they process their grief they will come around.and be optimistic like the rest of us.

I haven't seen harmony like that on this forum since the Roy, Aldridge, Batum days. Until we got Oden and a couple years later the cake got burnt.

Looking forward to the future. Hoping this place gets less old man grouch as a result.

Good luck to Dame. I'll root for him wherever he goes but I hope the Blazers kick his ass.

How long are we letting it bake for this time?
 
Where did you disappear to?
I took a break. Had a baby late last year and decided arguing with dudes on here about the Blazers wasn't worth it. It was a pretty depressing year as a Blazers fan too. I have thought for awhile moving on from Dame is the right decision if we couldn't put the right pieces around him. I think Olshey fucked that up long ago.

Hope Dame wins one somewhere else.

Bring on the process!
 
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