Dame asks for trade (And there it is)

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blazerfan11 said:
I don't care if we have to wait another whole season.
Dame will be watching the magnificent young Blazers and realize he might have made a big mistake.
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You're obviously being hyperbolic to make the point, but at some point, I think you have to pull the trigger. Dame's 33 so yeah, there's some amount of shot clock, but for sure can't take pennies for him...
 
blazerkor said:
Maybe just maybe you can't say words are cheap with a guy that stuck around as long as Dame did with such shitty roster construction for so long. Maybe he reached his breaking point with patience and when he couldn't have it his way (a championship here) he decided that he would try and force his way to the place that was the closest he could get to guaranteed rings. Everyone who is turning on Dame right now looks like a traitor to me. We all know that Joe didn't ever make the big swing he kept promising, we all know that when Dame said don't go young Joe not only used the third pick to draft someone young but to draft a young PG.

Oh and I think Dame knows what his contract says but this is business and there are a lot of ways to meet your contractual obligations and still work where you want to work and for who you want to work.
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That's the problem with super stars they want to detected where they wants to play and don't care what there team gets. Sound like Dame is just another one of those super stars. I don't care if Dame join Miami but he better be something better then what I been hearing though.
 
Ha Seung-Boumtje-Boumjte said:
Dame's to be traded draws intriguing parallels to the tale of Mordred's betrayal in Arthurian legend.

Mordred, fueled by envy and a thirst for power, conspired against his own father, seeking to usurp the throne and claim the kingdom for himself. In a desperate bid for personal gain, he betrayed not only his familial ties but also the trust placed upon him as a knight of the Round Table. Just as Mordred turned against his own family and king, Lillard's desire for a trade signifies a departure from the team that has nurtured and supported him throughout his illustrious career.

The act of turning away from a long-standing allegiance holds echoes of betrayal. Both instances evoke a sense of disloyalty and the forsaking of communal bonds. Betrayal and abandonment can carry consequences beyond the immediate gain sought. They prompt reflection on the complexities of human loyalty and the impact of individual actions on the collective fabric of teams, communities, and legacies.
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Really? I think more Hamlet. Mordred always had evil in his heart and just needed the opportunity for it to manifest openly. Hamlet had good intentions but the whispers of ghosts eventually moved him to take an action even he never had completely bought into.
 
wizenheimer said:
you lost me there...sorry

I was just asking if people believed Dame told Cronin he would only play for Miami, not any other team, including Portland. That's what the tweet said Dame told Cronin.

do people believe Dame would be that stupid, stubborn, and unprincipled?
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Honestly, I don't know what to believe about Dame's character anymore.
 
wizenheimer said:
it's only coming from one person, Amick. I haven't seen any other source for it.

that Dame would like to go to Miami I have no doubt about. That he actually told Cronin he would not play for any other team than Miami I find hard to believe
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I hope you're right. It could work out well for both sides if that's the case. Again, I'm not mad at Dame over this at all. I honestly didn't think it would come to this (shouted it from the rooftops for months over at Realgm T&T board), but I can understand how and why, from both sides. I hope he loves Brooklyn and Portland gets a haul. I have my doubts, but a guy can hope
 
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Fitz303 said:
I hope you're right. It could work out well for both sides if that's the case. Again, I'm not mad at Dame over this at all. I honestly didn't think it would come to this (shouted it from the rooftops for months over at Realgm T&T board), but I can understand how and why, from both sides. I hope he loves Brooklyn and Portland gets a haul. I have my doubts, but a guy can hope
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I know...Brooklyn could definitely give the much better return. And I'd rather Cronin was dealing with Sean Marks than Pat Riley. I fear Riley will bend Cronin over and spank him hard...and Cronin won't even know he's getting spanked
 
maxiep said:
I was up at 3 AM. Woke with a feeling of unease. Life without Dame is going to take an adjustment.
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Really? I like Dame and think he is and was a really good man and represented this team/city about as good one can. But change is necessary and ongoing and it is/was time, I have been "adjusting" mentally for this for a year or longer as I thought Dame leaving the Blazers was the best course of action for both, because given our roster etc we would never contend with him and that contract was an albatross. Therefore sending him to a good team and fetting value back/rebuilding without those massive 4 years was the right way to go, glad its finally happening
 
wizenheimer said:
I know...Brooklyn could definitely give the much better return. And I'd rather Cronin was dealing with Sean Marks than Pat Riley. I fear Riley will bend Cronin over and spank him hard...and Cronin won't even know he's getting spanked
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This is a possibility fans need to prepare for...If indications are true about Damian's desire to only be traded to Miami, there could be real fear amongst other teams that they would be trading for a disgruntled 33 year old player owed crazy amounts of money.

Also, important to note, there are 20+ qualified people in the office discussing the possibilities. Like any business, there is one guy making the announcement, but a load of others involved in making the decision.
 
glazeduck said:
Yep, divorces can get messy, but you can't afford to just take whatever just to move on.

We're largely in the position we're in because we've gotten absolutely nothing from: Webster, Roy, LMA, Oden, Collins (3 1s!!!), Ariza, Roco, etc. Dame is our highest value asset of the past few decades, we can't afford to take cents on the dollar for him.
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It's insane how little we have received back for players or wasted in traded Draft picks.

2014 1st round pick - traded for Gerald Wallace (which got back the Dame pick).
2014 2nd round pick - Trail Blazers traded Jordan Hamilton, Andre Miller, and a 2014 second round pick to the Denver Nuggets, as well as Rudy Fernandez and the rights to Petteri Koponen to the Dallas Mavericks in exchange for Raymond Felton and the rights to Tanguy Ngombo. YUCK!!!!
2015 1st round pick - traded along with Steve Blake for Mason Plumlee.
2015/16 2nd round picks - traded away for Allen Crabbe. Not bad at first, but a disaster at the end.
2016 1st round pick - traded along with Will Barton for Aaron Afflalo. Played a total of 25 games for the Blazers.
2017 1st round picks - 3 picks traded for Zach Collins and Caleb Swanigan. Between the two, started a grand total of 15 games for the Blazers. Got nothing in return when they left.
2017 2nd round pick - for Thomas Robinson.
2018 1st round pick - Anfernee Simons
2019 1st round pick - Nassir Little
2019 2nd round pick - CJ Elleby
2021/2022 1st round pick - traded for Robert Covington

That covers most of Olshey's Drafts or use of picks. For the most part, absolutely brutal and put this team in a hole for years. He got the benefit of Dame, but wasn't part of what brought him here. The Plumlee deal was solid, Ant has been good for his position and I'd say the same of Little if he could ever stay healthy.

The rest is pretty much an abject dumpster fire. Tough to recover from that when players like RoCo cost 2 1sts and we got back absolute garbage for him when he left.

It looks like the Draft portion is going much better in the last 2 years, and that is how a team like Portland builds for the future. Fingers crossed going forward!
 
Don't really understand the urgency to trade Nurk, unless we're getting another center in return. He's starting caliber center, on a decent contract. Our team is already super small. Nurk can at least rebound, play the pick and roll, is fairly skilled offensively, decent paint protector. He looked good playing with our rag tag team during our tanks.
 
PDXFonz said:
Also…Let’s face it, Dame was the reason analysts talked about the Blazers for so long.

We will fall so quickly into national irrelevancy that people will forget we exist.

Expect to be rated poorly by those in the sports world.

Not necessarily a bad thing.
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Except the Blazers have Scoot Henderson and Shaedon Sharpe.
 
beast crnjo said:
Don't really understand the urgency to trade Nurk, unless we're getting another center in return. He's starting caliber center, on a decent contract. Our team is already super small. Nurk can at least rebound, play the pick and roll, is fairly skilled offensively, decent paint protector. He looked good playing with our rag tag team during our tanks.
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It would be a shame to ship off Nurk when the Blazers finally have a full-court / player movement roster that Nurk prefers.
 
beast crnjo said:
Don't really understand the urgency to trade Nurk, unless we're getting another center in return. He's starting caliber center, on a decent contract. Our team is already super small. Nurk can at least rebound, play the pick and roll, is fairly skilled offensively, decent paint protector. He looked good playing with our rag tag team during our tanks.
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I think Nurk is traded with Dame. Maybe not to the same team because it could be a 3 or 4 team deal.
 
beast crnjo said:
Don't really understand the urgency to trade Nurk, unless we're getting another center in return. He's starting caliber center, on a decent contract. Our team is already super small. Nurk can at least rebound, play the pick and roll, is fairly skilled offensively, decent paint protector. He looked good playing with our rag tag team during our tanks.
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Yeah we would need to be getting a starting level C back up in the trade or have another trade set up to bring one in.
 
blazerfan11 said:
Except the Blazers have Scoot Henderson and Shaedon Sharpe.
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If we are exciting they will pump us up. When we drafted Dame is was the same way: first we were exciting to watch, then we were a team on the rise, then analysts focused on Dame then they started telling Dame to leave us lol

I don’t know if that sort of attention is what we want right now.
 
Sloth said:
We simply must get a rim protector and perimeter defender back whoever we make a deal with.
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In due time, we are not wining anything this year except another good draft pick, like the draft given Portland's current situation its BPA (or pick) in any trade - highest value back and sort it out (more trades if applicable) as the year progresses
 
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