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Whyachi said:
304 million for Jaylen Brown?
No wonder Cronin scared Lillard off the team. The small market Blazers franchise simply can't afford to pay multiple next gen All-Star salaries.
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I think a franchise raking in hundreds of millions of dollars in profits can afford it.

They just don't wanna.

It's like the CEOs of these networks and studios saying they can't afford to pay living wages to their actors and writers as they pocket hundreds of millions for riding the coat tails of creatives.
 
glazeduck said:
How exactly do you figure that? At the time of his death, Paul Allen was worth $20.3 BILLION DOLLARS. He was the 44th wealthiest person on earth. Since then, franchise value has only gone up and the new TV deal is coming soon. We can absolutely afford to pay those salaries. We just aren't.
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The Celtics are a very popular and heralded NBA franchise. The Blazers look like an estate sale before the team is put on Zillow.
 
Whyachi said:
If ... Jaquez is to be part of the Lillard to Heat trade, is it safe to assume the Dame trade was almost patched up this whole time, and the Blazers asked Miami to draft Jaquez with their 1st round pick?
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No inside info, but if this were the case, I don't think we would've seen as much blatant posturing as we have. If all we're waiting for is for Jacquez to be tradeable, you wouldn't have seen Cronin say "if it takes months, it takes months". There's no reason to continue to put out the narrative that the Heat don't have/aren't offering what you want if you're simply waiting for a somewhat arbitrary deadline to pass. Most trades, in that case, are even announced ahead of time with the caveat of the timing -- we likely would've heard a lot more finality around it than we are.

All of that said, it does feel like we may ultimately have to acquiesce and take the Heat's "best" offer, given the market, but I don't think we're anywhere close to an agreed-upon deal with them yet.
 
Sounds like Blazers might not want Lillard going to a west team so that eliminates half the teams in the league. I'd be open to it as the Blazers aren't trying to win today so why does it even matter. So that takes OKC/LAC/GS/SAS/NOP/UTH/etc out of the possibilities.

What other east teams don't have any chance to be interested? Bucks, Cavs, Knicks, Hawks, Pacers, Hornets already have established PG's. Wizards, Magic, Pistons are too young. Bulls and Celtics don't have assets. Only teams left are;

Heat
Nets
Raptors
76ers

Yeah even if Dame opens up his list thats a very short list. Compared to say Durant where 70%+ of the league would've been interested. If a couple of those teams just don't see Dame being worth it the Blazers might have very little ability to get a good deal.

So while yeah I'm ok with holding out against Miami for a shit deal, I do think its very possible the Blazers find themselves without good trading partners and have to seriously consider eventually going for whatever package they can get back for Dame - even if it appears to be a less than desired return.
 
Whyachi said:
If ... Jaquez is to be part of the Lillard to Heat trade, is it safe to assume the Dame trade was almost patched up this whole time, and the Blazers asked Miami to draft Jaquez with their 1st round pick?
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I find this very hard to believe because Jaquez is such a stretch to be drafted at that spot, and he doesn't really provide anything over Murray. He's very old with low upside. He makes much more sense to a team trying to win right away with luxury tax concerns and needing a role player - such as Miami. He doesn't make sense to a rebuilding team hoping to hit on upside like the Blazers.

I'd think Blazers would've prefer Leonard Miller, Cam or someone else with starter potential.

I don't think the Blazers had any contact directly with Miami until after Dame's 7/1 demand. They just didn't care that much over pick #18 IMO. They were more focused on getting their guy at #23 than what Miami is doing at #18.

Although I would love a conspiracy theory 4 dimensional chess move where Cronin told Riley to draft Jaquez but it was only to ensure Murray dropped to us.
 
At this time, this is how I see this playing out:

Regardless of when Mr. Lillard moves on to a new team, it will not net the f*ck ton of value many feel they want, and that the Blazers deserve. This is my conjecture. Anything else in this post is based on this conjecture totally.

The most compensation that can be had, will likely come from a team that has a shot at the title, and suffers an injury to a player that plays the same position. This is more likely, the farther the year wears on.

If Mr. Lillard plays for the Blazers next season, I have zero doubt he will play just as hard as he always has. If this happens, I see some good things because of it, and I see some bad. If Simons is going to blossom, it has to be this year, and he needs the pressure on him, not on Mr. Lillard.

Personally, I want to see a top 10 player at the 4 or 5, 2 to 3 firsts, and bench depth at the 4 or 5. He is worth more, and eventually someone may pay more, but I would rather see the new monsters of the midcourt start building their future framework..... now. On a side note, I hope Reath makes it. He might be on someone's bench next season.
 
BassPlaya said:
Regardless of when Mr. Lillard moves on to a new team, it will not net the f*ck ton of value many feel they want, and that the Blazers deserve.
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my hot take is that I dont think there is much of a potential value loss by waiting till the deadline or next summer.

the discomfort and pr hit is just something you have to deal with.
 
Samuel said:
my hot take is that I dont think there is much of a potential value loss by waiting till the deadline or next summer.

the discomfort and pr hit is just something you have to deal with.
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I agree.

There are benefits of waiting. Maybe Dame opens up his list. Maybe Herro's value goes up.

The one major benefit of waiting until the end of September, at the very least, is that Orlando Robinson becomes available.

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There are risks.

Maybe Herro gets hurt. Maybe Dame gets hurt. Maybe the Heat are killing it and they decide they don't want Dame anymore. But there are some clear benefits as well.
 
I thought we had to wait until December, but if we only have to wait until September to get Orlando Robinson, I say we wait until September.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
I think the next event is Jacquez being trade eligible? Anyone know if he signed 7/1? Normally thats when all the rookies sign. If so I believe his restriction would end Sunday 7/30 so he could be traded Monday or later.

If we all of the sudden start hearing a lot of additional rumors Sunday or Monday perhaps these negotiations are further along then we thought.

If its still crickets then I'd suspect nothing changes until a few weeks prior to training camp. Media day and training camp is at the end of September, so that would likely mean nothing will happen until mid September.

I'd expect most front offices, GM's, assistants, and owners actually go on vacation. Sure they can be reached if need be. But if were still very far apart on a trade which appears to be the status, I'd think they instead just prefer to shut the office down and revisit these negotiations closer to training camp. This type of trade will need a ton of review from all over teams management so its not something Cronin or others will want to finalize with a bunch of the front office calling in over skype.
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That's like getting excited for Kris Murray.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I thought we had to wait until December, but if we only have to wait until September to get Orlando Robinson, I say we wait until September.
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Wow! Orlando Robinson! He may almost be as good as Drew Eubanks!

Everybody, please stop getting excited about the flotsam on the M'eat roster. They have absolute crap to offer. They only look halfway decent because the system is good in Miami and we're so f***ing terrible.
 
This would be my dream scenario at this point.

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Scoot/Lowry
Simons/Sharpe/Keon
Thybulle/Nas/Jaquez/Rupert
Grant/Walker/Jovic/Murray
Allen/Robinson
 
maxiep said:
Wow! Orlando Robinson! He may almost be as good as Drew Eubanks!

Everybody, please stop getting excited about the flotsam on the M'eat roster. They have absolute crap to offer. They only look halfway decent because the system is good in Miami and we're so f***ing terrible.
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He's an asset. If they have an asset, I want it. I'm not excited about anyone on their team.

But he had a fantastic summer league, and that's pretty rare for a center.

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One thing that needs to be kept in mind is that right now, every team in the NBA has the same record for the 2023-24 season, and (at least in the minds of many fans) every team has a shot at being a contender.

There are some Detroit fans that think the Pistons will be a contender next season.
Whether that is realistic or ridiculous doesn't matter.

What matters is that by the trade deadline, and certainly by the end of next season, there are going to be A LOT of disappointing teams and disappointed fans. Teams and fans that right now are happy.
 
Natebishop3 said:
It's funny..... because Dame is right. He doesn't know what it's like to be a vet min guy. He has his bag. He has ALWAYS had his bag.

I was listening to Marang today and they were talking about this Austin Rivers quote. They brought up an interesting thing. Dame and to a smaller extent Harden, are holding up the entire league. There are a ton of free agents who are just sitting out there waiting for Dame to get traded. Miami isn't going to sign anyone. We aren't going to sign anyone. So it's funny that Dame with his insane contract is telling a dude who is paycheck to paycheck is speaking on things that he doesn't know. Marang and Dusty were saying that the vet min guys are going to start getting pissed at stars like Dame for affecting their money.

Rivers spoke a lot about not liking the new CBA and that there's a huge gap now between the haves and the have nots of the league. Gonna be a few dudes who are making 40-60 million and then a bunch of dudes who are making significantly less money.
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So Dame (and Harden) are holding up the little guy from getting money.....and CJ negotiated the current CBA that is making it harder for the little guy to get paid.

What episode of "Drinks like a Fish in Dundee" was this?
 
blazerfan11 said:
One thing that needs to be kept in mind is that right now, every team in the NBA has the same record for the 2023-24 season, and (at least in the minds of many fans) every team has a shot at being a contender.

There are some Detroit fans that think the Pistons will be a contender next season.
Whether that is realistic or ridiculous doesn't matter.

What matters is that by the trade deadline, and certainly by the end of next season, there are going to be A LOT of disappointing teams and disappointed fans. Teams and fans that right now are happy.
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That's what's great about being a Blazer fan. We're starting off the season disappointed.
 
BassPlaya said:
No....no value loss. But potential developmental loss.
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Sure but which matters more, a partial loss of development of Sharpe and Scoot...or getting pennies on the dollar for the most important trade in franchise history since Drexler?
 
Idog1976 said:
Sure but which matters more, a partial loss of development of Sharpe and Scoot...or getting pennies on the dollar for the most important trade in franchise history since Drexler?
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Who said pennies on the dollar?
 
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