Dame asks for trade (And there it is)

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Ripcity4life77 said:
You guys are so silly can you not read between the lines --- the trust he had with the Blazers front office has been broken now how that was broken is up for debate and all but something happened to make him not be loyal. If you really believe Dame has turned into a fake ass PoS or he was full of it all these years then your a clown. Someone might be able to "fake it " for a couple of years or so but eventually fake people slip up and expose themselves. If you really believe Dame is that fake then hell he needs to retire from the NBA and become and actor cause he would for sure win an Oscar if that is true but it's not so screw that noise.

Some of you are just looking for a reason to make the fact you have turned YOUR back on him seem right that you will now twist everything he says into justification for your own actions of betrayal and that is sad and pathetic but i guess that would sum up a portion of this forum as of late.
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I don't know if I'd put this in such dramatic terms but I think along the same lines. People can say that Dame was dumb for making his demands about adding established all star level talent so public but he got asked about it and wasn't fake, he kept it real. This front office had to know that if they chose to go young again Dame would view that as choosing to not continue on with him. I think that's what Cronin did. Today it was pretty obvious that Dame is not going to talk in depth about this situation.

Dame has always been high character and even though I don't appreciate the "Miami or bust" shit, once that loyalty was broken by the front office by continuing to go young after Dame said that would be the same as choosing to go down a different path than he is on... I think Dame's stubbornness makes sense. I don't like it but it makes sense. All of that being said, Cronin shouldn't give a fuck about getting Dame to Miami, he should get him to a team that would give him a chance to win big, whatever team he would make a contender, who has the best offer.
 
To echo (not quote) what was said on Locked On Blazers by Marang, if a front court player — SF with size (not a SG in disguise), PF, or C — is in a trade package for Lillard … and if that guy is actually a starter who MAY become more … then a trade can get done for Lillard.

Brooklyn and Claxton.
Toronto and Barnes or Siakam or OG … I don’t care which.
Orlando and Franz Wagner … a stretch on just getting Wagner as the guy for frickin’ Lillard!
Philly and Tobias Harris …he and Siakam are pushing it on age.
A different, youngish front court guy? Sure.

I don’t care who is making the case about what it will or SHOULD take for a deal to get done. Miami trade pieces DON’T fit what Portland needs. Jovic is a maybe as a starter. Jaquez? Who knows?! And it’s hard to see Nurkic or Herro bringing in what’s needed.

When it’s resolved (Nurkic annd Lillard traded), conservatively speaking … Portland has 2 starters — Simons and Grant — 2 guys who will play starter minutes whether they should be starters yet or not — Scoot and Sharpe — and 5 others who are mostly or entirely forwards — Thybulle, Little, Murray, Walker, and Rupert (2 are ready for real minutes). I like what I can see in these 9 players but don’t expect most all to hit or even stay long term.

One real guy in the front court who MAY become much more — that’s what Portland should get or there is no trade.
 
Ripcity4life77 said:
You guys are so silly can you not read between the lines --- the trust he had with the Blazers front office has been broken now how that was broken is up for debate and all but something happened to make him not be loyal. If you really believe Dame has turned into a fake ass PoS or he was full of it all these years then your a clown. Someone might be able to "fake it " for a couple of years or so but eventually fake people slip up and expose themselves. If you really believe Dame is that fake then hell he needs to retire from the NBA and become and actor cause he would for sure win an Oscar if that is true but it's not so screw that noise.

Some of you are just looking for a reason to make the fact you have turned YOUR back on him seem right that you will now twist everything he says into justification for your own actions of betrayal and that is sad and pathetic but i guess that would sum up a portion of this forum as of late.
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Feels like you haven’t been paying attention (or is this next level satire?).
 
Ripcity4life77 said:
You guys are so silly can you not read between the lines --- the trust he had with the Blazers front office has been broken now how that was broken is up for debate and all but something happened to make him not be loyal. If you really believe Dame has turned into a fake ass PoS or he was full of it all these years then your a clown. Someone might be able to "fake it " for a couple of years or so but eventually fake people slip up and expose themselves. If you really believe Dame is that fake then hell he needs to retire from the NBA and become and actor cause he would for sure win an Oscar if that is true but it's not so screw that noise.

Some of you are just looking for a reason to make the fact you have turned YOUR back on him seem right that you will now twist everything he says into justification for your own actions of betrayal and that is sad and pathetic but i guess that would sum up a portion of this forum as of late.
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OK, well just admit that "I have always said I will be loyal to myself" is a flat out lie and 100% in contradiction to what he actually has always professed.
 
Ripcity4life77 said:
You guys are so silly can you not read between the lines --- the trust he had with the Blazers front office has been broken now how that was broken is up for debate and all but something happened to make him not be loyal. If you really believe Dame has turned into a fake ass PoS or he was full of it all these years then your a clown. Someone might be able to "fake it " for a couple of years or so but eventually fake people slip up and expose themselves. If you really believe Dame is that fake then hell he needs to retire from the NBA and become and actor cause he would for sure win an Oscar if that is true but it's not so screw that noise.

Some of you are just looking for a reason to make the fact you have turned YOUR back on him seem right that you will now twist everything he says into justification for your own actions of betrayal and that is sad and pathetic but i guess that would sum up a portion of this forum as of late.
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I gotta hand it to ya… I don’t fault people for having an opinion, even if it happens to be wrong, but you’re not just wrong… you’re extremely arrogant while being wrong. It’s an entertaining combination. I regularly guffaw at your posts.
 
You know Nate -- your right -- I am arrogant but it's because I believe so strongly that I am right but this is pointless cause neither side can really claim to be truly right cause the truth is still a mystery. We have been going around and around and around for a month plus now and where has it gotten us. I come to this forum and I get angry on how fans have turned on the player that is one of the best of all time and without a doubt top 3 and one could argue the top player that has EVER put on a Blazer's jersey. The thing is this has gotten me no where accept me having to down a aspirin or two after reading the crap that some fans want to degrade Dame and bring him down day after day and I am done with it. This forum used to be a place i could be proud of but no more and the inmates are running things and I will take my share of the blame but now I am going to remove myself from this for awhile at least until we get real news. Then I will have to decide after my post reacting to the Dame trade if I want to even stick around anymore cause this is not working anymore. I used to have genuine respect for most of the posters even if I went at them a little but right now I have very little respect for a good portion of you but I cannot respect a fan who would turn there back on a player and make them the bad guy when they gave there heart and soul to the team and the city so that is where I will leave it.

Cya all once Dame is traded or some real news happens but til then --- peace out and Go Blazers !!!!!
 
Ripcity4life77 said:
You know Nate -- your right -- I am arrogant but it's because I believe so strongly that I am right but this is pointless cause neither side can really claim to be truly right cause the truth is still a mystery. We have been going around and around and around for a month plus now and where has it gotten us. I come to this forum and I get angry on how fans have turned on the player that is one of the best of all time and without a doubt top 3 and one could argue the top player that has EVER put on a Blazer's jersey. The thing is this has gotten me no where accept me having to down a aspirin or two after reading the crap that some fans want to degrade Dame and bring him down day after day and I am done with it. This forum used to be a place i could be proud of but no more and the inmates are running things and I will take my share of the blame but now I am going to remove myself from this for awhile at least until we get real news. Then I will have to decide after my post reacting to the Dame trade if I want to even stick around anymore cause this is not working anymore. I used to have genuine respect for most of the posters even if I went at them a little but right now I have very little respect for a good portion of you but I cannot respect a fan who would turn there back on a player and make them the bad guy when they gave there heart and soul to the team and the city so that is where I will leave it.

Cya all once Dame is traded or some real news happens but til then --- peace out and Go Blazers !!!!!
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It’s just basketball man…. :smiley-beerchug:
 
Ripcity4life77 said:
You guys are so silly can you not read between the lines --- the trust he had with the Blazers front office has been broken now how that was broken is up for debate and all but something happened to make him not be loyal. If you really believe Dame has turned into a fake ass PoS or he was full of it all these years then your a clown. Someone might be able to "fake it " for a couple of years or so but eventually fake people slip up and expose themselves. If you really believe Dame is that fake then hell he needs to retire from the NBA and become and actor cause he would for sure win an Oscar if that is true but it's not so screw that noise.

Some of you are just looking for a reason to make the fact you have turned YOUR back on him seem right that you will now twist everything he says into justification for your own actions of betrayal and that is sad and pathetic but i guess that would sum up a portion of this forum as of late.
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I never begrudged him for making the trade request. Ever.

I do begrudge him and his team for trying to strongarm us.

There's an ocean of difference.
 
tiredhunter said:
And a really unique way to say "selfish".
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Lillard has always been selfish. I have tried to point it out a couple times over the years: once when he said that he and Simons (or maybe CJ) were so valuable offensively that they shouldn't be expected to do much on defense. once when he was talking about what Cronin needed to do help him ("me") and then quickly corrected himself to say "for the team".
 
CJ_is_Gone said:
Its mis-communication.

I'm sure Cronin told Dame that if it ever came to it, that Cronin would help Dame get to where he wanted to be. That comes with a caveat of 'assuming the return is reasonable'.

From the CJ and Hart trades, Cronin helped both players get to a good situation. I think with both players, there were 2-3 trade possibilities on the table (based on subsequent reports and comments). Cronin was able to say to both, "Do you want to go to A or B teams?"

I'm sure Cronin envisioned a similar approach, where he gave Dame 3 options to choose from. Dame assumed that he could 'pick his team'.
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I agree this is a very likely scenario, maybe the most likely scenario.

Another key difference in Dame's situation is the reports he leaked much of this info to Bam and Butler. They likely relayed it to Riley and Heat management, who then hold it against the Blazers in negotiations. That basically tries to give Dame's new team extra assets and remove them from the Blazers - a totally unfair element to this that contradicts the supposed informal goodwill agreements Dame's camp alludes to.

Even if the Blazers agreed to give Dame input on a trade destination I highly doubt they would've agreed to all these actions Dame and his agent have taken. I cant think of a trade ever happening in NBA history where a player was able to act the way Dame has and get to his choice of team for very little. Its nothing like the CJ/Norm/Hart/etc trades.

Really all of the possibilities of what could've transpired privately with Dame/Cronin/Blazers ownership don't paint Dame's recent actions in a good light.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
Another key difference in Dame's situation is the reports he leaked much of this info to Bam and Butler. They likely relayed it to Riley and Heat management, who then hold it against the Blazers in negotiations. That basically tries to give Dame's new team extra assets and remove them from the Blazers - a totally unfair element to this that contradicts the supposed informal goodwill agreements Dame's camp alludes to.
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Exactly. This is an underappreciated aspect of the situation.
Either Bam or Butler (I don't remember which one) basically said as much on a national interview.
 
UKRAINEFAN said:
What's the deal here? As soon as a forum member starts their own podcast, we start piling on them?
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Lmao, um, how long you been here? it’s been like this way before. Nothing to do with a silly podcast. But on that note, it is a horrible podcast
 
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Blazinaway said:
so sick of Dame and this saga, let's just get rid of hm and move on!
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If GM’s thought like this, they would be fired quickly right after. You don’t make a move out of frustration or because you’re sick of it, if you’re sick of it keep crying will help the situation.

This is Cronin biggest trade ever, he wants to do what’s best for Portland not for Dame or fan that are “sick” of it
 
Tince said:
Are there actually Blazer fans who would say no to this?
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Okay, here’s a question, does Jimmy make us a contender? I don’t think that’s a bad trade, but I don’t really see the point. This roster is so bad. It needs so many things. The window for Dame and Jimmy would be so short. I know that trade isn’t at all realistic, but we need an Embiid to pair with Dame. We need a super duper pooper star.
 
Jimmy would go ballistic after one week of "Blazers culture". It couldn't work even if we get Bam AND Jimmy here.
 
Tince said:
Are there actually Blazer fans who would say no to this?
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Great post - yeah there aren't any Blazer fans that would've said no to that.

Maybe now some feel the Lillard relationship is beyond repair - but if this had happened before Dame's trade request I can't think of any reasonable Blazer fan that would've been against it.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Okay, here’s a question, does Jimmy make us a contender? I don’t think that’s a bad trade, but I don’t really see the point. This roster is so bad. It needs so many things. The window for Dame and Jimmy would be so short. I know that trade isn’t at all realistic, but we need an Embiid to pair with Dame. We need a super duper pooper star.
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Butler was way better than Embiid for the entire playoffs. That trade isn't even a debate, of course the Blazers should've done it.

Maybe a final follow up move could be done, but then the Blazers would still have a pick plus Scoot and or Sharpe to trade for the 4th starter to pair with Dame/Butler/Grant. Even with no other move that team could be a darkhorse contender such as when CP3 arrived with the Suns.

Obviously the Heat would've never been interested coming off Butler carrying them to the finals. But in theory it would've been a slam dunk deal for the Blazers. Does a great job of showing how ridiculous some of these Heat trade proposals are for an All-NBA level star in Lillard.
 
Nurkic, Grant, Jimmy, Matisse, Lillard?
Sharpe, Scoot, Little … and use that TPE!

That team does some damage for 3 years and then it’s next generation.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Okay, here’s a question, does Jimmy make us a contender? I don’t think that’s a bad trade, but I don’t really see the point. This roster is so bad. It needs so many things. The window for Dame and Jimmy would be so short. I know that trade isn’t at all realistic, but we need an Embiid to pair with Dame. We need a super duper pooper star.
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The singular move wouldn't make Portland a contender. However, it would easily be a net-upgrade from an asset standpoint, so even if you had to pivot in a year, I'd say Portland is in better shape.

No singular move is going to make Portland a contender. Nor is standing pat and staying young.
 
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