Dame asks for trade (And there it is)

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Mediocre Man said:
I think a big part of the reason people loved Dame so much was his loyalty. He basically told the Blazers, and the fans, to some extent, to go fuck themselves. I get the anger, or hurt feelings
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https://www.theplayerstribune.com/articles/damian-lillard-loyalty-over-everything

I’m saying, you think you know how deep this goes, but you have no idea. When I say that I will never, ever switch up on the city of Portland, I mean what I say. When I say that I will never, ever switch up on this organization, I mean what I say.

They might switch up on me. That’s business. That’s basketball. But I will never switch up on the city. I don’t want it easy. I’m drawn to the struggle. When I came here, we hadn’t won a playoff series since 2000. You had so many injuries to franchise guys like Brandon Roy and Greg Oden over the years, and it’s so tough to come back from that. Even going way back, you had All-Stars like Clyde Drexler and Bill Walton who didn’t choose to end their careers as a Blazer.

Well, I’m going to be that. I’m going to carry that. I’m going to bring a ring to this city or go down swinging.
 
THE HCP said:
Funny to me that all this would make somebody hate a player they've loved for so long. That dude put in work for not only this team, but this city. Kinda sad how quickly people turn on somebody who didn't do anything to them personally.
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Its the one team thing and statements such as he never meant loyalty to the city previously only loyalty to himself.

If he just asked for a trade like Durant did fans wouldn't be upset or take it personal.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
I believe they have more than that - maybe you have some cap holds or nonguaranteed amounts in there. In early July they were able to spend most of the full MLE and stay under the tax, and they spent very little since then.
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https://www.spotrac.com/nba/portland-trail-blazers//cap

2023-24 Luxury Tax Totals
Denotes the Trail Blazers current standing in terms of the luxury tax threshold. Teams that spend over the threshold pay fines (estimated below).

TYPE TOTALS
2023 NBA Luxury Tax Threshold $165,294,000
Total Taxable Salaries $161,970,909
Current Luxury Tax Space $3,323,091
 
Mediocre Man said:
Just a guess, but I think he’s hoping the package improves. It has, by the way, Now it’s up to him to accept it or deal with the circus
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If this is the improvement what was it previously? Duncan Robinson and a 2nd rounder?
 
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RR7 said:
https://www.spotrac.com/nba/portland-trail-blazers//cap

2023-24 Luxury Tax Totals
Denotes the Trail Blazers current standing in terms of the luxury tax threshold. Teams that spend over the threshold pay fines (estimated below).

TYPE TOTALS
2023 NBA Luxury Tax Threshold $165,294,000
Total Taxable Salaries $161,970,909
Current Luxury Tax Space $3,323,091
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Hmm perhaps I'm wrong or heard a figure before Thybulle contract was added.
 

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illmatic99 said:
https://www.theplayerstribune.com/articles/damian-lillard-loyalty-over-everything

I’m saying, you think you know how deep this goes, but you have no idea. When I say that I will never, ever switch up on the city of Portland, I mean what I say. When I say that I will never, ever switch up on this organization, I mean what I say.

They might switch up on me. That’s business. That’s basketball. But I will never switch up on the city. I don’t want it easy. I’m drawn to the struggle. When I came here, we hadn’t won a playoff series since 2000. You had so many injuries to franchise guys like Brandon Roy and Greg Oden over the years, and it’s so tough to come back from that. Even going way back, you had All-Stars like Clyde Drexler and Bill Walton who didn’t choose to end their careers as a Blazer.

Well, I’m going to be that. I’m going to carry that. I’m going to bring a ring to this city or go down swinging.
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They, being the front office switched up on Dame. Joe said as much, Joe said they tried to do right by Dame but couldn't get it done and would trade him. To my knowledge Dame hasn't put his newly built compound up for sale. I saw a quote from his mom saying that no matter where Dame was playing Portland would be home.

The front office has been telling Dame for years that they would build a win now team around him. They had him sit when he could have kept playing at an MVP level last season, so they could build a win now team around him. Then they didn't do that. They didn't only select and keep Scoot but they did the same with Kris and they did not unlock future draft picks to use in a trade to get Dame proven help. This shit isn't hard to understand.

I'm not saying it was a bad move by Joe but it was a move that left Dame feeling like he would either look stupid or demand a trade... that's what Dame said on the only podcast he's done since June 6th. You can keep acting like Dame switched things up on us but it was the front office that switched things up on him. That's not an accusation towards Joe, it's just a fact that Joe has readily acknowledged.
 
B-Roy said:
So we are routing Herro to Charlotte and taking on Gordon....for free?

Am I confused?
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Yeah either Charlotte is robbing us - would be better for us to keep Herro regardless of how awkward that is.

Or Miami is still totally lowballing - not even giving up future picks, Jaquez, or Martin.
 
blazerkor said:
They, being the front office switched up on Dame. Joe said as much, Joe said they tried to do right by Dame but couldn't get it done and would trade him. To my knowledge Dame hasn't put his newly built compound up for sale. I saw a quote from his mom saying that no matter where Dame was playing Portland would be home.

The front office has been telling Dame for years that they would build a win now team around him. They had him sit when he could have kept playing at an MVP level last season, so they could build a win now team around him. Then they didn't do that. They didn't only select and keep Scoot but they did the same with Kris and they did not unlock future draft picks to use in a trade to get Dame proven help. This shit isn't hard to understand.

I'm not saying it was a bad move by Joe but it was a move that left Dame feeling like he would either look stupid or demand a trade... that's what Dame said on the only podcast he's done since June 6th. You can keep acting like Dame switched things up on us but it was the front office that switched things up on him. That's not an accusation towards Joe, it's just a fact that Joe has readily acknowledged.
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I don't necessarily disagree with this. Yeah the front office decisions have basically pushed Dame to where he almost had to ask for a trade.

But either don't comment or just man up and say things changed. Never expected or intended to be at this point but here we are.

Don't try and spin it as "I never said I'm loyal to Portland - I've only ever been loyal to myself"

Makes him sound fake and like a sleezy soap opera salesmen.
 
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MMs trade seems to have the Heat taking back 3.4M more than they are allowed. Jaquez's salary would make it work but even before adding Jaquez that trade puts us in the tax. Maybe the package will be around what MM was saying but it can't be what MM said.
 
Only way 2 picks 2 swaps could make sense for the Blazers is if they are both "double swaps" and the picks are each the better of two picks. Something such as;

First swap is Blazers get the best of their own 2027, 2027 Miami or 2027 Charlotte
Second swap is Blazers get the best of their own 2029, 2029 Miami or 2029 Charlotte
Blazers get best of 2028 Miami or 2028 Charlotte - Miami keeps the other
Blazers get best of 2030 Miami or 2030 Charlotte - Charlotte keeps the other

That way Charlotte and Miami each technically only lose a single pick and are free to trade away a pick in another deal.

Doubt the deal would be this creative - but thats only way I can see MM guess being not completely ridiculous from Portland end. I still would not agree to the deal, but this is 10x better than getting all protected picks or something.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
I don't necessarily disagree with this. Yeah the front office decisions have basically pushed Dame to where he almost had to ask for a trade.

But either don't comment or just man up and say things changed. Never expected or intended to be at this point but here we are.

Don't try and spin it as "I never said I'm loyal to Portland - I've only ever been loyal to myself"

Makes him sound fake and like a sleezy soap opera salesmen.
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That's also a misquote. He said, "I've always said I'm loyal to who I am." This isn't the first time he has said that. Just this week he did "man up" and gave an analogy explaining what happened. He said if you made a promise to be loyal to someone and they decided to stop keeping their side of that promise to be loyal that you would be stupid to keep being loyal to that promise that doesn't exist anymore. Here in this podcast a 50 minutes. Nothing sleazy about it. Same shit Dame's been saying.
 
blazerkor said:
MMs trade seems to have the Heat taking back 3.4M more than they are allowed. Jaquez's salary would make it work but even before adding Jaquez that trade puts us in the tax. Maybe the package will be around what MM was saying but it can't be what MM said.
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Did I miss where MM gave an exact package? He listed potentially what we would be getting, but didn't say at all what Miami was sending out.
 
RR7 said:
Did I miss where MM gave an exact package? He listed potentially what we would be getting, but didn't say at all what Miami was sending out.
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I know it's an estimate from MM, it just doesn't make a lot of sense because either Charlotte is getting Herro and possibly Jaquez and only sending us Hayward or Miami is only sending us one pick, swaps and Jovic. The returns he's estimating just don't make sense to me.
 
blazerkor said:
He said, "I've always said I'm loyal to who I am."
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Wtf does that mean? Loyal to who I am?

Dude is so confused.

And did you guys catch him criticizing KD for joining a finals ready roster in GS, remarking he'd never do that? Like how obtuse can you be? Has he forgotten that MIA has been possibly the most successful EC team in the past 5 yrs?
 
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I don't love it, and can see reasons each team doesn't either. But we get a prospect in Jovic. Get an intriguing young C in Richards who is locked in for 3 years at 5 million per year. Add 3 picks, and get out of Nurk's contract. Hayward and Lowry are big expirings. Can be bought out at the deadline to send them to contenders, or, maybe we find a trade for them at the deadline and pull in some 2d round picks. Maybe we use them to take on another team's bad contract to be able to land more picks?

Am guessing Charlotte likely doesn't want to move a pick here, but they add a recent 1st round pick in Jaquez, Little still has potential, and find a long term running mate to Melo in the backcourt in Herro. Richards could be expendable to them, with Mark Williams the future at C for them.

Miami gets their guy, move 2 picks, 2 prospects, and have to take on Nurk.

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Mediocre Man said:
New guess. This gets done before camp

Dame out

Lowry, Jovic, Hayward, 2 picks, 2 swaps in
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So I guess I would have to assume that we would use that $60 million between Lowry and Haywars for a trade around the deadline because other than Claxton I am not sure who would be worth going after in free agency. On top of the fact that we suck in free agency anyway. Love the cap space but I have little confidence that we could do much with it.
 
illmatic99 said:
Wtf does that mean? Loyal to who I am?

Dude is so confused.

And did you guys catch him criticizing KD for joining a finals ready roster in GS, remarking he'd never do that? Like how obtuse can you be? Has he forgotten that MIA has been possibly the most successful EC team in the past 5 yrs?
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KD at least gave multiple teams. Lillard demands ONE team that days prior was playing in the finals. You couldn't make this shit up in a movie and have it be believable. More of a superteam coat rider than any LeBron/KD/AD/Harden/Kyrie/PG/etc.

Dame thumped his chest about his loyalty and underdog way being harder for years and ultimately he's the biggest sell out of them all.

Makes all his former fans feel like idiots for believing his schtick.
 
RR7 said:
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I don't love it, and can see reasons each team doesn't either. But we get a prospect in Jovic. Get an intriguing young C in Richards who is locked in for 3 years at 5 million per year. Add 3 picks, and get out of Nurk's contract. Hayward and Lowry are big expirings. Can be bought out at the deadline to send them to contenders, or, maybe we find a trade for them at the deadline and pull in some 2d round picks. Maybe we use them to take on another team's bad contract to be able to land more picks?

Am guessing Charlotte likely doesn't want to move a pick here, but they add a recent 1st round pick in Jaquez, Little still has potential, and find a long term running mate to Melo in the backcourt in Herro. Richards could be expendable to them, with Mark Williams the future at C for them.

Miami gets their guy, move 2 picks, 2 prospects, and have to take on Nurk.

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Fuck the Hornets in the deal, meaning bring Herro here and lets see if we can flip him for anything, even a second rounder and expirings because we're giving up a first round pick in Jaquez and getting back a protected pick. So basically we're giving Herro away for free... sorry we're paying them with Nas to take Herro.
 
RR7 said:
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I don't love it, and can see reasons each team doesn't either. But we get a prospect in Jovic. Get an intriguing young C in Richards who is locked in for 3 years at 5 million per year. Add 3 picks, and get out of Nurk's contract. Hayward and Lowry are big expirings. Can be bought out at the deadline to send them to contenders, or, maybe we find a trade for them at the deadline and pull in some 2d round picks. Maybe we use them to take on another team's bad contract to be able to land more picks?

Am guessing Charlotte likely doesn't want to move a pick here, but they add a recent 1st round pick in Jaquez, Little still has potential, and find a long term running mate to Melo in the backcourt in Herro. Richards could be expendable to them, with Mark Williams the future at C for them.

Miami gets their guy, move 2 picks, 2 prospects, and have to take on Nurk.

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Miami can't for certain trade 2027 since their 2025 pick is protected and may convey to OKC in 2026.

If Miami instead gives us picks 2028 & 2030, with a 2029 swap all 3 being unprotected ok maybe I consider that. I don't love it and would call around like hell to see what Chicago and other teams can get us, but maybe if that truly is the clear best deal we can get right now we just move on and do it.

This is a significantly better than MM guess because Jacquez goes to Cha for a player coming to us. Yeah I'd consider Nurk to have negative worth too, so Lowry/Gordon expiring's are better.
 
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blazerkor said:
Fuck the Hornets in the deal, meaning bring Herro here and lets see if we can flip him for anything, even a second rounder and expirings because we're giving up a first round pick in Jaquez and getting back a protected pick. So basically we're giving Herro away for free... sorry we're paying them with Nas to take Herro.
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Good argument... yeah we should be able to get more for Herro, even us just keeping one of NAS/Jacquez. Now if pick is only top4 protected, I'm tempted because historically their picks are worth a lot!
 
Boise Blazer said:
So I guess I would have to assume that we would use that $60 million between Lowry and Haywars for a trade around the deadline because other than Claxton I am not sure who would be worth going after in free agency. On top of the fact that we suck in free agency anyway. Love the cap space but I have little confidence that we could do much with it.
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do what OKC does, use that space to help teams get rid of players and/or get out of lux tax hell and get paid for it
 
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