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Amazing how having a superstar or two can make your bench/other players look better than they are.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
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That stat, however it's derived, looks like bullshit. Look at the ratings:

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then compare those numbers to the other impact metrics...

BPM:

Brook Lopez 9.3
Damian Lillard 7.7
Pat Connaughton 2.2
Khris Middleton 0.8
Patrick Beverley 0.5
Jae Crowder -4.3
Malik Beasley -4.9
Bobby Portis -8.2

winshares/48:

Damian Lillard .250
Brook Lopez .213
Khris Middleton .178
Pat Connaughton .132
Patrick Beverley .076
Jae Crowder .051
Malik Beasley -0.036
Bobby Portis -0.057

net rating:

Brook Lopez +25
Pat Connaughton +16
Khris Middleton +12
Damian Lillard +10
Patrick Beverley +2
Jae Crowder -5
Bobby Portis -24
Malik Beasley -27

PER:

Damian Lillard 29.1
Brook Lopez 23.7
Khris Middleton 20.5
Pat Connaughton 15.3
Bobby Portis 11.0
Patrick Beverley 10.8
Jae Crowder 9.7
Malik Beasley 7.0

TS%:

Brook Lopez .717
Damian Lillard .663
Khris Middleton .620
Pat Connaughton .619
Malik Beasley .591
Jae Crowder .444
Bobby Portis .443
Patrick Beverley .442

Portis and Beasely have been disasters on the floor, and Crowder hasn't been much better. But sure...let's get the hate-Dame gang together and blame him for the situation
 

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The Pacers were not scoring on Dame. Siakam actually switched off Dame and Beverly to get Portis a couple times because he could get his shot off. A guard has a better chance to upset the dribble.
 
Apparently Dame is playing on a tight and sore Achilles....not a good thing at all. Doc used him as a decoy in the second half because he can't explode to the rim at all right now. ET nailed it with his tweet
 
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wizenheimer said:
That stat, however it's derived, looks like bullshit. Look at the ratings:

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then compare those numbers to the other impact metrics...

BPM:

Brook Lopez 9.3
Damian Lillard 7.7
Pat Connaughton 2.2
Khris Middleton 0.8
Patrick Beverley 0.5
Jae Crowder -4.3
Malik Beasley -4.9
Bobby Portis -8.2

winshares/48:

Damian Lillard .250
Brook Lopez .213
Khris Middleton .178
Pat Connaughton .132
Patrick Beverley .076
Jae Crowder .051
Malik Beasley -0.036
Bobby Portis -0.057

net rating:

Brook Lopez +25
Pat Connaughton +16
Khris Middleton +12
Damian Lillard +10
Patrick Beverley +2
Jae Crowder -5
Bobby Portis -24
Malik Beasley -27

PER:

Damian Lillard 29.1
Brook Lopez 23.7
Khris Middleton 20.5
Pat Connaughton 15.3
Bobby Portis 11.0
Patrick Beverley 10.8
Jae Crowder 9.7
Malik Beasley 7.0

TS%:

Brook Lopez .717
Damian Lillard .663
Khris Middleton .620
Pat Connaughton .619
Malik Beasley .591
Jae Crowder .444
Bobby Portis .443
Patrick Beverley .442

Portis and Beasely have been disasters on the floor, and Crowder hasn't been much better. But sure...let's get the hate-Dame gang together and blame him for the situation
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Dame is really lazy on defense. Doesn’t try at all.
 
riverman said:
Apparently Dame is playing on a tight and sore Achilles....not a good thing at all. Doc used him as a decoy in the second half because he can't explode to the rim at all right now. ET nailed it with his tweet
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I’ve heard a feeling of tightness is what happens right before Achilles ruptures.
 
MickZagger said:
I’ve heard a feeling of tightness is what happens right before Achilles ruptures.
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It's a relationship, just not a cause and effect relationship. A ruptured Achilles will often be preceded by those symptoms, but the symptoms themselves have little correlation with that outcome.
 
KingSpeed said:
Dame is really lazy on defense. Doesn’t try at all.
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I don't agree with that, but it doesn't matter. Most of those stats I posted were net impact stats factoring both offense and defense. As poor as Dame's defense is, the plus value of his elite offense has always far outpaced the minus value of his defense.
 
Hate to say it but looks like we may have dodged a bullet with Dame given his contract situation and recent injury history.
 
HailBlazers said:
There's simply too many games.
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Back to backs is pointless, never would schedule that if it was a new league creating an NBA schedule with modern players from scratch.

Back when they first created the schedule many basketball players smoked, none of them played with the athleticism or intensity of the modern game.
 
Too many games in middle school, high school, college… too much training, too much pressure. The mileage on players by the time they hit the NBA is closer to a ten year vet from 1984. There’s too much money flowing in and out of the league for it to get better. It will only get worse.
 
I think it's the bizarre traveling schedule more than the 82 games...if they had to win the division before moving up in the playoff competition, the games would mean more during the regular season. The travel would be more sensible one would think anyway
 
Everything Beagle said:
Too many games in middle school, high school, college… too much training, too much pressure. The mileage on players by the time they hit the NBA is closer to a ten year vet from 1984. There’s too much money flowing in and out of the league for it to get better. It will only get worse.
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You just have to take care of your body. Take a rest day every week. Roll out. Make sure your knees and legs are strong and balanced.
 
Everything Beagle said:
Too many games in middle school, high school, college… too much training, too much pressure. The mileage on players by the time they hit the NBA is closer to a ten year vet from 1984. There’s too much money flowing in and out of the league for it to get better. It will only get worse.
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There's a theory that changing sports throughout the year is actually less damage on the body than playing the same sport year round.

I don't understand it, but it kinda makes sense. Repetitive use on the same joints, esp at the repetition these guys do it, isn't good. Sure, you'll get unicorns who last for 15-20 years now-a-days, but most of the guys are usually not unicorns.
 
Is there any point to continue this experiment next season? It sure was bad luck with Gianis and Dame injuries, but will Bucks let them try another season?
 
robson said:
Is there any point to continue this experiment next season? It sure was bad luck with Gianis and Dame injuries, but will Bucks let them try another season?
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Giving up after one isn’t really trying?
New chemistry and a fired coach midway with injuries to all three Middleton Giannis and Lillard didn’t give them much a chance.
 
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