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blazerkor said:
I read this article and thought it was great news. If this treatment can be effective and cortizone injections have proven to be very effective in stimulating healing in soft tissue like diseased tendons, then Dame could come back better than ever. If he's been dealing with this pain for the last three seasons while dominating the league, imagine what he might do pain free.
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...and I read more as, is this really the first fucking time they've tried these injections since 2017!? :dunno:
 
And with a only a week off, he unsurprisingly still looks hurt. This seems like a longer term thing, in which case I feel like we should shut him down to get 100% and we can get a high draft pick to reload this summer.
 
Freshtown said:
And with a only a week off, he unsurprisingly still looks hurt. This seems like a longer term thing, in which case I feel like we should shut him down to get 100% and we can get a high draft pick to reload this summer.
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he had 2 weeks off and I though he was moving better tonight. He just had shitty shot selection, especially in the 2nd half. 11 rebounds and 6 assists though
 
Freshtown said:
And with a only a week off, he unsurprisingly still looks hurt. This seems like a longer term thing, in which case I feel like we should shut him down to get 100% and we can get a high draft pick to reload this summer.
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I agree, we should shut Dame down until an MRI shows that the tendon is no longer damaged. If it fucks this season... oh wait, this season already seems to be fucked. The move only has upside honestly.
 
wizenheimer said:
he had 2 weeks off and I though he was moving better tonight. He just had shitty shot selection, especially in the 2nd half. 11 rebounds and 6 assists though
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Yeah, if he can shoot the ball well in his next outing then he could have just been knocking the rust off but if he's still missing short constantly, I think you've got to sit him until whatever they found on the MRI is completely cleared up.
 
I listened to Dames post game presser and my two posts above this one are just flat out wrong. I believed him completely when he said he feels better than he has in a long time and he said the reason why his shot looked bad is because he was gassed from not playing. He referenced how he was short on threes and free throws and then he said he overcorrected that and was missing off the back iron. He says he'll get his feel back and he's excited for these upcoming games.
 
blazerkor said:
I listened to Dames post game presser and my two posts above this one are just flat out wrong. I believed him completely when he said he feels better than he has in a long time and he said the reason why his shot looked bad is because he was gassed from not playing. He referenced how he was short on threes and free throws and then he said he overcorrected that and was missing off the back iron. He says he'll get his feel back and he's excited for these upcoming games.
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Whew. I was sure Aldo was right.
 
AldoTrapani said:
You gotta trade him soon man.
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There's logic to blowing it up and spending who knows how long trying to hit on a draft pick but we have a team that is in the middle of the pack right now, we have something this franchise has never had (a superstar that is absolutely loyal to the organization, fans, city, etc.), we have never taken a big swing to try and get pieces around him that actually fit we've just stuck him with CJ and told him that's his help for his whole career. So why wouldn't we take that big swing? Why wouldn't we try to get him the absolute best and most complementary pieces around him that we possibly can? In my opinion when a player of Dame's caliber says he wants to spend his whole career with the Blazers and do what Dirk did... you let him. So there is logic to blowing it up but it lacks imagination, it's completely cowardly and it has absolutely no honor.

We have a flawed roster changes need to be made and they can't just be around the margins like they have been in the past... that's what our new GM just said. He said that he's committed to making big moves that get us past the point where we're just making the playoffs and to the point where we're in contention. Look at Steph and look at CP3 both are older than Dame and neither has fallen off. Dame is actually not even at the point where most guys start to make a slow decline... especially not small shooters. What we've been seeing is the result of a nagging injury that had gone untreated an injury that I can't find a time that it has ever derailed a career.

So no, no we don't have to trade Dame soon man. In fact it would be weak and stupid to do so without him asking to be.
 
I hope we just shut him down for the year at this point and let him focus on getting healthy. Our best-case scenario right now is making the play-in. It's just not worth it. I'd rather see us rebuild this year around Nas and Simons and whatever we can trade for CJ and Roco, and hopefully have a 100% Dame next year plus whatever happens with our lottery pick.

Lillard can be an effective threat from deep until he's 40 if he can stay healthy. Not necessarily as a star when he reaches his twilight, but as a Robert Horry kind of role player who can win you a series with timely shooting. But the guy has got to play healthy.
 
Yesterday was the first time the idea of surgery for Dame was openly mentioned. Conversation has always been about managing the pain and reaching a point where it can't get any worse by playing. But Jared Greenberg in a mid-game update on TNT about Dame's injury mentioned that Dame would eventually need it.

If this is the case, do it sooner rather than later. I see no positive in breaking him down further to get an 8th seed.
 
illmatic99 said:
Yesterday was the first time the idea of surgery for Dame was openly mentioned. Conversation has always been about managing the pain and reaching a point where it can't get any worse by playing. But Jared Greenberg in a mid-game update on TNT about Dame's injury mentioned that Dame would eventually need it.

If this is the case, do it sooner rather than later. I see no positive in breaking him down further to get an 8th seed.
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Absolutely!
Shut him down. Fix the roster. Get a draft pick. Let Chauncey get a clue about actually being a coach.
 
illmatic99 said:
Yesterday was the first time the idea of surgery for Dame was openly mentioned. Conversation has always been about managing the pain and reaching a point where it can't get any worse by playing. But Jared Greenberg in a mid-game update on TNT about Dame's injury mentioned that Dame would eventually need it.

If this is the case, do it sooner rather than later. I see no positive in breaking him down further to get an 8th seed.
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Yeah if surgery will fix this, let's get it done. We trade CJ, RoCo and Nurk for the best we can get... take our chances in the lottery and start fresh next season. Depending on the recovery time from the surgery maybe we get Dame some run with the new roster for a little bit at the end of the season.
 
You guys crack me up with the medical advice. Dame's already consulted with a bunch of doctors on this and it sounds like they've finally been able to pinpoint the issue. Dame has said that they've told him that it is about as bad as it could get and he can't hurt it more by playing with the injury, which is why they did the cortisone injection for pain relief purposes. He said it feels fine. I'm sure that he and his doctors have discussed the surgery and how long the recovery period is. If doing it after the season was going to lead to the recovery period running into the start of next season, I'd assume that he would shut it down and get the surgery done immediately. Since that's not happening so far, I'd also assume that the medical advice is that recovering over the summer will be adequate to be ready for next year. There's a whole lot of assuming going on in what I've said, but I guess that the bottom line is that I'm trusting that Dame is getting good medical advice and will make a smart decision.
 
e_blazer said:
You guys crack me up with the medical advice. Dame's already consulted with a bunch of doctors on this and it sounds like they've finally been able to pinpoint the issue. Dame has said that they've told him that it is about as bad as it could get and he can't hurt it more by playing with the injury, which is why they did the cortisone injection for pain relief purposes. He said it feels fine. I'm sure that he and his doctors have discussed the surgery and how long the recovery period is. If doing it after the season was going to lead to the recovery period running into the start of next season, I'd assume that he would shut it down and get the surgery done immediately. Since that's not happening so far, I'd also assume that the medical advice is that recovering over the summer will be adequate to be ready for next year. There's a whole lot of assuming going on in what I've said, but I guess that the bottom line is that I'm trusting that Dame is getting good medical advice and will make a smart decision.
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If you're looking for fantastic medical advice, wait till you see this: http://www.sportstwo.com/posts/5279592/
 
I believe they said he would need another shot in March.

But yeah, sounds like he will have surgery in the summer.

I would assume that means he will be back in time for camp or games.
 
Do we have chemistry issues? Feel like this team is most disconnected of any team we’ve had in Years.

Regardless we need a shakeup
 
Predator said:
I believe they said he would need another shot in March.

But yeah, sounds like he will have surgery in the summer.

I would assume that means he will be back in time for camp or games.
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Those who are concerned about Dame can take heart. Omicron is likely to shut down the league anyway!
 
e_blazer said:
Those who are concerned about Dame can take heart. Omicron is likely to shut down the league anyway!
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Omicron might be a blessing. A lesser variant that will help with immunity. Also not to make light of it but we should be lottery team if they shut down league for remainder of year
 
e_blazer said:
You guys crack me up with the medical advice. Dame's already consulted with a bunch of doctors on this and it sounds like they've finally been able to pinpoint the issue. Dame has said that they've told him that it is about as bad as it could get and he can't hurt it more by playing with the injury, which is why they did the cortisone injection for pain relief purposes. He said it feels fine. I'm sure that he and his doctors have discussed the surgery and how long the recovery period is. If doing it after the season was going to lead to the recovery period running into the start of next season, I'd assume that he would shut it down and get the surgery done immediately. Since that's not happening so far, I'd also assume that the medical advice is that recovering over the summer will be adequate to be ready for next year. There's a whole lot of assuming going on in what I've said, but I guess that the bottom line is that I'm trusting that Dame is getting good medical advice and will make a smart decision.
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regardless of medical advise, is it not clearly evident that Dame is a shell of himself though? Do you think that is all because of the new scheme, ball etc?
Dame is as tough as it gets. He wont let on how much its affecting him. He's not about excuses.
But this team is ass with him playing like he is. Guys like him need others around him to yank the reigns. Its why Dame is Dame and we all love him.
Toughest guy to ever wear the pinwheel.
Even without further injury, he needs to get right to have any chance of doing anything more.

Sit him, tank, use the pick and cj and whoever, to go after that second star.
 
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Orion Bailey said:
regardless of medical advise, is it not clearly evident that Dame is a shell of himself? Do you think that is all because of the new scheme, ball etc?
Dame is as tough as it gets. He wont let on how much its affecting him. He's not about excuses.
But this team is ass with him playing like he is. Guys like him need others around him to yank the reigns. Its why Dame is Dame and we all love him.
Toughest guy to ever wear the pinwheel.
Even without further injury, he needs to get right to have any chance of doing anything more.

Sit him, tank, use the pick and cj and whoever, to go after that second star.
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No it’s not clear. I see a guy who missed a bunch of games and is not yet back in game shape. He was obviously gassed at the end of the last game. He missed shots and free throws at the end of the game that he normally would hit. If he hits a couple of those, the Blazers win.
 
e_blazer said:
No it’s not clear. I see a guy who missed a bunch of games and is not yet back in game shape. He was obviously gassed at the end of the last game. He missed shots and free throws at the end of the game that he normally would hit. If he hits a couple of those, the Blazers win.
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Hmm. possibly just rust and lack of endurance, but Dames work ethic is good enough to not lose much endurance over a five game lapse. Twenty game lapse? Sure.
He just doesn't seem right and thats more of an overall picture. Not just last night.
im just not sure wearing Dame down to get a first round exit is worth it at this point in his career. Id rather see him get the surgery, sit the season, tank like a mofo and nail a top three pick.
Go after paulo
Trade cj and roco for cap relief and a solid bench player.
Resign nurk

Dame/smith jr?
Norm/Simons
Little/??
Nance jr/paulo
Nurk/???

With the right bench help, i like that starting linup and we have a new younger core of Paulo/Simons/Little if it doesnt work. Trade Dame and Nurk for pick and go full on rebuild around those three.
 
Orion Bailey said:
Hmm. possibly just rust and lack of endurance, but Dames work ethic is good enough to not lose much endurance over a five game lapse. Twenty game lapse? Sure.
He just doesn't seem right and thats more of an overall picture. Not just last night.
im just not sure wearing Dame down to get a first round exit is worth it at this point in his career. Id rather see him get the surgery, sit the season, tank like a mofo and nail a top three pick.
Go after paulo
Trade cj and roco for cap relief and a solid bench player.
Resign nurk

Dame/smith jr?
Norm/Simons
Little/??
Nance jr/paulo
Nurk/???

With the right bench help, i like that starting linup and we have a new younger core of Paulo/Simons/Little if it doesnt work. Trade Dame and Nurk for pick and go full on rebuild around those three.
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two words: Not Happening. I understand the thought process, but it goes against everything that Damian Lillard is as a player and a man. As long as there’s a chance, he’s fighting to win. There may come a time in the season where tanking becomes the only option because there’s an injury or just no way to make the playoffs. This isn’t that time.
 
e_blazer said:
two words: Not Happening. I understand the thought process, but it goes against everything that Damian Lillard is as a player and a man. As long as there’s a chance, he’s fighting to win. There may come a time in the season where tanking becomes the only option because there’s an injury or just no way to make the playoffs. This isn’t that time.
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Well right. Thats kinda what i said in the other reply. Thats why someone has to force him to do it now. He will be thankful in the long rum when were a contender next year.
Think San Antonio losing Robinson for a year and nailing Duncan.
If we wait, then tanking moves us from 12 to 8 or something. Not enough of a chance to get an impact player unless we can move that up in the draft to get a guy like Paulo. And id rather lose games to move up, then have to trade assets to move up.

I know its a long shot, but every game i watch the more i think this is the best path.
 
Orion Bailey said:
Well right. Thats kinda what i said in the other reply. Thats why someone has to force him to do it now. He will be thankful in the long rum when were a contender next year.
Think San Antonio losing Robinson for a year and nailing Duncan.
If we wait, then tanking moves us from 12 to 8 or something. Not enough of a chance to get an impact player unless we can move that up in the draft to get a guy like Paulo. And id rather lose games to move up, then have to trade assets to move up.

I know its a long shot, but every game i watch the more i think this is the best path.
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The guy you get with the pick isn’t likely to be a major contributor in Dame’s window. I want to see a trade for someone who is and be in a position for that to show fruit in this season’s playoffs.
 
e_blazer said:
The guy you get with the pick isn’t likely to be a major contributor in Dame’s window. I want to see a trade for someone who is and be in a position for that to show fruit in this season’s playoffs.
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Top three pick is a better trade chip than 8-12.
 
Orion Bailey said:
Top three pick is a better trade chip than 8-12.
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1. No guarantee that you get a top-3 pick.
2. I’m talking about a trade before the deadline, whether it’s CJ for Simmons or something else of similar magnitude. I don’t want to give up on the season until we know that kind of deal isn’t going to happen.
 
e_blazer said:
1. No guarantee that you get a top-3 pick.
2. I’m talking about a trade before the deadline, whether it’s CJ for Simmons or something else of similar magnitude. I don’t want to give up on the season until we know that kind of deal isn’t going to happen.
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i think the season has been given up after last night…
 
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