Dame Trades Thread

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WesleyMatthews said:
Sure, but the Magic aren't giving up half their assets for a player that doesn't want to be there.
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Maybe Orlando feels confident they can lure other free agents if they have Dame? They made this play before and it might have worked out if Grant Hill hadn't been completely broken.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I will say this, I love Dame, he is my favorite Blazer of all time, but we got screwed over the last time we dealt a superstar to his preferred destination out of loyalty. And what did we get out of it? A kick in the teeth when that douche wore the other teams jacket in his 50 greatest ceremony. Fuck that. I'm loyal to the Blazers. Not to any of the players. I'd like to see a championship in my lifetime. You take the best deal.
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I agree that you take the best deal but you take it from a team where Dame will be OK. You don't do it because of a sense of loyalty to Dame or to stay in the good graces of agents... you do it because no team in their right mind will trade away all of their assets for a disgruntled superstar who will demand they trade him as well. So if Dame says it's the Lakers only, you kindly tell him he can fuck himself and expand that list... by a lot.

I honestly think that one of two very clear messages needs to be sent to every GM in the league. Either we're trading Dame now because we want to and his value isn't diminished or Dame is not at all on the table and we'd let him sit before we traded him.

If Dame is on the market then the trade to make is to Philly for Simmons, either Shake or Thybulle, their pick this year and three other firsts that will likely be at the very end of the round. Then Dame is off the table and the Knicks will likely take CJ for their picks this year and possibly another first in the future. Then you move our other two starters for young players and/or picks.

If Dame is off the market then Philly can decide if they want CJ and a bunch of picks or Toronto or Detroit can decide if they want what the Knicks would give up for CJ plus a bunch of picks from us. The fact is if Dame is off the market we should be able to add Simmons, Siakam or Grant by leveraging our draft future and giving up CJ. All of that hinges on it being clear that Dame is not on the market at all.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Maybe Orlando feels confident they can lure other free agents if they have Dame? They made this play before and it might have worked out if Grant Hill hadn't been completely broken.
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Not to mention they retain Isaac, Hampton, Wendell Carter Jr. and Okeke -- arguably all better talents than those included in the package. A lineup of Dame, Hampton, Isaac, Okeke and Carter with the Florida tax codes and weather could quickly become a thing in the east.
 
blazerkor said:
I agree that you take the best deal but you take it from a team where Dame will be OK. You don't do it because of a sense of loyalty to Dame or to stay in the good graces of agents... you do it because no team in their right mind will trade away all of their assets for a disgruntled superstar who will demand they trade him as well. So if Dame says it's the Lakers only, you kindly tell him he can fuck himself and expand that list... by a lot.
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Only one definition of "best". No point in arguing who would or wouldn't make an offer and what it would or wouldn't look like -- that's stuff we have no control or visibility into. If its this offseason, it's 100% rip-the-band-aid-off, best offer from any/all comers, regardless of their situation. It's not our job to make sure a team is being realistic about what they can do with the best PG in the game added to their roster. If a shitty team wants to offer us the moon, so be it.
 
glazeduck said:
Only one definition of "best". No point in arguing who would or wouldn't make an offer and what it would or wouldn't look like -- that's stuff we have no control or visibility into. If its this offseason, it's 100% rip-the-band-aid-off, best offer from any/all comers, regardless of their situation. It's not our job to make sure a team is being realistic about what they can do with the best PG in the game added to their roster. If a shitty team wants to offer us the moon, so be it.
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Right, if teams were actually stupid enough to take a guy who said he didn't want to be there, had no loyalty to them and therefore would consider sitting... then yeah we would just take the best offer. I'm just saying that Houston wasn't being charitable when they sent Harden to the Nets. When Harden gave his list of teams, offers weren't coming in from other teams... otherwise Harden would be on one of those teams because Houston ownership doesn't give a fuck.
 
B-Roy said:
not possible due to the simple fact that the magic roster is even worse than ours after the deal. No chance Dame would agree to that.
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Does Dame have no trade clause in his contract if not then he know leverage where he goes.
 
wizenheimer said:
why would Orlando do that after recently committing to a full rebuild?
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glazeduck said:
Not to mention they retain Isaac, Hampton, Wendell Carter Jr. and Okeke -- arguably all better talents than those included in the package. A lineup of Dame, Hampton, Isaac, Okeke and Carter with the Florida tax codes and weather could quickly become a thing in the east.
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There are things I've been told re the Orlando situation that leads me to believe they would jump at adding Dame to the remaining young talent they have.

James lamphear said:
Does Dame have no trade clause in his contract if not then he know leverage where he goes.
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No. It was a surprise when his contract was announced, but he did not have a 'no-trade' clause included.
 
Just curious this may be the single biggest turning point in franchise history. Two options here Dame stays and we continue to try and put pieces around him. Or option two we trade him at his peak and get max value for him potentially setting the team up for the next 10 years (young talented player coming back plus 4-5 years of draft picks). As bad as this seems things could be worse.

Love Dame one of my all time favorites but we need to make sound business decision and not an emotional one. Again this is only if we can’t build a contending team around him then I’d make the trade now, then I’d fire Neil right afterwards lol
 
If Lillard does eventually want out I’d want to get a young guy on the brink of becoming a star and a top 5 pick with multiple future picks. It would probably not be the destination Lillard would want to go to, so a 3rd team would have to be involved.
 
MickZagger said:
If Lillard does eventually want out I’d want to get a young guy on the brink of becoming a star and a top 5 pick with multiple future picks. It would probably not be the destination Lillard would want to go to, so a 3rd team would have to be involved.
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GS-Wiseman
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That’s a couple of players along with picks that would be decent? But again, and this is sincere, if he wants out, fuck where he wants to go and take the best offer
 
1 Eye Jack said:
Franchise owes him more respect than that
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They owe respect your right but it's also business to get the best deal for your franchise. Star player shouldn't get chose where they want go but want they need to do to live up to the contract they sign with that team. If they want leave after the contract so be it that's if the team doesn't want to trade. I fill like that for every supposed superstar not just Dame. But hopefully Dame don't ask for a trade so that we can stop talking about it.
 
blazedanugz said:
you mean those guys and 3 1sts?
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I’ll take those 3 guys and number 10 overall. Ship CJ for Ben and the future looks bright.

Davion Mitchell(#10)/Simons
Powell/KAW
Ingram/Nas
Simmons/RoCo
Nurk/Hayes

We’d be a few years away and Powell and RoCo would need to be flipped for assets that fit the new timeline. I’d rather win a title with Dame but we could do worse.
 
Fez Forthright said:


Hey @Rastapopoulos it’s Barry Bondz.
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So looking at what NOLA has to offer, that deal would probably look like Ingram, Hayes, the #10 pick, the better 2022 first rounder out of theirs and the Lakers and then the same thing the better 2023 first rounder between them and the Lakers. That's if Olshey is complete chicken shit and doesn't want a superstar that is going to put pressure on him to win.

I think at that point you get the best deal you can for CJ only taking back young talent and/or picks, you get younger by trading RoCo as well for youth or picks (You might offer CJ and RoCo for Simmons I saw on some Philly blogs that they thought that would be a good deal for them).

I think at 27 Nurk would be a coin flip decision on whether you'd want to go younger and/or get picks for him but if your bringing on Hayes, you're probably shopping Nurk as well. If I did trade Nurk I'd try to send him to OKC with the #10 pick for pick #6 and #16. I'd draft Moody at 6 and Isaiah Jackson at 16.

We'd have the full MLE so we could probably pick up two young players like Dennis Smith Jr. and Giannis's brother Kostas even though they're both restricted I don't think their current teams will go higher that 4M per season on them.

If Olshey wants to give himself more time and be a total asshole a young rotation of Ant, Moody, Ingram, Simmons, Hayes, Nas, DJ, Jackson, Smith Jr. and Antetokounmpo would be young enough that if they underachieved he'd have a built in excuse but talented enough to overachieve for which Olshey would take the credit.
 
If engaged means N. Orleans called NeO and made an offer and Neo laughed and said thanks for the call but No thanks but until a Woj or someone mentions this i am going to file this under same place I put the rumor of Dame going to NeO and asking for a trade -- aka Trash Bin
 
WesleyMatthews said:
If we could trade Dame for a younger Brown and Tatum, plus hopefully surround them with better starters than Boston did, a new Blazers roster could be a contender as they've never been with Dame.
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c'mon man...Brown was a #3 pick in 2016; Tatum was a #3 pick the following year. No team that ends up with Dame will be trading two consecutive top-3 picks for him. At least not in the first 4-5 years after the trade. That's completely unrealistic...pie-in-the-sky wishful thinking

the only way anything like you imagine would happen is if after trading Dame, the Blazers traded every other player over 23 years old and absolutely sucked for 3 or 4 seasons. Then, they might have a couple of top-3 picks.
 
What I hope is they are really talking about the "other " Guard and that's all I will say in this thread
 
Delusional Laker Fan :rotfl:overrating their dumpster refuge.
 
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