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Natebishop3 said:
The transfer portal and NIL have ruined college sports.
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I disagree...strongly

what happened, finally, is that the SCOTUS tore away the absolute phony label of amateur sports the NCAA hid behind for decades. The only way the system survived as long as it did is because all sides operated as if the NCAA, and all the member institutions, had an anti-trust exemption. And of course, the athletes had no say and no power because they were just the equipment. The courts finally said no

what's laughable is that as soon as the athletes tilted the equation just a little ways in their favor, and gained a little power of their own in the form of NIL and the transfer portal, the whole house of cards came tumbling down. That's because the foundation was rotten to the core
 
wizenheimer said:
I disagree...strongly

what happened, finally, is that the SCOTUS tore away the absolute phony label of amateur sports the NCAA hid behind for decades. The only way the system survived as long as it did is because all sides operated as if the NCAA, and all the member institutions, had an anti-trust exemption. And of course, the athletes had no say and no power because they were just the equipment. The courts finally said no

what's laughable is that as soon as the athletes tilted the equation just a little ways in their favor, and gained a little power of their own in the form of NIL and the transfer portal, the whole house of cards came tumbling down. That's because the foundation was rotten to the core
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You have to admit it's making the strongest programs stronger and the less prominent programs weaker.
 
wizenheimer said:
I disagree...strongly

what happened, finally, is that the SCOTUS tore away the absolute phony label of amateur sports the NCAA hid behind for decades. The only way the system survived as long as it did is because all sides operated as if the NCAA, and all the member institutions, had an anti-trust exemption. And of course, the athletes had no say and no power because they were just the equipment. The courts finally said no

what's laughable is that as soon as the athletes tilted the equation just a little ways in their favor, and gained a little power of their own in the form of NIL and the transfer portal, the whole house of cards came tumbling down. That's because the foundation was rotten to the core
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Sure, it's all because of a rotten foundation. I'm sure that if the NBA suddenly had no contracts and no salary cap, and every offseason were just undeterred free agency, its "foundation" would keep it from becoming a complete spitshow.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Sure, it's all because of a rotten foundation. I'm sure that if the NBA suddenly had no contracts and no salary cap, and every offseason were just undeterred free agency, its "foundation" would keep it from becoming a complete spitshow.
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don't buy the comparison, sorry...the NBA has an anti-trust exemption. The NCAA doesn't but has acted like they have for decades. That's the rot in the foundation and the courts finally said no more

I don't get the "no contracts" stuff. NCAA athletes haven't had contracts from their universities and still don't. Just scholarships. And the NBA has no control over their players NIL deals. And their players are free to pursue any NIL deals with almost no exceptions

I'll say it again...all it took was the players having a little bit of freedom via the transfer portal, and a little bit of compensation in the form of NIL, and apparently the NCAA is having trouble surviving

by the way, the NLRB has, or is in the process, of filing a lawsuit against USC, the Pac-12, and the NCAA saying that the players are employees and all those institutions have been profiting off of the situation illegally. The lawsuit is confined to private universities which is probably political and practical. If successful, the players will be considered employees with the right to unionize. The worms in the can though are if the players are employees, then free tuition in the form of scholarships becomes taxable compensation. Good luck with that one NLRB
 
Fairly-Hard said:
You have to admit it's making the strongest programs stronger and the less prominent programs weaker.
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lol...welcome to capitalism. Besides, that was happening anyway

I think Kroeger now owns Safeway, Albertson's, and Fred Meyer....strong get stronger
 
Fairly-Hard said:
You have to admit it's making the strongest programs stronger and the less prominent programs weaker.
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As was predicted every time someone talked about paying college athletes. None of this has been surprising.
 
Early signing day is tomorrow! I always love the excitement around the transition from one level of sports to the next be it HS to D1 or the various drafts. While I was truly bummed to see Moore go, predictions are trending that Oregon is going to land another highly ranked QB flipping Baylor commit Austin Novosad. They've a pretty stacked class expected to sign and are still in on some big prospects. Woot woot! Go Ducks!

https://n.rivals.com/content/athletes/austin-novosad-281164?view=pv

STOMP
 
Fairly-Hard said:
My point. College should not be run by capitalism. That was the point.
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The Div 1 football model being tied to higher education is such an odd fit. It was a pure thing at one time, but that was decades ago.

The NCAA really screwed this up by having zero wiggle room and insisting players couldn't get paid. Had they conceded in the slightest, SCOTUS would've never got involved.
 
STOMP said:
Early signing day is tomorrow! I always love the excitement around the transition from one level of sports to the next be it HS to D1 or the various drafts. While I was truly bummed to see Moore go, predictions are trending that Oregon is going to land another highly ranked QB flipping Baylor commit Austin Novosad. They've a pretty stacked class expected to sign and are still in on some big prospects. Woot woot! Go Ducks!

https://n.rivals.com/content/athletes/austin-novosad-281164?view=pv

STOMP
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And a 4* CB flipping. AND 5* DL Matayo Uiagalelei... buckle up.

 
Tince said:
And a 4* CB flipping. AND 5* DL Matayo Uiagalelei... buckle up.
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They just landed a solid looking OLman from the portal via University of Texas... Junior Angilau. Regurgitation what I read... he was a high 4* when he came out of HS (link below) & had 34 starts for UT. He missed all of 2022 due to a torn ACL. He has at least one year of eligibility left though he probably could successfully petition for a 2nd as a medical Redshirt. They're losing a bunch of OLineman so this is a great start to addressing that need.

https://n.rivals.com/content/athletes/junior-angilau-184472?view=pv

STOMP
 
Fairly-Hard said:
My point. College should not be run by capitalism. That was the point.
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it ain't college...it's college football which is essentially professional NFL developmental league where the coaches make millions

Tickets to the games aren't free and uniforms cost money. Media is signing billion dollar deals with conferences so you can what games on your TV. All that is 'running' the business and has been for decades....capitalism at work, both the good and the bad

I am just not one of those people upset that players are finally getting a real piece of the pie rather than the crumbs on the floor
 
Natebishop3 said:
I can't read that article :sigh:
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I won't copy and paste since it's paywall material but I'll summarize:

* several crystal balls now for Oregon to flip 4 star QB Austin Novosad from Baylor. He's been chased pretty hard by Ohio State and Notre Dame. But Oregon's new OC coached Novosad in HS and knows his family, and vice versa

* two or three crystal balls predicting 5-star DLinemen Matayo Uiagalelei will sign with the Ducks. Oregon has been in a 3 team battle with USC and Ohio State and it's looking like the Ducks might pull an upset

* there seems to be a lot of positive buzz that Oregon might flip 5-star safety Peyton Bowen from Notre Dame. The Ducks are in a dogfight with the irish and Oklahoma but might have edged into the lead late

* lots of momentum behind the rumors Oregon might flip 4-star RB Jayden Limar from Notre Dame, and 4 star CB Daylen Austin from LSU

* Oregon appears to have a lead on signing 4-star DLineman Ashton Porter from the state of Texas. He won't sign until Jan 7 (at the shrine game)

* Ducks are still in it for 5-star state of Texas DL David Hicks, but probably a long shot. It seems like he wants Oregon but his dad especially is pushing real hard for Texas A&M

* Ducks appear to be leading for transfer portal OT Ajani Cornelius, who is rated as the current 3rd best player in the transfer portals. That would be a huge addition coupled with the signing of another transfer OL from UTexas, Junior Angilau. Ducks need to replace a lot of talent on the OLine
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here's where I show my cynicism. I've been told that the Ducks had earmarked a substantial NIL package for Dante Moore. Very substantial. But UCLA bid more, maybe quite a bit more. In any event, Moore's flip opened brought back lots of money into the NIL pool. Put that fact together with the Ducks apparently having developed a tsunami of late momentum in recruiting, and it may be that 2+2 = great signing day
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something else I want to add. There is an NCAA rule that a new coach has 18 months to restructure his scholarship roster. In other words, he can pull scholarships and chase player opening up roster spots and available scholarships. That goes a long way in explaining the outgoing Duck players in the transfer portal the last 2 cycles. Most of them were not impactful players
 
Peyton Bowen would be a huge get. 5 star safeties are hard to come by. Novosad would be nice consolation prize for Moore.

Losing Moore might not be the worst thing to happen .
 
MickZagger said:
Peyton Bowen would be a huge get. 5 star safeties are hard to come by.
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of the 5*s, it sounds like Oregon is going to be on the outside looking in at the end of the day. Proctor flipped to Bama, Hicks expected to end up with TAMU, Bowen to Oklahoma.

Longtime verbal CB Presley is expected to flip to Washington but would be offset by Daylon Austin flipping from LSU. Landing Matayo would be a huge get as with DJ Johnson graduating, Oregon is in need of a dominant DE to provide a consistent pass rush.

STOMP
 
STOMP said:
Early morning signed LOI commitments include WR Jurrion Dickey and QB Austin Novosad... great start!
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The list I referred to in passing along this info has been edited and now does not include Dickey as having signed yet... I've no reason to think this is a sign of trouble ahead more that an error was made. However, many of the verbals have put pen to paper making it official including my fav DT A'Mauri Washington. That kid is middle of the Line beast.

STOMP
 
STOMP said:
of the 5*s, it sounds like Oregon is going to be on the outside looking in at the end of the day. Proctor flipped to Bama, Hicks expected to end up with TAMU, Bowen to Oklahoma.

Longtime verbal CB Presley is expected to flip to Washington but would be offset by Daylon Austin flipping from LSU. Landing Matayo would be a huge get as with DJ Johnson graduating, Oregon is in need of a dominant DE to provide a consistent pass rush.

STOMP
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Bowen just committed to Oregon
 
Let’s see what they can turn this defense into with some of Lanning’s guys
 
MickZagger said:
I’m starting to think if Moore didn’t go to UCLA we wouldn’t be landing these defensive studs
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I saw some message board chatter that Bowen had $2m offered by others … so I’m thinking Moore leaving opened up some space in the checkbook for all of this…

Probably for the best!

(Although I do have some skepticism towards $2m offer for a safety.)
 
Predator said:
I saw some message board chatter that Bowen had $2m offered by others … so I’m thinking Moore leaving opened up some space in the checkbook for all of this…

Probably for the best!

(Although I do have some skepticism towards $2m offer for a safety.)
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Wait. So the rules have changed so much that a college freshman safety now is making $2 million a year? Is that what I’m reading?
 
Fairly-Hard said:
Wait. So the rules have changed so much that a college freshman safety now is making $2 million a year? Is that what I’m reading?
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I think it was Kirk Herbstreit, or somebody like him who said: "when you hear a rumor of how much NIL a recruit got, divide by at least 5". Probably a good rule of thumb unless it's a QB
 
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