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handiman said:
Scoot's play is reminiscent of mood swings. He shows in flashes that he can be a great finisher and fairly pure shooter, but then he air balls a layup or badly clangs several jumpers in a row, or throws the laziest of passes. I think it all comes down to focus. Billups has to figure out how to get Scoot to stay in attack mode while running the offense in controlled fashion, so he doesn't continue having those careless stretches.
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He seems to have lost some of his intensity and drive and energy. They probably told him to slow down but he needs to learn to go fast AND make the right decisions.
 
Natebishop3 said:
This thread is gonna be funny....

Several good games: Hey maybe I was wrong!?!?

Several bad games: No I was right!

Several good games: Wait.... maybe I WAS wrong?
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If people just let the process happen and gave the kid a chance and we're patient, it would be a better place. But noooooo. Lots of folks want to say he is garbage and other folks want to pound their chest after 1 good game pwning the haters.

Honestly I hate it when people say "eat some crow haters" after we win one meaningless game and he has a good game. Because it just throws gas onto the fire for no reason.
 
AldoTrapani said:


National media even thinks this dude is garbage
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Posting his overall stats is so disingenuous. He's playing fewer minutes. Taking fewer shots. He's not starting. That's a horseshit take.

Has he been inconsistent? Yes.

But his stats ARE better overall.

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Natebishop3 said:
Posting his overall stats is so disingenuous. He's playing fewer minutes. Taking fewer shots. He's not starting. That's a horseshit take.

Has he been inconsistent? Yes.

But his stats ARE better overall.

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yeah, he's probably marginally better this season, and contrary to whatshisname, he's coming off the bench, playing more with backups, and still having issues with Simons. I'd wonder if assigning a 20 year old PG the role of backup PG, locks him into a style of play that might not be the best for him

anyway, I guess I'm coming across as a Scoot defender lately. The thing is I've ratcheted down my expectations for Scoot a long ways from what they were before last season started. I am very skeptical he'll ever be an elite player. In fact, I'm skeptical he'd ever make an all-star game but it's pretty early to make that claim

Scoot is saddled with the same issue all the young guys are saddled with: playing with a dysfunctional roster that has rotations that don't make any fucking sense. The Blazers are featuring Simons-Ayton-Grant. Those guys dominate usage, shots, and minutes. Portland averages 90.5 FGA/game and that trio averages 46 FGA/game. More than half (51%). And considering that those 3 have sat out most the 4thQ's in about half of the games, their dominance of opportunities, that IMO should be going to others, is even more pronounced than the 51%
 
Natebishop3 said:
Define elite?
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Let’s go with at least one-all star appearance

Id actually consider elite all-nba team appearances but that seems a bit lofty

edit: btw this same conversation extends to Shaedon, although his injury history complicates things slightly
 
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Predator said:
Let’s go with at least one-all star appearance

Id actually consider elite all-nba team appearances but that seems a bit lofty

edit: btw this same conversation extends to Shaedon, although his injury history complicates things slightly
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Honestly I wouldn't say one All-Star nod is elite. I'd say All-NBA is a better barometer. I think Scoot could still make an All-Star team. I'd have to go back and look, but I think I said last fall that I see Shaedon as more the superstar caliber player and Scoot being a borderline All-Star but also being the engine of the team. I'm still hopeful he can achieve that.
 
wizenheimer said:
yeah, he's probably marginally better this season, and contrary to whatshisname, he's coming off the bench, playing more with backups, and still having issues with Simons. I'd wonder if assigning a 20 year old PG the role of backup PG, locks him into a style of play that might not be the best for him

anyway, I guess I'm coming across as a Scoot defender lately. The thing is I've ratcheted down my expectations for Scoot a long ways from what they were before last season started. I am very skeptical he'll ever be an elite player. In fact, I'm skeptical he'd ever make an all-star game but it's pretty early to make that claim

Scoot is saddled with the same issue all the young guys are saddled with: playing with a dysfunctional roster that has rotations that don't make any fucking sense. The Blazers are featuring Simons-Ayton-Grant. Those guys dominate usage, shots, and minutes. Portland averages 90.5 FGA/game and that trio averages 46 FGA/game. More than half (51%). And considering that those 3 have sat out most the 4thQ's in about half of the games, their dominance of opportunities, that IMO should be going to others, is even more pronounced than the 51%
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Yeah, is he much better than last season? Definitely not, but for someone to say that he hasn't shown ANY progress is bullshit. The stats don't back that up at all.
 
wizenheimer said:
the dozen games at the end of last season when Simons didn't play

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averaged 17 & 8 while shooting 41% on three's. The turnovers were ugly but he's cut down on them, a little, this season
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Again this is comparing to a last ditch tank set of games that he had carte blanch. Seriously Scooot has not improved much at all. Time for a bunch to realize this year is another learning year and he might not be a great pick. Good kid but maybe not worth the #3 and losing Lillard?
 
kjironman1 said:
Again this is comparing to a last ditch tank set of games that he had carte blanch. Seriously Scooot has not improved much at all. Time for a bunch to realize this year is another learning year and he might not be a great pick. Good kid but maybe not worth the #3 and losing Lillard?
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I'm not arguing with those observations. Just making a circumstantial case for some hope. It's not like anybody taken after Scoot is standing out from the crowd
 
Natebishop3 said:
Posting his overall stats is so disingenuous. He's playing fewer minutes. Taking fewer shots. He's not starting. That's a horseshit take.

Has he been inconsistent? Yes.

But his stats ARE better overall.

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I wouldn’t even bother replying to Aldo, dude is a borderline troll and nothing good ever comes out of his mouth.

More people should just ignore his posts personally
 
wizenheimer said:
I'm not arguing with those observations. Just making a circumstantial case for some hope. It's not like anybody taken after Scoot is standing out from the crowd
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Amen is still looking really nice. That's the only guy I would say you could have taken instead. His high end outcome is elite role player though. I still have high hopes for Scoot. He needs more reps. More playing with the ball in his hands. What the organization is doing to him right now is an absolute disservice. Hope they move Ant sooner rather than later.
 
sheed30 said:
I wouldn’t even bother replying to Aldo, dude is a borderline troll and nothing good every comes out of his mouth.

More people should just ignore his posts personally
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I don't care about him. I'm replying to that stupid tweet.
 
wizenheimer said:
yeah, he's probably marginally better this season, and contrary to whatshisname, he's coming off the bench, playing more with backups, and still having issues with Simons. I'd wonder if assigning a 20 year old PG the role of backup PG, locks him into a style of play that might not be the best for him

anyway, I guess I'm coming across as a Scoot defender lately. The thing is I've ratcheted down my expectations for Scoot a long ways from what they were before last season started. I am very skeptical he'll ever be an elite player. In fact, I'm skeptical he'd ever make an all-star game but it's pretty early to make that claim

Scoot is saddled with the same issue all the young guys are saddled with: playing with a dysfunctional roster that has rotations that don't make any fucking sense. The Blazers are featuring Simons-Ayton-Grant. Those guys dominate usage, shots, and minutes. Portland averages 90.5 FGA/game and that trio averages 46 FGA/game. More than half (51%). And considering that those 3 have sat out most the 4thQ's in about half of the games, their dominance of opportunities, that IMO should be going to others, is even more pronounced than the 51%
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Look at Billups’ 2nd year stats. Or even Giannis. Both Finals MVP. Scoot was ranked high in the draft for a reason. Patience.
 
Phatguysrule said:
It's almost like he's a very young and inexperienced player learning a very important and difficult position at the highest level in the world...
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Nope, conventional wisdom usually misses the mark. That would explain poor to mediocre overall play, not wild swings between All-Star potential and fringe rotational player. It's in his head, not his developing grasp of the game.

I feel like the same excuses were made for Zach Collins' early struggles: young and inexperienced, trying to learn the difficult big man game. The good ones figure it out quickly.

UKRAINEFAN said:
He seems to have lost some of his intensity and drive and energy. They probably told him to slow down but he needs to learn to go fast AND make the right decisions.
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Exactly. He's lackadaisical when he slows down. And let's be honest, Billups was the king of methodical point guard play, so Scoot might be learning from the wrong guy. But, I'm about as confident that Scoot is the long-term answer as I am about Billups, so I'm not sure which of the two to lean on going forward.
 
handiman said:
Nope, conventional wisdom usually misses the mark. That would explain poor to mediocre overall play, not wild swings between All-Star potential and fringe rotational player. It's in his head, not his developing grasp of the game.

I feel like the same excuses were made for Zach Collins' early struggles: young and inexperienced, trying to learn the difficult big man game. The good ones figure it out quickly.



Exactly. He's lackadaisical when he slows down. And let's be honest, Billups was the king of methodical point guard play, so Scoot might be learning from the wrong guy. But, I'm about as confident that Scoot is the long-term answer as I am about Billups, so I'm not sure which of the two to lean on going forward.
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I wouldn't lean on either. I don't expect Scoot to be great. But I would like to give every opportunity so that we know for sure, sooner rather than later.

I'm not saying he won't be great. I just don't have that expectation. if he winds up being great that's awesome. If he winds up just being another good player on our team, that's fine.

If he winds up being a trade chip to get us something else, that's fine too.

I just don't want to lose out on opportunities to draft other guys. I want a ton of draft picks. As high as possible. Nothing else really matters for us right now, except getting those draft picks playing time and good developmental opportunities and coaching.
 
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