Eating Crow about Scoot

[THE HCP]

Banton is a better player on both ends.

Do you happen to have Banton’s numbers after 80+ games at the age of 20? That would be 5 years ago I believe and it wasn’t up against NBA players. I’m giving scoot some time.

 

[handiman]

Yeah it does, if he gets to the hoop but sucks at finishing and it causes turnovers, then what does it matter?

When reading and responding, I generally assume a basic level of intelligence on the part of those involved. I'm sorry if I misjudged you.

"It's hard to drive to the hoop when his defender plays him only to drive..."

"He doesn't seem to have a problem getting into the paint when he wants to."

"But he's an awful finisher, and many of his turnovers come from drive attempts."

"That's irrelevant to what I was responding to."

Follow the bouncing ball...

 

[THE HCP]

I just read the last page of the Sharpe thread and see a major debate about how other players are possibly impacting Shae’s development. Interesting. Does this logic/excuse not apply to Scoot? I haven’t’ seen anybody mention this in this thread. I see a bunch of posts here sharing Scoot’s numbers this season. We’re his numbers UP when certain other players WEREN’T out there with him? Just curious.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

You never heard of Baby Jordan?

I was at USC during his brief college career and I saw him shopping at the local grocery story. That's my brush with fame. Nobody at USC would've guessed that Robert Pack would have the better NBA career.

I have a theory that Miner was (is) on the Spectrum, not that that's relevant to anything.

 

[THE HCP]

Who the hell is Minor?

What? You serious?

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Since Scoot never played in college can we get an NIL deal for him to play for the Ducks?

 

[e_blazer]

Since Scoot never played in college can we get an NIL deal for him to play for the Ducks?

If you want the Ducks basketball team to improve, maybe football?

 

[Sheldon Shape]

I was at USC during his brief college career and I saw him shopping at the local grocery story. That's my brush with fame. Nobody at USC would've guessed that Robert Pack would have the better NBA career.

I have a theory that Miner was (is) on the Spectrum, not that that's relevant to anything.

I just brought up Robert Pack last night. Big fan.

 

[e_blazer]

I just brought up Robert Pack last night. Big fan.

This brings up a fun memory. My kid won a sports event at his school and got 2 tickets to sit in the Blazers area when there was CFL game played in Portland. We sat right behind Terry Porter. Robert Pack was sitting in the stands just above us. My son wanted to get his autograph but was kind of chicken about asking him. Unknown to us, Pack’s dad was sitting next to us and overheard my son. He asked if he could help, and then took care of getting the autograph for him. Fun evening.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Do you happen to have Banton’s numbers after 80+ games at the age of 20? That would be 5 years ago I believe and it wasn’t up against NBA players. I’m giving scoot some time.

Your right Banton wasn't in the NBA until he was 22, so lets compare Scoot to similar age NBA players.

When Scoot was drafted #3 I was hoping he would join the list of players at age 19 or 20 as I posted about Monday in Gramps player contribution thread. Unfortunately Scoot is not similar statistically to any of these players at the same age 19/20 seasons;

Chris Paul
Luka Doncic
Tony Parker
LaMelo Ball
Jamal Murray
Kyrie Irving
Stephon Marbury
Derrick Rose
Brandon Jennings
Ja Morant
Trae Young
Coby White
Isiah Thomas
John Wall
Russell Westbrook
D'Angelo Russell​

These are statistically the most similar NBA players to Scoot and all at the same age 19-21, as I posted above. Unfortunately Scoot is on the below list and not the above one;

Emmanuel Mudiay
Dennis Smith Jr
Dion Waiters
Elie Okobo
Tony Wroten
Archive Goodwin
Blake Wesley
Marcus Williams
DeShawn Stevenson
Scoot Henderson​

 

[e_blazer]

Your right Banton wasn't in the NBA until he was 22, so lets compare Scoot to similar age NBA players.

When Scoot was drafted #3 I was hoping he would join the list of players at age 19 or 20 as I posted about Monday in Gramps player contribution thread. Unfortunately Scoot is not similar statistically to any of these players at the same age 19/20 seasons;

Chris Paul
Luka Doncic
Tony Parker
LaMelo Ball
Jamal Murray
Kyrie Irving
Stephon Marbury
Derrick Rose
Brandon Jennings
Ja Morant
Trae Young
Coby White
Isiah Thomas
John Wall
Russell Westbrook
D'Angelo Russell​

These are statistically the most similar NBA players to Scoot and all at the same age 19-21. I posted this yesterday in this thread, unfortunately Scoot is on the below list and not the above one;

Emmanuel Mudiay
Dennis Smith Jr
Dion Waiters
Elie Okobo
Tony Wroten
Archive Goodwin
Blake Wesley
Marcus Williams
DeShawn Stevenson
Scoot Henderson​

Pretty similar to some guy named Chauncey Billups his first few seasons.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Pretty similar to some guy named Chauncey Billups his first few seasons.

Your sort of right in that Billups wasn't good his first few years and took awhile to improve.

I don't see how Scoot is statistically at his level though, seems much worse to me;

 

[inconceivable]

Your sort of right in that Billups wasn't good his first few years and took awhile to improve.

I don't see how Scoot is statistically at his level though, seems much worse to me;

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2 year age advantage to Chauncey

 

[sheed30]

Your sort of right in that Billups wasn't good his first few years and took awhile to improve.

I don't see how Scoot is statistically at his level though, seems much worse to me;

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And what about mins played and games started? Billups has the big edge there.

no one can deny Scoot is struggling, but that could also be part to him coming off the bench and not really getting to play through his mistake enough and get lots of reps when you compare the minutes and starts to Billups

 

[PCmor7]

uhhh I mean sure. Or some of us pay attention to the game more than others

It's OK. I'm sure there's something else that's got your attention.

 

[PCmor7]

Minor I believe came into the league when he was 21, I’ll give Scoot a little more time.

Another year?

 

[PCmor7]

Your right Banton wasn't in the NBA until he was 22, so lets compare Scoot to similar age NBA players.

When Scoot was drafted #3 I was hoping he would join the list of players at age 19 or 20 as I posted about Monday in Gramps player contribution thread. Unfortunately Scoot is not similar statistically to any of these players at the same age 19/20 seasons;

Chris Paul
Luka Doncic
Tony Parker
LaMelo Ball
Jamal Murray
Kyrie Irving
Stephon Marbury
Derrick Rose
Brandon Jennings
Ja Morant
Trae Young
Coby White
Isiah Thomas
John Wall
Russell Westbrook
D'Angelo Russell​

These are statistically the most similar NBA players to Scoot and all at the same age 19-21, as I posted above. Unfortunately Scoot is on the below list and not the above one;

Emmanuel Mudiay
Dennis Smith Jr
Dion Waiters
Elie Okobo
Tony Wroten
Archive Goodwin
Blake Wesley
Marcus Williams
DeShawn Stevenson
Scoot Henderson​

I filed away Archive Goodwin.

 

[blazedanugz]

It's OK. I'm sure there's something else that's got your attention.

Haha uhhhhhh

ok

nice one

 

[sheed30]

I just read the last page of the Sharpe thread and see a major debate about how other players are possibly impacting Shae’s development. Interesting. Does this logic/excuse not apply to Scoot? I haven’t’ seen anybody mention this in this thread. I see a bunch of posts here sharing Scoot’s numbers this season. We’re his numbers UP when certain other players WEREN’T out there with him? Just curious.

This right here. Sharpe is playing his natural position and having the highest usage in his career, and we can all see the potential he has at times.

If someone was using that same logic that Ant was impacting Scoot, as in playing the same position and starting over him, then I can get behind that logic of why some would want to move Ant.

Another discussion would be if you think Scoot is ready or not or will never be ready as some think. But we won’t know if he ever will be if he doesn’t get to start and play through this mistake and play bigger minutes to learn. Then we can start to see if Scoot is going learn and improve as he goes or just flat out wasn’t all he was hyped up to be. That will never happen though if Ant is on the team most likely.

 

[PCmor7]

Haha uhhhhhh

ok

nice one

Thank you.

 

[AldoTrapani]

Do you happen to have Banton’s numbers after 80+ games at the age of 20? That would be 5 years ago I believe and it wasn’t up against NBA players. I’m giving scoot some time.

Don’t waste to much time. He doesn’t even show 2 weeks straight of good hooping

 

[wizenheimer]

2 year age advantage to Chauncey

there comes a point when the age thing is just an excuse for poor performance. Scoot is probably not at that point yet, but right now he's just a bad NBA guard. He was bad at 19, he's bad at 20, and at this rate, he'll be bad at 21

 

[inconceivable]

Scoot sucks, Sharpe rocks

 

[Phatguysrule]

This right here. Sharpe is playing his natural position and having the highest usage in his career, and we can all see the potential he has at times.

If someone was using that same logic that Ant was impacting Scoot, as in playing the same position and starting over him, then I can get behind that logic of why some would want to move Ant.

Another discussion would be if you think Scoot is ready or not or will never be ready as some think. But we won’t know if he ever will be if he doesn’t get to start and play through this mistake and play bigger minutes to learn. Then we can start to see if Scoot is going learn and improve as he goes or just flat out wasn’t all he was hyped up to be. That will never happen though if Ant is on the team most likely.

Exactly

 

[THE HCP]

This brings up a fun memory. My kid won a sports event at his school and got 2 tickets to sit in the Blazers area when there was CFL game played in Portland. We sat right behind Terry Porter. Robert Pack was sitting in the stands just above us. My son wanted to get his autograph but was kind of chicken about asking him. Unknown to us, Pack’s dad was sitting next to us and overheard my son. He asked if he could help, and then took care of getting the autograph for him. Fun evening.

Had the pleasure of meeting him randomly in Houston earlier in the season. Very friendly guy!

 

[beast blazer]

there comes a point when the age thing is just an excuse for poor performance. Scoot is probably not at that point yet, but right now he's just a bad NBA guard. He was bad at 19, he's bad at 20, and at this rate, he'll be bad at 21

Which is in a few weeks...

I've heard this " but he's only x years old dude" many times, and it almost never results in the player turning out to be good in any sport.

If you're talking that way about a player, their ceiling is most often average, and they usually don't even get there.

 

[beast blazer]

When reading and responding, I generally assume a basic level of intelligence on the part of those involved. I'm sorry if I misjudged you.

"It's hard to drive to the hoop when his defender plays him only to drive..."

"He doesn't seem to have a problem getting into the paint when he wants to."

"But he's an awful finisher, and many of his turnovers come from drive attempts."

"That's irrelevant to what I was responding to."

Follow the bouncing ball...

I wasn't disagreeing with you. I agree that he is good at getting to the rim. He's just has an abysmal % from there and his drives often result in a to.

 

[Phatguysrule]

I wasn't disagreeing with you. I agree that he is good at getting to the rim. He's just has an abysmal % from there and his drives often result in a to.

He'll improve on that with experience. The fewer opportunities per year he gets the more years it will take to improve...

 

[Pinwheel1]

He'll improve on that with experience. The fewer opportunities per year he gets the more years it will take to improve...

I think he will improve as well, and it does seem like he has been down a few minutes per game since his left quad contusion. So maybe they are monitoring his minutes. Overall though if he gets back to 26-28 minutes per game that gives him plenty of minutes to improve. But I don't think not getting 32-33 mpg is going to slow his progress.....by years.

So far he has played 83 NBA games in his career and has averaged almost 28 minutes per game. That is not a problem. However, the fact that he has only played 83 games is a factor......despite all the Colin Cowherds on this board who think they know whether or not a player has it within the first few minutes of running up and down a basketball court. He has plenty of time this year to improve, plus the summer. Next fall is the telling point IMO.

 

[Phatguysrule]

I think he will improve as well, and it does seem like he has been down a few minutes per game since his left quad contusion. So maybe they are monitoring his minutes. Overall though if he gets back to 26-28 minutes per game that gives him plenty of minutes to improve. But I don't think not getting 32-33 mpg is going to slow his progress.....by years.

So far he has played 83 NBA games in his career and has averaged almost 28 minutes per game. That is not a problem. However, the fact that he has only played 83 games is a factor......despite all the Colin Cowherds on this board who think they know whether or not a player has it within the first few minutes of running up and down a basketball court. He has plenty of time this year to improve, plus the summer. Next fall is the telling point IMO.

No, playing with Ant and Grant destroys most of those minutes. I thought he played pretty well with Ayton last season.

But definitely being on the court with Ant is wasted time, IMO. In fact, I think it's worse than wasted. I think it's counterproductive and holding Scoot back. No matter how good he could have been, he's worse right now because he said to play so much with Ant.