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blue9 said:
Someone posted that Collins/Nurk have only played 20 minutes together this season. So yeah, I think they haven't.
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Collins' inability to not foul should not be hung on anyone but himself.
 
Scalma said:
It’ll be real interesting to see if Stotts ever pairs Nurk and Kanter. Against teams that don’t have an offensively involved four, it may be worth trying. The mismatches offensively would be so fun and we’d dominate the boards.
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I could see it maybe against teams like Utah and San Antonio with their Aldridge/Gasol and Favors/Gobert pairings.

Nurkic averages 27 minutes a game, and Kanter averages 25. There's enough minutes for both, and Kanter knows he'll see big minutes if Nurkic gets into foul trouble (or worse).
 
BonesJones said:
The refs absolutely disrespect Zach. It's ridiculous.
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Guys just rip the ball out of Zach's hands in the paint the last stretch of games...something he needs to address in my view. Seems he's pretty easy to tie up. Weird because I don't believe he had that issue early on
 
This is the key does Stotts know how to use bigs in a offense. Remember this is a guard oriented offense that Stotts have. It either pnr or PNP type offensive for the bigs. Occasionally they throw it down low to a big.
 
In 2016-17, Kanter’s most frequent lineup included Steven Adams. The top two point differential lineups for OKC that year also included the pair.

Worth looking into and probably something that has already been discussed. Don’t think Kanter would come here to play 18-20 minutes.
 
A$AP Meyers said:
Love Ed. But there is a huge difference.

Kanter is one of the most skilled bigs in the NBA offensively. Yes, in the entire NBA. I feel like people don’t realize this. Sadly, he’s just as bad defensively as he is skilled offensively. He honestly one of the most fascinating players I’ve seen in this era. Especially in the playoffs. Can collapse an entire defense when he has the ball, but can also destroy an entire defense when your opponent has it.

For a couple of years in OKC he was literally unguardable. It will be interesting to see if he plays down the stretch at all in close games.
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I've heard from fans that his defense has noticeably improved since he got to New York, and his DBPM has improved (if someone could get me other advanced defensive metrics that'd be great, I struggle to find those).

Hopefully he's an adequate defender for us.
 
Scalma said:
In 2016-17, Kanter’s most frequent lineup included Steven Adams. The top two point differential lineups for OKC that year also included the pair.

Worth looking into and probably something that has already been discussed. Don’t think Kanter would come here to play 18-20 minutes.
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I think you'll see 3 minutes a game of "twin tower" lineups. If Nurkic continues to play his 27mpg, that means Kanter would get 24mpg (which is on par for the rest of his career).
 
hoopsjock said:
I think this probably means they are waiting until next year to truly throw Collins into the fire. My guess is that Aminu will be gone and Collins can compete for the starting PF spot. It looks like they decided to go for down the stretch instead of worrying about development.
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Yup. We have a very good and deep big man rotation now. With Aminu and Leonard being the only constants, we've somehow went from Plumlee, Davis, and Vonleh to Nurkic, Kanter, Collins, and Labissiere. That's solid.

Two years ago:
Plumlee
Davis
Vonleh

Now:
Nurkic
Kanter
Collins
Labissiere
 
BonesJones said:
I think you'll see 3 minutes a game of "twin tower" lineups. If Nurkic continues to play his 27mpg, that means Kanter would get 24mpg (which is on par for the rest of his career).
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Yeah but you’re talking on average. Down the stretch and in a playoff scenario Nurk should be out there for 30+ minutes unless he’s in foul trouble. We’ll probably see Kanter paired with Nurk more than maybe we think at first glance.
 
Good pickup by Olshey, he continues to impress. I don't think this crowds the rotation at all. Collins and Meyers have not exactly excelled overall, but are good to have if we have to go big, encounter foul trouble, or someone gets banged up. Suddenly our bench has some fire power. Lets not talk about defense, defense is boring.
 
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Dame
CJ
Hark
Chief
Nurk

ET/Curry
Hood
Layman
Collins
Kanter

Nards/Skal

I’m guessing the top 11 are the new rotation and the bottom 2 are odd men out. We would be much better if we tightened up the rotation to an 8 man imo but Stotts doesn’t like hurting people’s feelings so I’m guessing the random expiremental rotations will continue. Can anyone name a team who consistently played 10-11 and were successful?
 
blue9 said:
It's not that I don't like it - Kanter is now our 2nd/3rd best bench player (behind Jake & maybe Hood). I just don't really get the point. We should be trying to develop Collins. And Meyers is FINALLY playing semi-decently. I suppose we were paying tax anyway, so what's another $1m (or whatever the cost is) if it doesn't have any impact on potential repeater status?

Just seems like a pointless gesture to say "I'm trying, Jennifer!". Maybe Kanter is the difference between one or two PO wins? So the range of value added is somewhere between (1) not getting swept in the 1st round, and (2) maybe making the 2nd round. Call me crazy, but I'd prefer to develop Collins. Buuuuut, I suppose that's asking WAY too much considering Terry is our coach.

TLDR: No problem with Kanter, just don't understand what the team is trying to do.
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Total “wet blanket “ response. Complain if they do something. Complain if they don’t.
 
hoopsjock said:
I think this probably means they are waiting until next year to truly throw Collins into the fire. My guess is that Aminu will be gone and Collins can compete for the starting PF spot. It looks like they decided to go for down the stretch instead of worrying about development.
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You think?
 
BonesJones said:
I've heard from fans that his defense has noticeably improved since he got to New York, and his DBPM has improved (if someone could get me other advanced defensive metrics that'd be great, I struggle to find those).

Hopefully he's an adequate defender for us.
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He's awful in all plus minus based stats...drpm, dpipm, and raw+/-

And the only reason his dbpm has risen the last couple of years is due to his improved defensive rebounding %. But that's more to do with playing largely with no other good rebounding big on the floor than anything he's doing. He still ranked near the bottom in drpm for centers over that time (67th/73 in 17-18, 60th/61 in 18-19) and in terms of raw +/-, the Knicks were on average 4 points worse defensively with him on the floor.
 
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Kanter grades out well in pick and roll as the roll man and is in the 98th percentile in offensive rebounding, specifically contested rebounds. He’s also 80th percentile in effective field goal %. He’s also been an 80% + free throw shooter the last two seasons, 78% career. This is a massive upgrade offensively, and defensively his numbers don’t line up with his reputation as a liability. Don’t get me wrong, he is not a good defender, but he’s objectively better than he was three years ago.
 
It's the first player since I remember that doesn't have to go under Dame's wings. Kanter doesnt need Dame's extra motivation to go out and play basketball. I mean Blazers don't seem to have to much players that care about W hard enough. Kanter is a fighter and he can score. He might make a difference in playoffs. Lillard needed guy like him. At least thats what I'd like to be true.
 
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