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Fairly-Hard said:
Really got tired of listening to Joe, Chauncey, Dame and Nurk all blame injuries for this season. Everyone knew they had little depth.
At least Chauncey made some reasonable comments about simply not having veterans and talent to compete. He at least also said he never wants to be in that position again.
Joe doesn't seem to have the kind of fire to be the leader this team needs to get the deals done. The guy is obviously a tremendously likable guy but just doesn't seem truly driven to win?

I'm a bit conflicted here? I like these guys but i just wonder if they can pull this off? I really didn't like Bert Kolde sitting at the game running his mouth the entire time and Joe just sitting there nodding his head.

I wonder if the only way this team has a chance to win is if it's sold and Lillard is traded? As much as I hate to say it I'm getting ready to throw in the towel.
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All the smiles really bother me
 
TBpup said:
The bolded portion is what most of the national media left out (typical of not getting the whole story) and they ran with the rest of it. The issue will be, if Portland is lucky enough to get the #1 pick, Dame needs to get on board with another 19 year old in a hurry. There is NO WAY you trade him. That said, if Dame feels that is not the path he wants to go, no issue with him asking out and it sounds like that is the way he is leaning if Portland was to get the #1 pick. I want him to get a ring and it likely isn't happening her regardless of what happens, but very likely not in the next couple of years if they were to get Wemby. To trade Wemby for a still not very likely shot at winning a title in the next 2-3 years, and then having to watch him play in the league for the next 15+ years would be too much to take.
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Exactly the way I feel
 
UKRAINEFAN said:
Sean Highkin: Chauncey Billups on changes this summer: “We’ve done the ‘tweak’ thing a few times. We’ve got to do more than that this summer if we want to do right by the best player in franchise history.”
How about if we do it for the long-suffering fans? BTW saw that Lillard says he has talked to big time players who want to come to Portland. Did he tell them they need to demand a trade?
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High performing players demanding a trade is the only way we might get one and if we do, the only way to have any leverage in the situation so we aren't out of Draft picks/swaps for the next 7 years and with even less depth than we have now. Supposedly there are a couple of 'very good' players that would like to play with Dame, but how the Blazers go about getting them is a different matter altogether.
 
Dame should really ask out; hate to say it. You know how many needles they would have to thread blindfolded to get even close to the finals in the next, say 3 years? People tend to assume that other teams won't get better.
 
Cugel said:
Dame should really ask out; hate to say it. You know how many needles they would have to thread blindfolded to get even close to the finals in the next, say 3 years? People tend to assume that other teams won't get better.
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"hate to say it." After an entire season of saying we should trade Dame is hilarious.
 
They're at a crossroads again. If they trade they're future picks and don't win a ring after those moves, in a few years they'll have a roster of aging players, a star that's on the downside of his career and no picks to build on.
I see another issue, too. If Dame gets traded and Ant becomes the PG for the next several years, who leads the team? Ant is not a leader, neither was CJ which is why they get along next to Dame so easily. Sharpe is by nature not a leader, either. The leader of your team can't be the third or fourth guy off the bench. I think Ant's best role is coming off the bench but that's a ton of money for a non-starter.
This team needs a big shake up without sending out their picks or they're in the first stage of repeating the same cycle.
 
blazerkor said:
"hate to say it." After an entire season of saying we should trade Dame is hilarious.
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I was ok will trading him initially but after the year he had it gave me hope that they could keep him.
 
Overall I like liked the interview with Joe. There were a few cringe moments where he talked about his inexperience, but I liked that he took responsibility for the team's shortcomings. He also mentioned that they can't be reckless with the pick, he used Sharpe as an example where it would have been a disaster if they would have traded the pick for a marginal player.
This confirms to me that SS is going nowhere. It also confirms he would not trade the #1 pick if we got it. But he did concede that they need more vets. He might not have much personality but who cares?
 
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Pinwheel1 said:
Overall I like liked the interview with Joe. There were a few cringe moments where he talked about his inexperience, but I liked that he took responsibility for the team's shortcomings. He also mentioned that they can't be reckless with the pick, he used Sharpe as an example where it would have been a disaster if they would have traded the pick for a marginal player.
This confirms to me that SS is going nowhere. It also confirms he would not trade the #1 pick if we got it. But he did concede that they need more verts. He might not have much personality but who cares?
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I wonder what the vert market is this summer?

and I agree, I don't think Sharpe is going anywhere. I also think Cronin has almost certainly gauged Sharpe's upside and that is informing the value he places on the pick
 
I don't like so many guys blaming the youth. The young guys at least played hard. Nurk and Jerami in particular were very inconsistent in their effort. Ant was a sieve on defense.

We also had zero big man depth. Joe can talk a big game but he built this roster. He chose to sign an injured GP without doing the due diligence. He chose to trade away the one guy who consistently brought the effort because his owner did not want a bigger tax burden this upcoming season. He chose to dismiss getting another big at the deadline and in the buyout market. This pivot into tanking was 100% clear with the moves at the deadline. That too was a choice. We could have easily ended up in the 8th or 9th spot had we wanted to. Instead, blaming the youth and injuries (which every team has) seems to be the excuse du jour.

And Chauncey did not improve whatsoever. His defense got scouted and he had no counters. And his in-game adjustments were nonexistent. He also didn't really hold everyone accountable like he had been preaching. His offense when we needed wins was simply Stottsfense 2.0 with giving Dame the ball and telling him to cook. He was simply incompetent.

I have 0 confidence in Jody/Joe/Chauncey to dig us out of this mud.
 
theprunetang said:
To those worried about Sharpe being traded:

"I don’t have much of an appetite for building and waiting for guys that are 2-3 years away. I feel like Shaedon has been different - but that’s enough 19 year olds. It’s not a secret. I want a chance to go for it. If the route is to do that, that’s not my route." - Lillard
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Then don't let the door hit you on the way out.

Sorry, Dame, you've done a lot of great things here, but if your attitude is bringing in established slightly above-average players like Jeremi Grant would better your chances to win a championship AND be better for the longterm health of this organization than drafting Wemby, Scoot or Miller, that's incredibly short-sighted and that's not MY route.

Utter dumbness. We might not have been 2-3 years away if we weren't wasting resources on Robert Covington and Norman Powell and Larry Nance and Gary Payton and Jeremi Grant to tread water and instead used those resources on drafting and developing young players with upside who'd be blossoming NOW.

This also looks like the national talking heads were right and Dame wasn't entirely honest about his POV to the retool over the last couple of years, signing a super-max extension before letting Blazer Nation know it.

In my mind, this makes it A LOT easier for me to part with Dame. I don't need this wishy-washy fakeness when we're already losing. The fact is Dame is a common denominator in this team's struggles despite his individual greatness, and perhaps he needs to investigate that facet of the situation more thoroughly.
 
Fairly-Hard said:
Really got tired of listening to Joe, Chauncey, Dame and Nurk all blame injuries for this season. Everyone knew they had little depth.
At least Chauncey made some reasonable comments about simply not having veterans and talent to compete. He at least also said he never wants to be in that position again.
Joe doesn't seem to have the kind of fire to be the leader this team needs to get the deals done. The guy is obviously a tremendously likable guy but just doesn't seem truly driven to win?

I'm a bit conflicted here? I like these guys but i just wonder if they can pull this off? I really didn't like Bert Kolde sitting at the game running his mouth the entire time and Joe just sitting there nodding his head.

I wonder if the only way this team has a chance to win is if it's sold and Lillard is traded? As much as I hate to say it I'm getting ready to throw in the towel.
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And there lies the issue with Joe. He's an inexperienced, likable guy. He has given no other GM reason to take him seriously. Why should they start now?
 
illmatic99 said:
He chose to trade away the one guy who consistently brought the effort because his owner did not want a bigger tax burden this upcoming season.
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I think it was pretty obvious Hart wouldn't have signed here. If he walked for nothing in the offseason, you'd probably be bitching about how he let a free agent walk for nothing. He got a 1st round pick for a guy who was going to leave. Had nothing to do with the tax.
 
RR7 said:
I think it was pretty obvious Hart wouldn't have signed here. If he walked for nothing in the offseason, you'd probably be bitching about how he let a free agent walk for nothing. He got a 1st round pick for a guy who was going to leave. Had nothing to do with the tax.
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Why are you so sure he would have walked if we paid him what he is worth?
 
illmatic99 said:
Why? He had a career year and is trying his best.
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Because basketball's a team game and because he's a great individual player trying to dictate to the organization how to proceed through the lens of what is best for him.

I explained this above. His comments don't indicate someone trying to handle this situation best and most efficiently. It indicates that he wants to win here ... but we have to win here his way. That doesn't work, I don't care if you're the all-time leading scorer in franchise history and great in the community. If the Blazers could somehow trade this year's lottery pick, maybe Ant and assorted pieces for Jaylen Brown, that makes sense for the organization. If we're trading Wemby or Scoot for a player like Siakam, then we're not really any closer to being a true contender than we were before and after adding Jerami Grant.
 
illmatic99 said:
Why are you so sure he would have walked if we paid him what he is worth?
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An interview he gave saying his wife doesn't like to fly, and how far away they were from friends and family and home. Happy wife, happy life. We would have had to severely overpay him, and I don't know if that even would get it done. Seems like he likely told Joe he would leave, we sucked, and got what we could for him. A 1st round pick for a guy likely to walk is an excellent deal. But it doesn't fit the Joe is an idiot that can't negotiate narrative so it's ignored.
Shit, he got 5 2nds for GPII, who likely never wanted to be here in the first place. He said this wasn't a 1 year thing, so he signed a guy, and was immediately able to flip that player for a bunch of assets to use he otherwise wouldn't have had.
 
illmatic99 said:
Why are you so sure he would have walked if we paid him what he is worth?
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No one can be absolutely certain, but unless you're going to argue that our GM is completely incompetent and there were a lot of good reasons to figure Hart would go elsewhere whether we wanted him to leave or not, it's fair to presume the Blazers did the smart thing and traded him, and, I'd argue they probably had a better roster after the trade than before.
 
RR7 said:
An interview he gave saying his wife doesn't like to fly, and how far away they were from friends and family and home. Happy wife, happy life. We would have had to severely overpay him, and I don't know if that even would get it done. Seems like he likely told Joe he would leave,
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I think there is some truth to this. Hart seemed grateful after being traded. Not sure what he will get as a FA, but I loved his relentless style. But I remember him saying before the season that he wanted to start and I see him more as a 6th man. Would we want him to start over Sharpe for the next 4 years?
 
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Dames comment “I’m not interested in developing guys who will be ready 2-3 years from now”. Sure hope that doesn’t have anything to do with moving Sharpe…….
 
RR7 said:
An interview he gave saying his wife doesn't like to fly, and how far away they were from friends and family and home. Happy wife, happy life. We would have had to severely overpay him, and I don't know if that even would get it done. Seems like he likely told Joe he would leave, we sucked, and got what we could for him. A 1st round pick for a guy likely to walk is an excellent deal. But it doesn't fit the Joe is an idiot that can't negotiate narrative so it's ignored.
Shit, he got 5 2nds for GPII, who likely never wanted to be here in the first place. He said this wasn't a 1 year thing, so he signed a guy, and was immediately able to flip that player for a bunch of assets to use he otherwise wouldn't have had.
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This might all be true but it's still conjecture.

When Dame was asked about his thoughts of the Hart trade he said he understood it because we couldn't pay him in the summer. My comments and thoughts were based off that.
 
I have thought ever since Paul passed that BK had run this organization and still does. He’s got two yes men at the top that are under his guidance.
 
Why do we also feel like singing Joe's praises for getting second round picks for GP when he is the one who signed him in the first place?!

He created this problem and somewhat fixed it. This deserves a kudos?

And it wasn't 5 true seconds. There are about a million qualifiers to 3 of the 5. They could turn into some assets. They also could be meaningless.
 
illmatic99 said:
This might all be true but it's still conjecture.

When Dame was asked about his thoughts of the Hart trade he said he understood it because we couldn't pay him in the summer. My comments and thoughts were based off that.
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So you base it on a quote from Dame, I base it on a quote directly from Hart.
I'd say your take on it is far more conjecture, but what difference does it really make.
 
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