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All right guys, don't roast me over an open fire because I posted something BE. I thought this would be a fun little game in the doldrums of waiting for Melo to accept coming here and something to talk about and discuss the reasons for the team you have chosen. I especially look forward to hearing the thought processes of @BonesJones, @Boob-No-More, @SlyPokerDog, @Orion Bailey, @Schilly, @Denny Crane, @KingSpeed and @Scalma to name just a few.

My picks would be:

Lilliard($5)
Roy($4)
Pippen($1)
Buck($1)
Sabonis($4)

You have offensive scoring all over the court with all five guys.

•Three point shooting with Dame, Roy, Pippen and Sabonis.
•Pick and Pop/Roll that is interchangeable with all five guys.
•Post-up and paint scoring with Buck, Pippen, and Sabonis.
•Slashing with Dame, Roy and Pippen.
•Paint and rim protection with Buck and Sabonis.
•Perimeter defense with Pippen and Sabonis(and when he wanted to, Roy.)

That's mine. Who is going to be next?
 
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All right guys, don't roast me over an open fire because I posted something BE. I thought this would be a fun little game in the doldrums of waiting for Melo to accept coming here and something to talk about and discuss the reasons for the team you have chosen. I especially look forward to hearing the thought processes of @BonesJones, @Boob-No-More, @SlyPokerDog, @Orion Bailey, @Schilly, @Denny Crane, @KingSpeed and @Scalma to name just a few.

My picks would be:

Lilliard($5)
Roy($4)
Pippen($1)
Buck($1)
Sabonis($4)

•You have offensive scoring all over the court with all five guys.
•Three point shooting with Dame, Roy, Pippen and Sabonis.
•Pick and Pop/Roll that is interchangeable with all five guys.
•Post-up and paint scoring with Buck, Pippen, and Sabonis.
•Slashing with Dame, Roy and Pippen.
•Paint and rim protection with Buck and Sabonis.
•Perimeter defense with Pippen and Sabonis(and when he wanted to, Roy.)

That's mine. Who is going to be next?



EDIT: Mods, how do you post /load a link from a phone? Help!
You can't just copy and paste the link in your reply area?
 
Cool. Glad I could help....

Can I assume you are working on your team right now? It's not as easy as you may think.

I missed the Vine bus I take to start heading to work because I was figuring out combinations.

Luckly instead of arriving to work an hour and half early, I will be 45 minutes give or take, early today.
 
Can I assume you are working on your team right now? It's not as easy as you may think.

I missed the Vine bus I take to start heading to work because I was figuring out combinations.

Luckly instead of arriving to work an hour and half early, I will be 45 minutes give or take, early today.
Yeah, looking at the choices.... Not a simple task- I like how they have the money amounts so you can't just simply toss together the 76-77 team. Gotta think about some of them.... And that's some funny stuff about missing the bus. Looks like you have your priorities straight though.... Lol
 
Glad I could help....

Yeah, it's BE, but its kinda cool. Lmao at the $0 choices. Felton, Woods, Jin, Kemp....

Are you surprised Matthews isn't listed? Cause I am and wondering if their is some bad feelings there with Wes and BE.
 
Lillard $5
Drexler $5
Pippen $1
Lucas $4
Walton $5

I have no problem going into luxury tax for that roster

LOL! You're just a natural rule breaker aren't you? Just can't help yourself can you?

Care to take this seriously and try again?
 
Are you surprised Matthews isn't listed? Cause I am and wondering if their is some bad feelings there with Wes and BE.
That's hard to say there. BE is so unpredictable. I gave up trying to figure the place out.

Lillard $5
Drexler $5
Pippen $1
Lucas $4
Walton $5

I have no problem going into luxury tax for that roster


If I'm forced

Lillard $5
Drexler $5
Pippen $1
Buck $1
Duck $2
Ok, the tax bit was pretty darn funny....
 
Lillard $5
Drexler $5
Pippen $1
Lucas $4
Walton $5

I have no problem going into luxury tax for that roster


If I'm forced

Lillard $5
Drexler $5
Pippen $1
Buck $1
Duck $2

I "cheated" too:
Lillard $5
Drexler $5
Pippen $1
Mo Lucus $4
A Healthy and IN SHAPE Greg Oden $0
 
The fact that they listed Brian Grant as a center, screws up my $15 team - twice. Grant did not play center in Portland. He may have played center in MIA, but in POR he was strictly a PF. He should have been listed behind Buck at PF for $0. Also, anyone not in the top 5 at their position should be available for $0 - that would include a true 3 & D guy like Wesley Matthews.

I made a couple assumptions - we are talking about assembling a team for today's, modern, 3-point heavy NBA and the goal is to win a championship (so built for post season success). In today's game, a guy like Clyde or Brandon Roy, or even Wesley Matthews can easily play the SF position. I am also assuming, per the article, that each player will be at their peak - meaning their best full season in a Portland uniform. With that in mind, my preferred line-up would have been:

PG - Terry Porter = $4
SG - C.J. McCollum = $2
SF - Brandon Roy = $4
PF - Buck Williams = $1
C - Bill Wlaton = $5
Total = $16

Well crap, $1 over the cap! If Brian Grant had been correctly listed as a PF at $0, I would have inserted him in place of Buck at PF and been right at $15.

PG - The reasons for my choices are that shooting, especially 3-point shooting is at a premium in today's NBA. I love Lillard, and if not for the $15 cap, he would be my staring PG. However, Porter, at his peak shot a much higher 3FG% than Dame. Dame scores more, but peak Porter was a much more efficient scorer. During his best season, Terry shot .415 3FG% and had a TS% of .623 - that's insane for a guard, we're talking Steph Curry MVP level shooting. Dame's career best TS% is .586. Porter was also a better passer and a better defender. So, cost no object, Dame is my starting PG. With the $15 cap, I go with Porter and save a buck.

SG - In today's NBA, C.J.'s shooting at $2 is really hard to pass up. Last season, C.J. shot .421 from 3-point range and led the league in FT% at .912. Those are very impressive numbers and makes him the best shooting SG this franchise has ever had. Unfortunately, because of BGrant being listed out of position at center, I will end up having to give up C.J. and go with Brandon Roy at SG - more on that below.

SF - In today's NBA, I'm moving the 6'6" Roy to SF. He had the size, strength and athleticism to play the position in today's game. During Roy's best season in Portland he had PER = 24.0, 13.5 WS and .223 WS/48. Those are some of the best numbers in those categories in franchise history. Too bad they didn't last, but this excise is based on peak performance and peak performance Brandon Roy was pretty damn good.

PF - in today's game, it would be nice to have a stretch 4 to spread the court, but we've never really had one in Portland. So, at $1 it's hard to pass up Buck's defense, rebounding, toughness, leadership and efficient scoring. Beside's he'd work fine with my center of choice, even in today's game. Today's game isn't just about 3-point shooting, it's about scoring efficiency (3-pointers + lay ups), and during his Blazer's career, Buck was all about efficient scoring. His first year in Portland, he averaged 13.6 ppg as the fifth option on offense. The following two seasons, he led the NBA in FG% at .602 and .604. In 1991-92., he also led the league in TS% at .651. That's efficient scoring!

C - Of all the players from the past, I think Bill Walton's game would be the most adaptable to today's NBA. In fact, I think Big Bill would absolutely flourish in the modern game. He would be a much bigger, much better, much less likely to get suspended during the finals and cost your team a championship version of Draymond Green. In 76-77 Walton led the league in both REB at 14.4 rpg ad blocked shots at 3.2 bpg. Those are outstanding numbers in any generation. With Walton at center, we would dominate the boards and he would be the ultimate rim protector. His high post passing game would also be perfect in today's NBA. As much as I loved Sabonis, in spite of his 3-point shooting (he never really shot that high of a 3FG% and never made more than 49 in a season), I don't think he would be well suited to the modern game. Sabas played during an era of big, powerful centers. At the time, his size and bulk we assets. In today's game, his incredibly slow foot speed would be routinely exploited in the pick and roll. Sabonins, because of his skills and high BBIQ would be a good player in any generation, but by the time he played for POR, he was already in his 30s and had suffered two ruptured Achilles's tendons. I would LOVE him coming off the bench and backing up Walton (Sabonis came off the bench his rookie year and had, by far, his most efficient season playing limited minutes as a back up), but Big Bill is my starting center.

Ok, that's all well and good, but I'm still over the cap by $1. My second choice also depends on Brian Grant being correctly listed at PF for $0. It also depends on anyone not listed being available for $0.

PG - Damian Lillard = $5
SG - Wesley Mattews = $0
SF - Clyde Drexler = $5
PF - Brian Grant = $0
C - Bill Walton = $5
Total = $15

This is the closest we can come to a modern superstar driven team. Dame, Clyde and Walton are our Big 3 and we fill in the other two positions with solid role players. Pre-injury Wes was a great 3 & D fourth option who can lock down the oppositions best perimeter scorer and BGrant gives us rebounding, interior defense and toughness.


Unfortunately, this starting 5 is also not posssible under the rules of the game as stated.

So, I have to go with:

PG - Terry Porter = $4
SG - Brandon Roy $4
SF - Scottie Pippin = $1
PF - Buck Williams = $1
C - Bill Walton = $5
Total = $15

That team would kick ass in the previous generation, but lacks 3-point shooting compared to other current top teams. That team would have great defense, rebounding and passing. So, they would still compete and would be well suited for the post season where the games slow down and defense, rebounding and efficient scoring become even more important. Ultimately, for the modern game, I prefer my first two choices, but given the imposed constraints, I think these five represent the best values at each position.

BNM




 
Uncle Cliffy was a brick machine come playoff time and they want 5 bucks for him? I know the guy was a fan favorite but that's a little steep.
 
The fact that they listed Brian Grant as a center, screws up my $15 team - twice. Grant did not play center in Portland. He may have played center in MIA, but in POR he was strictly a PF. He should have been listed behind Buck at PF for $0. Also, anyone not in the top 5 at their position should be available for $0 - that would include a true 3 & D guy like Wesley Matthews.

I made a couple assumptions - we are talking about assembling a team for today's, modern, 3-point heavy NBA and the goal is to win a championship (so built for post season success). In today's game, a guy like Clyde or Brandon Roy, or even Wesley Matthews can easily play the SF position. I am also assuming, per the article, that each player will be at their peak - meaning their best full season in a Portland uniform. With that in mind, my preferred line-up would have been:

PG - Terry Porter = $4
SG - C.J. McCollum = $2
SF - Brandon Roy = $4
PF - Buck Williams = $1
C - Bill Wlaton = $5
Total = $16

Well crap, $1 over the cap! If Brian Grant had been correctly listed as a PF at $0, I would have inserted him in place of Buck at PF and been right at $15.

PG - The reasons for my choices are that shooting, especially 3-point shooting is at a premium in today's NBA. I love Lillard, and if not for the $15 cap, he would be my staring PG. However, Porter, at his peak shot a much higher 3FG% than Dame. Dame scores more, but peak Porter was a much more efficient scorer. During his best season, Terry shot .415 3FG% and had a TS% of .623 - that's insane for a guard, we're talking Steph Curry MVP level shooting. Dame's career best TS% is .586. Porter was also a better passer and a better defender. So, cost no object, Dame is my starting PG. With the $15 cap, I go with Porter and save a buck.

SG - In today's NBA, C.J.'s shooting at $2 is really hard to pass up. Last season, C.J. shot .421 from 3-point range and led the league in FT% at .912. Those are very impressive numbers and makes him the best shooting SG this franchise has ever had. Unfortunately, because of BGrant being listed out of position at center, I will end up having to give up C.J. and go with Brandon Roy at SG - more on that below.

SF - In today's NBA, I'm moving the 6'6" Roy to SF. He had the size, strength and athleticism to play the position in today's game. During Roy's best season in Portland he had PER = 24.0, 13.5 WS and .223 WS/48. Those are some of the best numbers in those categories in franchise history. Too bad they didn't last, but this excise is based on peak performance and peak performance Brandon Roy was pretty damn good.

PF - in today's game, it would be nice to have a stretch 4 to spread the court, but we've never really had one in Portland. So, at $1 it's hard to pass up Buck's defense, rebounding, toughness, leadership and efficient scoring. Beside's he'd work fine with my center of choice, even in today's game. Today's game isn't just about 3-point shooting, it's about scoring efficiency (3-pointers + lay ups), and during his Blazer's career, Buck was all about efficient scoring. His first year in Portland, he averaged 13.6 ppg as the fifth option on offense. The following two seasons, he led the NBA in FG% at .602 and .604. In 1991-92., he also led the league in TS% at .651. That's efficient scoring!

C - Of all the players from the past, I think Bill Walton's game would be the most adaptable to today's NBA. In fact, I think Big Bill would absolutely flourish in the modern game. He would be a much bigger, much better, much less likely to get suspended during the finals and cost your team a championship version of Draymond Green. In 76-77 Walton led the league in both REB at 14.4 rpg ad blocked shots at 3.2 bpg. Those are outstanding numbers in any generation. With Walton at center, we would dominate the boards and he would be the ultimate rim protector. His high post passing game would also be perfect in today's NBA. As much as I loved Sabonis, in spite of his 3-point shooting (he never really shot that high of a 3FG% and never made more than 49 in a season), I don't think he would be well suited to the modern game. Sabas played during an era of big, powerful centers. At the time, his size and bulk we assets. In today's game, his incredibly slow foot speed would be routinely exploited in the pick and roll. Sabonins, because of his skills and high BBIQ would be a good player in any generation, but by the time he played for POR, he was already in his 30s and had suffered two ruptured Achilles's tendons. I would LOVE him coming off the bench and backing up Walton (Sabonis came off the bench his rookie year and had, by far, his most efficient season playing limited minutes as a back up), but Big Bill is my starting center.

Ok, that's all well and good, but I'm still over the cap by $1. My second choice also depends on Brian Grant being correctly listed at PF for $0. It also depends on anyone not listed being available for $0.

PG - Damian Lillard = $5
SG - Wesley Mattews = $0
SF - Clyde Drexler = $5
PF - Brian Grant = $0
C - Bill Walton = $5
Total = $15

This is the closest we can come to a modern superstar driven team. Dame, Clyde and Walton are our Big 3 and we fill in the other two positions with solid role players. Pre-injury Wes was a great 3 & D fourth option who can lock down the oppositions best perimeter scorer and BGrant gives us rebounding, interior defense and toughness.


Unfortunately, this starting 5 is also not posssible under the rules of the game as stated.

So, I have to go with:

PG - Terry Porter = $4
SG - Brandon Roy $4
SF - Scottie Pippin = $1
PF - Buck Williams = $1
C - Bill Walton = $5
Total = $15

That team would kick ass in the previous generation, but lacks 3-point shooting compared to other current top teams. That team would have great defense, rebounding and passing. So, they would still compete and would be well suited for the post season where the games slow down and defense, rebounding and efficient scoring become even more important. Ultimately, for the modern game, I prefer my first two choices, but given the imposed constraints, I think these five represent the best values at each position.

BNM




Your $15 team to me resembles a Utah Jazz team.:shitstorm:
 
Point Guard: Rod Strickland ($2)
Shooting Guard: CJ McCollum ($2)
Small Forward: Scottie Pippen ($1)
Power Forward: Rasheed Wallace ($5)
Center: Bill Walton ($5)

I've always thought and said that Wallace would be just about the ideal power forward in this era. Bill Walton would be great in any era, but he'd be a nice fit for this era igniting fast breaks. Strickland was a more than capable point guard and could navigate the pick-and-roll...a must for this era. If only he could shoot the three. Pippen is a perfect defensive fit for this switch-heavy era and he had a decent enough shot to at least force defenders to stay attached out to the three-point line. Once again, we have a small backcourt with no defensive stopper but the front court is so absurdly defensively gifted that it should work out.
 
Your $15 team to me resembles a Utah Jazz team.:shitstorm:

Why, because they play defense? Make no mistake, they can also score, and score very efficiently. Prime Brandon Roy was a better scorer than Hayward. Porter was a better, more efficient scorer than anyone UTA has had at PG since John Stockton and Walton was a much more complete player than Gobert will ever be.

My Starters:

Brandon Roy = 22.6 ppg
Bill Walton = 18.6 ppg
Terry Porter = 18.2 ppg
Buck Williams = 13.6 ppg
Scottie Pippen = 12.5 ppg
Total = 85.5 ppg

UTA Starters:

Gordon Hayward = 21.9 ppg
George Hill = 16.9 ppg (missed 33 ganes)
Rudy Gobert = 14.0 ppg
Rodney Hood = 12.7 ppg
Derrick Favors = 9.5 ppg (missed 32 games)
Total = 75.0 ppg

10.5 ppg is very significant. Throw in an average NBA bench, and my team is at 116.5 ppg and UTA is at 106 ppg. Offensively, that's basically the difference between 2016-17 GSW (116.5 ppg) and 2016-17 BRK (105.8 PPG).

With Porter, Roy, Walton and Pippen, my team also has much better passing , insuring plenty of easy baskets for everyone.

On the other had if you were referring to the Stockton-Malone UTA teams that won 60+ games and went to the finals in consecutive years, I'll take that.

Still, I like my other two teams better - especially for the modern game.

BNM
 
Point Guard: Rod Strickland ($2)
Shooting Guard: CJ McCollum ($2)
Small Forward: Scottie Pippen ($1)
Power Forward: Rasheed Wallace ($5)
Center: Bill Walton ($5)

I've always thought and said that Wallace would be just about the ideal power forward in this era. Bill Walton would be great in any era, but he'd be a nice fit for this era igniting fast breaks. Strickland was a more than capable point guard and could navigate the pick-and-roll...a must for this era. If only he could shoot the three. Pippen is a perfect defensive fit for this switch-heavy era and he had a decent enough shot to at least force defenders to stay attached out to the three-point line. Once again, we have a small backcourt with no defensive stopper but the front court is so absurdly defensively gifted that it should work out.

There would be quite a few "Miracle Minute" moments with this team
 
Why, because they play defense? Make no mistake, they can also score, and score very efficiently. Prime Brandon Roy was a better scorer than Hayward. Porter was a better, more efficient scorer than anyone UTA has had at PG since John Stockton and Walton was a much more complete player than Gobert will ever be.

My Starters:

Brandon Roy = 22.6 ppg
Bill Walton = 18.6 ppg
Terry Porter = 18.2 ppg
Buck Williams = 13.6 ppg
Scottie Pippen = 12.5 ppg
Total = 85.5 ppg

UTA Starters:

Gordon Hayward = 21.9 ppg
George Hill = 16.9 ppg (missed 33 ganes)
Rudy Gobert = 14.0 ppg
Rodney Hood = 12.7 ppg
Derrick Favors = 9.5 ppg (missed 32 games)
Total = 75.0 ppg

10.5 ppg is very significant. Throw in an average NBA bench, and my team is at 116.5 ppg and UTA is at 106 ppg. Offensively, that's basically the difference between 2016-17 GSW (116.5 ppg) and 2016-17 BRK (105.8 PPG).

With Porter, Roy, Walton and Pippen, my team also has much better passing , insuring plenty of easy baskets for everyone.

On the other had if you were referring to the Stockton-Malone UTA teams that won 60+ games and went to the finals in consecutive years, I'll take that.

Still, I like my other two teams better - especially for the modern game.

BNM

Yeah, I was looking at it as your team would get the majority of their wins via defense and stopping the other team from scoring but you do have a point, 10.5 points is significant so I concede my previous statement.

Unless it could apply to a Derron Williams or Stockton era Jazz Team? Probably not though, right?
 
Porter ($4)
McCollum ($2)
Pippen ($1)
Lucas ($4)
Sabonis ($4)

Great offensively, with 4 Three point shooters and good passing from PG, SF, and C. 4 great defenders in Porter, Pippen, Lucas, and Sabonis. Intimidating frontcourt.
 
Point Guard: Rod Strickland ($2)
Shooting Guard: CJ McCollum ($2)
Small Forward: Scottie Pippen ($1)
Power Forward: Rasheed Wallace ($5)
Center: Bill Walton ($5)

I've always thought and said that Wallace would be just about the ideal power forward in this era. Bill Walton would be great in any era, but he'd be a nice fit for this era igniting fast breaks. Strickland was a more than capable point guard and could navigate the pick-and-roll...a must for this era. If only he could shoot the three. Pippen is a perfect defensive fit for this switch-heavy era and he had a decent enough shot to at least force defenders to stay attached out to the three-point line. Once again, we have a small backcourt with no defensive stopper but the front court is so absurdly defensively gifted that it should work out.
Is there an echo in here!?
 
It's objectively the best $15 lineup imho.
Without breaking the rules like BNM did, I would agree that it's either that or the OP's selection.
Dame -- Strickland
Roy ---- CJ
Pippen - Pippen
Buck --- Sheed
Sabas -- Walton

Either side would be pretty strong.

Should be noted that you can get the entire 90-92 starting lineup for only $14, or could have the 2000 starters for $15 with CJ in place of Smitty.
 

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