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[Lanny]

But you were insinuating that Jody cared about the Blazers. That's no different than saying she doesn't care.

Jody stated last year after PA passing that she's never been much of a basketball fan. Admittedly, there is a big difference between being a fan & being an owner. She doesn't HAVE to like basketball to be intimately involved with the team.

The Blazers are not particularly profitable, so why else would someone maintain ownership? That's right, they have a personal interest in how the team is doing.
Make logic your friend.

Now, let's all have some popcorn and see what I've stirred up.

 

[CupWizier]

But you were insinuating that Jody cared about the Blazers. That's no different than saying she doesn't care.

Jody stated last year after PA passing that she's never been much of a basketball fan. Admittedly, there is a big difference between being a fan & being an owner. She doesn't HAVE to like basketball to be intimately involved with the team.

I was merely offering counterpoints and that she stated she wanted to make sure her brothers visions continued and that PA was very passionate about the Blazers. It would be one thing if I started the dialogue by saying that Jody Allen cares very much about the Blazers and is very in tune with the team, but I didn't. It was started by someone else saying the complete opposite.

I could make a statement that Lillard wants out of Portland, but I have nothing to substantiate that and I imagine it would get tons of hits of posters arguing that point. I even told TBF that we should just agree to disagree.

 

[wizenheimer]

I would think that if my brother's passing bequeathed billion+ dollar assets to my care,

if my brother's passing was going to bequeath me a billion dollars....well, RIP brother, I found a way. He's kind of an ass anyway

 

[Chris Craig]

All of you, who gives a fuck

 

[hoopsjock]

Couldn't keep the team together because Turner & Leonard were grossly overpaid and CJ somewhat overpaid, no? If we still had Aminu, Hark, Leonard, and for all we knew Zach, we could have gotten by with a lesser center than HW who will be overkill when Nurk returns.

The REASON that it was impossible to keep the team together, was largely because of the position that NO put HIMSELF into based on prior decisions.

Yes, I understand and get that he was hamstrung by his own contracts. However, you guys are seemingly discrediting him for not being able to keep a team together that he was responsible for putting together despite his own limitations if that makes sense?

Besides we haven't even seen what's going to happen yet with this particular roster. Hood and Kanter weren't even on the team at this point last season. Nurk hadn't gotten injured yet. I believe Whiteside was brought in as a stop gap until Nurk was close to being ready and will still be used as a trade piece moving forward, same with Bazemore. Hezonja and Tolliver have been crap but Olshey turned two useless players in Stauskas and Baldwin into Hood last year.

I'm extremely frustrated with the injuries and don't think that they are an excuse for losing to bad teams when we still have Dame and CJ but that also doesn't mean that I think they should be a top-4 team in the West with those injuries either.

 

[Chris Craig]

Yes, I understand and get that he was hamstrung by his own contracts. However, you guys are seemingly discrediting him for not being able to keep a team together that he was responsible for putting together despite his own limitations if that makes sense?

Besides we haven't even seen what's going to happen yet with this particular roster. Hood and Kanter weren't even on the team at this point last season. Nurk hadn't gotten injured yet. I believe Whiteside was brought in as a stop gap until Nurk was close to being ready and will still be used as a trade piece moving forward, same with Bazemore. Hezonja and Tolliver have been crap but Olshey turned two useless players in Stauskas and Baldwin into Hood last year.

I'm extremely frustrated with the injuries and don't think that they are an excuse for losing to bad teams when we still have Dame and CJ but that also doesn't mean that I think they should be a top-4 team in the West with those injuries either.

Blazers certainly shouldn't be 14-21

 

[Lanny]

All of you, who gives a fuck

Hey, don't be a pansy, don't sugar coat it.

 

[hoopsjock]

Blazers certainly shouldn't be 14-21

Yes, I agree. They should be a lot closer to OKC's record than 14-21.

 

[Chris Craig]

Hey, don't be a pansy, don't sugar coat it.

No sugar coated on this one. In fact...it's bitter...very fucking bitter

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Blazers certainly shouldn't be 14-21

I don't know. I had really high hopes coming into this season, but at this point watching them play 14-21 seems kind of decent. Could easily be worse. I think Dame is the only high caliber player they have. Most teams at least have 2-3 guys who are legit starters. Blazers have one in my opinion. I even think Whiteside has played fairly well, but the more I watch the more I totally understand why my Floridian friend was so glad to get rid of him.

 

[Chris Craig]

I don't know. I had really high hopes coming into this season, but at this point watching them play 14-21 seems kind of decent. Could easily be worse. I think Dame is the only high caliber player they have. Most teams at least have 2-3 guys who are legit starters. Blazers have one in my opinion. I even think Whiteside has played fairly well, but the more I watch the more I totally understand why my Floridian friend was so glad to get rid of him.

The thing about Whiteside is you have to keep him angry to keep him interested in the game. He can only play as the Hulk. Otherwise he just turns back into Bruce Banner and runs away...hitchiking bastard

 

[Lanny]

No sugar coated on this one. In fact...it's bitter...very fucking bitter

That was my point. Well, that and trying to inject a little humor less this thing explode.

 

[Chris Craig]

That was my point. Well, that and trying to inject a little humor less this thing explode.

It already exploded. We are sitting in the remnants

 

[Lanny]

It already exploded. We are sitting in the remnants

I refuse to accept that. There's always hope.

 

[Chris Craig]

I refuse to accept that. There's always hope.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

The thing about Whiteside is you have to keep him angry to keep him interested in the game. He can only play as the Hulk. Otherwise he just turns back into Bruce Banner and runs away...hitchiking bastard

Lol, I just have 0 emotion towards this team right now which is working out well. When they win, its good, when they lose its fine. Its just a couple hours of “entertainment” and on occasion hanging out with friends at a game. Excited to see a healthy Nurk again someday.

 

[hoopsjock]

I don't know. I had really high hopes coming into this season, but at this point watching them play 14-21 seems kind of decent. Could easily be worse. I think Dame is the only high caliber player they have. Most teams at least have 2-3 guys who are legit starters. Blazers have one in my opinion. I even think Whiteside has played fairly well, but the more I watch the more I totally understand why my Floridian friend was so glad to get rid of him.

Oh c'mon man, this opinion is crazy Tortured!

Even if you hate CJ, he is a legit starting caliber player. Whiteside isn't perfect but he's been a lot better than Miami fans take on him.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

In the past Id get so angry and riled up when they were bad, but for whatever reason at this point Ive just totally accepted it.
Whiteside is OK, Melo’s bad, Baze is bad, CJ belongs as a 6th man or a leading role like Dame has on a ECF team (he’s just not as good as Dame), Dames good. The bench possibly because of injuries is an utter disaster. Sure the coaching might not be good, but I dont know if Dr. Jack could get this team to look good. Down year and thats ok, hopefully next year things are looking better and I dont particularly care how they do it, whether its coaching, trades or FA’s, theres a lot that needs done.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Oh c'mon man, this opinion is crazy Tortured!

Even if you hate CJ, he is a legit starting caliber player. Whiteside isn't perfect but he's been a lot better than Miami fans take on him.

Bam clearly beat him out, and it wasnt just an attitude problem. I dont hate CJ but as a 2g he’s a chucker, I think in a different role he’d be better, when he runs the team he’s much more likely to pass.

 

[tester551]

The Blazers are not particularly profitable, so why else would someone maintain ownership? That's right, they have a personal interest in how the team is doing.
Make logic your friend.

Now, let's all have some popcorn and see what I've stirred up.

Having a personal interest is one possible reason, but there are many more... Just to name a few:

1) Size of estate -> PA passed 15 months ago? It takes time to go through an estate and determine what to liquidate and what to keep. Thus far we have only heard of the yacht and the stratolaunch going up for sale. I'm assuming those are two of the 'easiest' things to sell off from a logistics/management standpoint. For the size of the estate, I would expect it would take 4-5 years to liquidate the items Jody doesn't want to keep.

2) Tax planning -> Taxes are a major consideration on the order/sequencing of liquidating the estate. They may choose to hold onto some assets for a while longer for tax purposes.

3) Existing contracts/agreements -> Blazers are locked in Portland until 2023 and have an agreement to play at the Moda Center until 2025. Jody may be holding onto the Blazers until these contracts are closer to expiring, which would give the new owners more options for which they may be willign to pay a small premium for.

Again, just because the Blazers haven't been sold YET, doesn't mean that Jody has any intention of holding onto them long term.
Make logic your friend....


Now these are the things that we know for sure:
1) PA loved the Blazers
2) Jody never really cared for basketball as a sport
3) Jody wants to honor PA and carry on his 'vision'. This may include the Blazers, but it very well might not...
4) Jody attended many games towards the end of the season and playoffs last year. It appeared that she enjoyed the entertainment.
5) Jody attended many games early this season, but seems to have been absent at the more recent games.
6) It's too damn early to have any idea of what will happen with the Blazers ownership. Jody may not even know at this point....

All we can do is wait and see what happens. If Blazers haven't been sold by 2025, then I think the odds of Jody keeping the team long-term are very high. Until that point, it's too early to know for sure.

 

[Hobbesarable]

Lol, I just have 0 emotion towards this team right now which is working out well. When they win, its good, when they lose its fine. Its just a couple hours of “entertainment” and on occasion hanging out with friends at a game. Excited to see a healthy Nurk again someday.

It is like I posted that.

 

[hoopsjock]

Bam clearly beat him out, and it wasnt just an attitude problem. I dont hate CJ but as a 2g he’s a chucker, I think in a different role he’d be better, when he runs the team he’s much more likely to pass.

Have you seen what Bam is doing this year? He's putting up numbers comparable to Nurk last season, maybe even better considering his higher assist average and FG%. He's probably the favorite for MIP this year. I don't think there is any shame in saying that Whiteside got beat out by him.

CJ does run the offense with the 2nd unit so why is he not better in that role? It's coaching, in my opinion. But to say he's not a starting quality player in this league is just absurd man.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Have you seen what Bam is doing this year? He's putting up numbers comparable to Nurk last season, maybe even better considering his higher assist average and FG%. He's probably the favorite for MIP this year. I don't think there is any shame in saying that Whiteside got beat out by him.

CJ does run the offense with the 2nd unit so why is he not better in that role? It's coaching, in my opinion. But to say he's not a starting quality player in this league is just absurd man.

I have seen what Bams doing this year. The coaching might help, but the talent isnt good either. They just arent good. They are what they are. A superstar with not much else except inefficient scorers and no defense in sight.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Have you seen what Bam is doing this year? He's putting up numbers comparable to Nurk last season, maybe even better considering his higher assist average and FG%. He's probably the favorite for MIP this year. I don't think there is any shame in saying that Whiteside got beat out by him.

CJ does run the offense with the 2nd unit so why is he not better in that role? It's coaching, in my opinion. But to say he's not a starting quality player in this league is just absurd man.

Oh and CJ isnt good running the offense on our 2nd unit because our 2nd unit is currently a glorified gleague team.

 

[hoopsjock]

I have seen what Bams doing this year. The coaching might help, but the talent isnt good either. They just arent good. They are what they are. A superstar with not much else except inefficient scorers and no defense in sight.

Oh and CJ isnt good running the offense on our 2nd unit because our 2nd unit is currently a glorified gleague team.

Okay man, I think you giving up on the season is effecting your logic here but you're certainly welcome to your opinion.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Okay man, I think you giving up on the season is effecting your logic here but you're certainly welcome to your opinion.

I think that everyone thinking Stotts is the reason for the team being bad all year (and years prior) is also affecting people's logic too. There's some balance in there, bad coaching, bad team, equals bad record. Their bench, especially after the injuries, is just awful. Simons has a good game every 2-3 weeks, which is ok he's young but he's clearly not ready. Little gets really sporadic minutes, Tolliver isn't good, Mario's not very good, Skal was playing ok I guess but he's out too now. The bench is really bad. The starters aren't anything special. Sometimes players just don't mix. They just aren't a good team.

 

[tlongII]

The thing people don't seem to realize is you can't have as many key pieces go down to injury while simultaneously integrating new players to the roster and expect to be any good. It's not just the talent that we lost, but the type of talent. Outside of Whiteside we have NO BIG GUYS that are worth a shit. I'm not a big Stotts supporter, but he isn't the reason we're so bad. It is a BAD TEAM right now.

 

[CupWizier]

The thing people don't seem to realize is you can't have as many key pieces go down to injury while simultaneously integrating new players to the roster and expect to be any good. It's not just the talent that we lost, but the type of talent. Outside of Whiteside we have NO BIG GUYS that are worth a shit. I'm not a big Stotts supporter, but he isn't the reason we're so bad. It is a BAD TEAM right now.

That is definitely a big part of it and sometimes teams just struggle for whatever reason. We could have come back with the same team and seen similar results and that's why the games are played. Maybe this is just going to be one of those lost years? Sure injuries are part of the game and an injury to a player on team A could have a bigger effect than a player injured on team B even if the player on team B is a more significant player. Chemistry plays a big part in a teams success and sometimes the chemistry just doesn't work.

 

[HailBlazers]

Nobody said anything about them being "a big deal". Simply worthy of attention/interest. And even when considering multi-billion dollar enterprise, 10% is pretty significant. Yes, there's no "proof" that she "cares" about the team, but it is more reasonable than not to assume that she is aware of its status and performance.

Attending the games front row and cheering is enough proof for me. Don't expect her to attend while we're sucking though, haven't been motivated to even watch on TV myself.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Attending the games front row and cheering is enough proof for me. Don't expect her to attend while we're sucking though, haven't been motivated to even watch on TV myself.

Well, if she isn't interested in using her front row tickets, I'd certainly gladly take them off her hands...