Zombie Fire Olshey

[calvin natt]

Skimming through this.
Neil 100% knew for two years LMA wanted to leave for a Texas team. I knew it because I was told by someone directly involved with it. The someone is one of my best friends. I posted this elsewhere at the time. LMA for as much as people hate him, gave the team two years to figure something out and they didn’t.

 

[TBpup]

Skimming through this.
Neil 100% knew for two years LMA wanted to leave for a Texas team. I knew it because I was told by someone directly involved with it. The someone is one of my best friends. I posted this elsewhere at the time. LMA for as much as people hate him, gave the team two years to figure something out and they didn’t.

Agreed. Too many people knew for Olshey not to know.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Skimming through this.
Neil 100% knew for two years LMA wanted to leave for a Texas team. I knew it because I was told by someone directly involved with it. The someone is one of my best friends. I posted this elsewhere at the time. LMA for as much as people hate him, gave the team two years to figure something out and they didn’t.

But, but.....reporters.

The botching of LMA is one of the big reasons Neil should go.

Neil was one of several people in the Blazers front office that was told by LMA he was not returning.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Who knows what Olshey 'knew' but he had to be aware of some things. I was told in no uncertain terms from someone very close to the LA camp that he would not be back and that was a season and a half before he left. So if someone was telling me that, other people absolutely had to know.

Olshey knew but let his ego believe he could change LA’s mind.

NO knew, PA knew, others knew he was not coming back

Kim Hughes knew.

Aldridge flew.
Olshey knew.
Turk 182.

 

[dviss1]

I fucking hate (HATE!!!) citing Canzano but he also heard well in advance that LMA was not coming back and took some serious flack over it. But he was correct, no matter how anyone feels about that. Olshey knew but let his ego believe he could change LA’s mind. And we got fucked. That facts are that Aldridge made up his mind to go and he did. All the revisionist history in the world isn’t gonna change that. NO fucked up and it is what it is.....

Yeah, no. LA fucked us at the last minute and it's you who's revising history.

 

[dviss1]

It's nice to hear all of the people in here with ESP who can know others thoughts.

#Fact: No one in here knew what Olshey knew and when.

#Fact: LA took a long ass time (was it over a week?) to decide.

I truly question the speculative nature of determining what people knew and when without using facts.

 

[Minstrel]

#Fact: No one in here knew what Olshey knew and when.

Time to appoint a special counsel.

 

[tester551]

It's nice to hear all of the people in here with ESP who can know others thoughts.

#Fact: No one in here knew what Olshey knew and when.

#Fact: LA took a long ass time (was it over a week?) to decide.

I truly question the speculative nature of determining what people knew and when without using facts.

 

[dviss1]

Ostriches really don't do that so... Fake news??

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

It's nice to hear all of the people in here with ESP who can know others thoughts.


#Fact: LA took a long ass time (was it over a week?) to decide.

Do we know for a fact if it took him a week to decide or he just didn't reveal his decision for a week? Do we know for a fact that he was even considering the Blazers during that week, or was his decision-making involving other teams?

 

[tlongII]

Look I don’t know how early Kim Hughes knew, but he knew before the Blazers admitted it. That’s why he got fired. That is a documented fact.

 

[dviss1]

Do we know for a fact if it took him a week to decide or he just didn't reveal his decision for a week? Do we know for a fact that he was even considering the Blazers during that week, or was his decision-making involving other teams?

Then let me rephrase:

It took his PUNK ASS a week to announce his decision.

 

[dviss1]

Look I don’t know how early Kim Hughes knew, but he knew before the Blazers admitted it. That’s why he got fired. That is a documented fact.

That was reported on 6/2/2015.

2 days later Lamarcus announced.

 

[tlongII]

That was reported on 6/2/2015.

2 days later Lamarcus announced.

Thanks.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

That was reported on 6/2/2015.

2 days later Lamarcus announced.

Reported 7/2, but recorded 6/26 (linked article says Hughes' comments were the day after the draft). Clearly he already knew LA was out well before the FA period began.

 

[dviss1]

Reported 7/2, but recorded 6/26 (linked article says Hughes' comments were the day after the draft). Clearly he already knew LA was out well before the FA period began.

Did you read that right? Reported 6/2.

nvm. Typo

 

[dviss1]

I read your post. Then I read the linked article.
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Then I dismissed the 6/2 in your post, giving you the benefit of the doubt and chalking it up to a typo, since you also said that Lamarcus announced 2 days later, and since we know that the NBA free agency period begins in July, not June, that you must have meant 7/2. I'm going to hold to that assumption.

This still doesn't mean Olshey knew. Jussayin.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

This still doesn't mean Olshey knew. Jussayin.

What's that Judge Judy quote you often like to pull out? "If it doesn't make sense, it's not true," right? Does it really make sense to you that Kim Hughes would know, Canzano would know, people that tbpup talks to would know, but the team's general manager would be caught unawares?

You are welcome to hold to that extremely unlikely theory, but you're gonna be pretty well alone on that one.

 

[Mediocre Man]

This still doesn't mean Olshey knew. Jussayin.

Literally knew 100%

 

[dviss1]

What's that Judge Judy quote you often like to pull out? "If it doesn't make sense, it's not true," right? Does it really make sense to you that Kim Hughes would know, Canzano would know, people that tbpup talks to would know, but the team's general manager would be caught unawares?

You are welcome to hold to that extremely unlikely theory, but you're gonna be pretty well alone on that one.

Literally knew 100%

This is what's killing me: Let's say Olshey knew the very second Kim Huges knew.

When could he have the opportunity to trade LA for the deal that everyone in here is whining about?

Right. He wouldn't have that opportunity.

 

[Mediocre Man]

This is what's killing me: Let's say Olshey knew the very second Kim Huges knew.

When could he have the opportunity to trade LA for the deal that everyone in here is whining about?

Right. He wouldn't have that opportunity.

LMA let Neil know nearly two years prior to his contract expiring that he wanted out. 2 YEARS. Instead, Neil, and Paul, both thought tgey could appease LMA. They couldn't.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

This is what's killing me: Let's say Olshey knew the very second Kim Huges knew.

When could he have the opportunity to trade LA for the deal that everyone in here is whining about?

Right. He wouldn't have that opportunity.

Understood; I'm just trying to help you dial back the rhetoric just a tad.

Personally, I understood the position of those who wanted him dealt the summer of 2013. But once the team started out strong (what, 17-3 the first 20, or something like that?), it would have been ludicrous for Olshey to deal the all-star, perceived best player from a potentially contending squad. And I honestly believed that there was a good chance that Aldridge was going to stick around, given how good the team had suddenly become. Then the Houston series and 0.9 happened, and how are you going to trade a cornerstone off of that team? The fanbase would have stormed the Moda with torches and pitchforks if he had. And then they were even better that next year (in my mind), despite a few injuries here and there. Yes, we had the various rumblings that Aldridge was growing increasingly displeased with the growing level of attention and adulation that Dame was receiving, but that still wasn't a reason to bust up what appeared to be a top-3 team in the conference. At the 2015 trade deadline, we were buyers, not sellers; that Afflalo deal had a chance to be the move that put the team over the top, and we saw the fruits of that in the first 6 games he played. The advanced metrics on the team immediately following Afflalo's acquisition were at the level of the best in the league.

In my mind, the day that Aldridge mentally left the Blazers was March 5, 2015--the day Wes tore his achilles. Up until that point, we were exactly the kind of franchise Aldridge wanted to be a part of. Once Wes went down, that squad fell apart, and there was no chance he was going to stay.

So I see where the "trade Aldridge" camp was coming from all along, and for a very short period (2013 offseason) I was with them, but I have a lot of difficulty faulting Olshey for betting on himself and his ability to build a contender around LA and keep him--because as far as I'm concerned, he was one tendon away from doing just that.

 

[calvin natt]

It's nice to hear all of the people in here with ESP who can know others thoughts.

#Fact: No one in here knew what Olshey knew and when.

#Fact: LA took a long ass time (was it over a week?) to decide.

I truly question the speculative nature of determining what people knew and when without using facts.

Wrong.

 

[dviss1]

Wrong.

Just like every single time you post?

 

[dviss1]

because as far as I'm concerned, he was one tendon away from doing just that.

But AFTER the injury. After the MEM series. DURING the offseason. All we got was "I want to be the best Blazer ever" until Kim Hughes' comment.

Folks need to stop with that whole "NO knew all along" bullcrap because that's revisionist history.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Folks need to stop with that whole "NO knew all along" bullcrap because that's revisionist history.

I'd say it's just a different interpretation of the sincerity of Aldridge's comments. The claim is that he told the FO in 2013 that he wanted out. If people believe that Aldridge's public comments were just PR, then it's perfectly reasonable for those people to simultaneously say that Olshey knew all along that Aldridge wanted to leave. Especially if those people were making that very claim througjout his final two years here.

That's not revisionist history; that's consistency.

 

[dviss1]

I'd say it's just a different interpretation of the sincerity of Aldridge's comments. The claim is that he told the FO in 2013 that he wanted out. If people believe that Aldridge's public comments were just PR, then it's perfectly reasonable for those people to simultaneously say that Olshey knew all along that Aldridge wanted to leave. Especially if those people were making that very claim througjout his final two years here.

That's not revisionist history; that's consistency.

Man, he specifically denied that. Just because people in here didn't believe him at the time doesn't make it true. There's nothing to suggest that he did. Using it as ammo to say NO knew is crap to me and again, revisionist history.

Show me one story where LA is quoted as asking for a trade. I'll wait.

 

[TBpup]

But AFTER the injury. After the MEM series. DURING the offseason. All we got was "I want to be the best Blazer ever" until Kim Hughes' comment.

Folks need to stop with that whole "NO knew all along" bullcrap because that's revisionist history.

Lip service. He wanted to be loved, wanted the attention, even when he wouldn't do what it took to get it and would be jealous of Dame when he did. There are countless examples of that. People say things to the media all the time that they don't come close to meaning. I take what he told to people very close to him with much more weight.

 

[Scalma]

WHO GIVES A FUCK ABOUT ALDRIDGE (evidently some still do hehe)

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Man, he specifically denied that. Just because people in here didn't believe him at the time doesn't make it true. There's nothing to suggest that he did. Using it as ammo to say NO knew is crap to me and again, revisionist history.

Show me one story where LA is quoted as asking for a trade. I'll wait.

Wait...you're telling me that because the man you call the Texas Turncoat, the man about whom you said just yesterday:

The truth is that turncoat motherfucker LIED.

Plain and simple.

claimed he never demanded a trade, you take that claim as gospel? If he was lying about wanting to be the best Blazer ever, was lying about looking forward to signing that 5-year-deal to stay here, why wouldn't he have been lying about not demanding a trade?

Of course he never came out and said publicly that he wanted to be traded. But there was plenty of evidence to suggest that he made that very request behind the scenes. Again, just because you didn't/don't believe it doesn't make it revisionist history on the part of those who did/do.