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Would you trade Anfernee and Sharpe and x picks for Shai Gilgeous Alexander?

  • Yes, for any x<3

    Votes: 3 4.5%

  • Yes if x=1 and is protected

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Yes for Simons and Sharpe with NO picks (or maybe a second or two)

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • No

    Votes: 64 95.5%
  • Total voters
    67
WesleyMatthews said:
That happens all the time. Daniel Theis was signed last summer by Houston and then traded at the deadline.

Why are you now saying the Blazers have to trade Payton in months? Your comment was the Blazers can't resign Hart next season because of Paytons long term contract, which is what I argued against.
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lol funny to pile on without actually understanding context behind comments. carry on.
 
WesleyMatthews said:
That happens all the time. Daniel Theis was signed last summer by Houston and then traded at the deadline.

Why are you now saying the Blazers have to trade Payton in months? Your comment was the Blazers can't resign Hart next season because of Paytons long term contract, which is what I argued against.
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I can't speak for the people saying it but I suspect the reason they are taking the position Hart will be traded is because of having to re-sign him and the Vulcan seeming reluctance to pay luxury tax

but here's the thing about that: the luxury tax threshold went up by 14M from last season to this one. If you assume just a 10M jump next season (could easily be more), then next year's tax line would be around 160M

now, if you assume Hart opts-out of the final year of his deal, then the Blazers would be at around 120M in payroll for 10 players. And they have Grant-Hart-Winslow as FA's. Eubanks will be FA to but I don't think he has an impact of this equation. Obviously, Winslow would be 3rd priority. And Grant 1st priority. Blazers have 40M under the tax to work with. I don't know what Grant will get. I'm thinking 25M. That would be 28M/year. That might even be a little high. Anyway, that leaves 15M under the line. Say Hart gets all of that. That would be a contract paying him 17M/year.

that would have Portland at the tax line with 12 players. 2 minimum contract guys would put Portland 3-4M over the line resulting in a 4-6M tax bill. Is that really so onerous? And remember, the tax line could actually be higher than the 160M used in the assumption. Obvously, the Grant/Hart contracts could be higher as well but I'd think 28M/year for Grant and 17M/year for Hart are in a realistic ballpark

another factor: set Simons aside for a minute. So the next consideration is Shape/Hart/Payton. If Payton was an actual PG his 6'2 size wouldn't be an issue. But he's not. Meaning the assumption that Hart is the odd man out among the 3 seems pretty shaky. I did not like the Payton signing; not with hard-capping the team. I thought it was a mistake. Maybe Payton's play will change my mind, but I am really tired of Portland length-deficient rosters.

it's way early, but Hart is averaging 11pts-9reb-4ast-2stl with an assist/turnover ratio over 2.0 and a 12% usage rate. All of that while playing good defense and leading the team in hustle and intensity. It's next to impossible for me to imagine Payton producing at a higher level or having a bigger impact
 
Another nice night for Myles Turner: 27 points, 3 for 4 from the three, 10 for 10 on FT's, 4 blocks, Simons is gonna have to show some stuff between now and January if we hope to make a trade.
 
Of course I have bailed on this trade because I'm all aboard the Sharpe bandwagon, but:


So, new suggestion (remember, it has to be remotely plausible on OKC's end):
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I would say there are some douzies in here.....but I don't know how to spell douzies.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
Of course I have bailed on this trade because I'm all aboard the Sharpe bandwagon, but:


So, new suggestion (remember, it has to be remotely plausible on OKC's end):
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Seems obvious to do that trade in a heartbeat. But do we know how well SGA can play alongside a ball-dominant guard like Dame? We're just using his second year playing with CP3 as evidence that pairing would work?
 
It's crazy the difference a few months makes. Back in June it was arguing whether to trade #7 + Hart/Nas for OG. Now the Blazers would be the one asking for 2 extra firsts in that deal. And even then I don't know if they would do it.

Would the Blazers trade Sharpe + Ant for KD right now? I would hope so, but part of me thinks the team wouldn't.
 
Good player on bad team does not equal good player on good team.
 
Time to buy real low on Ben Simmons, Portland is exactly the place he needs to regain his confidence.

Dame
Hart
Sharpe
Grant
Simmons

Sign me up.
 
LayneStaley said:
Time to buy real low on Ben Simmons, Portland is exactly the place he needs to regain his confidence.

Dame
Hart
Sharpe
Grant
Simmons

Sign me up.
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Once we're allowed to trade Nurk, we'd have to add a bunch of salary to make this trade work. I don't even think adding Josh Hart and Winslow would be enough.
 
Tince said:
Once we're allowed to trade Nurk, we'd have to add a bunch of salary to make this trade work. I don't even think adding Josh Hart and Winslow would be enough.
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What about Nurk/GP3/Hart. Not really sure how low Simmons value is? We’d have to wait a bit but I think eventually a consolidation trade will be needed and who says Hart resigns anyway.

Dame
Simons/Keon
Sharpe/Nas/Watford
Grant/Winslow/Walker
Simmons/Eubanks

Can Dame/Simons/Sharpe/Keon hold down the backcourt?
 
I was one of the staunchest Simmons guys over the summer then I heard more rumors about his head being not ok. Watching him this season he's just mentally done it seems. Could he come back? Maybe, but with our cap situation and top-shelf chemistry I just don't see the need to make a trade and I'm now officially leery of Simmons and kudos to all the people who slammed on him. Turns out you were right and I was wrong!

Side note, see how easy that is, admitting you're wrong?
 
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An old mentor used to always tell me, "it's a quick trip from the penthouse to the outhouse" and I think that applies to Simmons. I hope for his sake that he was somewhat responsible with his money.
 
LayneStaley said:
What about Nurk/GP3/Hart. Not really sure how low Simmons value is? We’d have to wait a bit but I think eventually a consolidation trade will be needed and who says Hart resigns anyway.

Dame
Simons/Keon
Sharpe/Nas/Watford
Grant/Winslow/Walker
Simmons/Eubanks

Can Dame/Simons/Sharpe/Keon hold down the backcourt?
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I think those 3 would be enough (or close to) to match salaries. Seems like a lot of give up for Simmons. I certainly wouldn't consider it getting him on the cheap.
 
Idog1976 said:
I was one of the staunchest Simmons guys over the summer then I heard more rumors about his head being not ok. Watching him this season he's just mentally done it seems. Could he come back? Maybe, but with our cap situation and top-shelf chemistry I just don't see the need to make a trade and I'm no officially leery of Simmons and kudos to all the people who slammed on him. Turns out you were right and I was wrong!

Side note, see how easy that is, admitting you're wrong?
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I, like you, was far more open to the Simmons idea this summer than I am now, for the exact reasons you listed.
 
I was open for Simmons. Based around CJ. Still am open to Simmons in theory, but practically, looking at salaries, I'm opposed to what it would take.
So, in a vacuum yes, with what we'd have to offer, no.
 
If we could somehow acquire Brogdon that would be amazing. Dude is such a baller. Plays chess while everyone else plays checkers defensively. Still can’t believe the Celtics got him for what they did.
 
This is my 1st time this season telling someone that a trade ...... SUCKS

Next ... LOL
 
LayneStaley said:
Time to buy real low on Ben Simmons, Portland is exactly the place he needs to regain his confidence.

Dame
Hart
Sharpe
Grant
Simmons

Sign me up.
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As RR7 has also said, in theory Ben could still be a good fit for us. But what about Ben’s play this season is telling you he’d be a good starting C for us?

I’d still maybe be interested in Ben, but the buy low would have to also be met with a sell high, meaning Brooklyn would have to love Simons enough to give us at least 2 or 3 1sts for taking on Simmons’ contract.

Simons isn’t a great playmaker yet, but he can actually score in the halfcourt. Simmons on the other hand, his playmaking in the halfcourt is highly suspect combined with his inability to score. So getting rid of Simons for Simmons actually does nothing for us even if it’s a “buy low”. And contrary to popular belief, Nurkic is better than Simmons right now.
 
Shaboid said:
An old mentor used to always tell me, "it's a quick trip from the penthouse to the outhouse" and I think that applies to Simmons. I hope for his sake that he was somewhat responsible with his money.
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I was thinking that too. I hope he has some very good investment people looking out for him. He seems lost in so many ways. I hope he can find his way in the NBA again, but not sure he will be able too.
 
The only way you take a chance on Simmons , at this point, is with a minimum contract deal. I wouldn't trade any of our top 9 for him. He's lost.
 
If i thought Simmons could be any good, I would consider Simons, Nurk and Payton for Simmons and Claxton. Maybe they could throw in Watanabe or a draft pick.
 
1 hour ago – via SportsNet New York
So you can expect the Nets to pursue trade opportunities ahead of the February deadline. In the days before Saturday’s brutal loss to the Indiana Pacers, the Nets had been in cursory talks with one Western Conference team about a deal that would return a veteran shooter, per SNY sources. Ben Simmons’ name came up in the talks, sources say.

My guess is the western team is GS
(Wiggins and Poole) Green and Poole would make more sense if they didn't dislike each other.
 
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Pinwheel1 said:
1 hour ago – via SportsNet New York
So you can expect the Nets to pursue trade opportunities ahead of the February deadline. In the days before Saturday’s brutal loss to the Indiana Pacers, the Nets had been in cursory talks with one Western Conference team about a deal that would return a veteran shooter, per SNY sources. Ben Simmons’ name came up in the talks, sources say.

My guess is the western team is GS
(Wiggins and Poole) Green and Poole would make more sense if they didn't dislike each other.
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Klay for Simmons, straight up.
 
LayneStaley said:
What about Nurk/GP3/Hart. Not really sure how low Simmons value is? We’d have to wait a bit but I think eventually a consolidation trade will be needed and who says Hart resigns anyway.

Dame
Simons/Keon
Sharpe/Nas/Watford
Grant/Winslow/Walker
Simmons/Eubanks

Can Dame/Simons/Sharpe/Keon hold down the backcourt?
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the only way Simmons can be effective is if he's a C
 
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