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B-Roy said:
Dame Cj
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ya i've been resigned to this for a while now. Unless Simmons suddenly becomes available, I don't see us moving CJ.

It's why I've been more interested in finding value for Powell.
 
Did Giannis’s dedication towards Khris also reinforce Dames commitment to CJ? God I hope not.
 
illmatic99 said:
ya i've been resigned to this for a while now. Unless Simmons suddenly becomes available, I don't see us moving CJ.

It's why I've been more interested in finding value for Powell.
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Resigned to what, Olshey not willing to trade CJ?
 
B-Roy said:
· The Blazers have shown no inkling they intend to move on from Damian Lillard or C.J. McCollum, and have a slew of their own free agents—Norman Powell, most notably, plus guaranteeing the $12 million for the final year of Jusuf Nurkic’s contract, which Portland is expected to do—to deal with. Ex-Blazer Nicolas Batum is on the Blazers radar, per a source, with Portland projecting to be limited with what it can spend by its $5.3 million mid-level exception.

https://www.si.com/nba/2021/08/02/2021-nba-free-agency-preview-rumors-buzz

Literally fuck me

at least we are interested in Nic
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I wouldn’t care about holding onto McCollum, it just depends on if Siakam and Simmons move, and if so, what the package looks like. If it’s something similar to what Portland could’ve offered with CJ, I’ll be mad. But there’s nothing wrong with seeing what the team could do under a new coach and an improved supporting cast if those aforementioned players don’t get traded. Most of Olsheys impact trades happen mid season anyway, and the goal is to be better come playoff time, not opening night.
 
B-Roy said:
Looks like 7 years of pain isn’t enough evidence.
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Dame: If you don't make some major changes I'm going to ask for a trade.

Neil:
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I think it's been increasingly clear that Seattle is not putting pressure on Olshey and will allow him to do what he obviously wants to do, and that's have Billups 'prove' that it was not a roster failing over the last 9 years, but a coaching failure. Magically...no blame for Olshey!

but even if you're drinking the kool-aid and thinking a different coach would have guided Portland past Denver in the first round, it would be a major stretch of homerism to imagine the Blazers beating Phoenix. Not with the roster they had.

so why will next season be different if they just run it all back?
 
On the SI article how many times have they been right in terms of Blazers info -- I mean all it said is the Blazers are not going to trade CJ just to trade him DID NOT say they are not OPEN to the idea so take that article with a grain of salt. In fact the article screams LAZY writing as it just assumes basic common sense stuff about this team so even more reason to discount it.
 
I think it's pretty clear that there is just absolutely no market for CJ. I'm not even sure there is a package to be had around CJ and Harrison Barnes at this point. In my book, if nothing happens with the Dame-CJ backcourt this off season, Neil's failure rests in letting it get to this point, rather than anything he does or doesn't do these next two months.
 
Graduate32 said:
I think it's pretty clear that there is just absolutely no market for CJ. I'm not even sure there is a package to be had around CJ and Harrison Barnes at this point. In my book, if nothing happens with the Dame-CJ backcourt this off season, Neil's failure rests in letting it get to this point, rather than anything he does or doesn't do these next two months.
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I think it's more that Neil doesn't want to move him for his actual trade value or can't come to grips with what his true value is.

I've mentioned this before, but if Neil goes through this entire off-season without trading a single future first, how can you possibly look Dame in the face and tell him you did everything possible to improve the team?
 
wizenheimer said:
so then, Blazers will be paying 105M year for 3 players 6'3 and under and only 1 all-star. Idiot formula
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just wait untill nurk gets that fat 4/100 or even more

rich paul will have blazers by the balls, hell take nurk elsewhere, blazers wont have leverage like they had on their last negotiations
 
https://bleacherreport.com/articles...owry-demar-derozan-emerge-as-pivotal-dominoes

There's a lot of stuff here by the way:

  • Gorgui Dieng has generated interest from the Suns and Spurs at around the biannual exception amount of $3.7 million.
  • Andre Iguodala appears to be one of the veterans that Golden State CEO Joe Lacob hinted at possibly joining the Warriors. League sources also told B/R that forward Paul Millsap would be amenable to joining Golden State or returning to Atlanta at the taxpayer mid-level ($5.9 million).
I'd be fine with both of those deals for us....
 
B-Roy said:
I think it's more that Neil doesn't want to move him for his actual trade value or can't come to grips with what his true value is.

I've mentioned this before, but if Neil goes through this entire off-season without trading a single future first, how can you possibly look Dame in the face and tell him you did everything possible to improve the team?
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Perhaps, but if his trade value is that poor, perhaps there is nothing he can do now. There is no guarantee that the Detroits of the world would even be interested in a CJ+picks package for Grant, or Sacramento in a CJ+picks for Barnes, or Dallas even in a CJ+picks for Porzingis (yuck!). I think it's likely that we will see a future first go out at some point over the next month (if not with CJ than with DJJ), but my greater point is that Neil's primary failure is in the lead up to this summer rather than any lack of action this summer.
 
Just going to say just cause you do not hear stuff like -- Pdx interested in player XX -- does not mean NeO is sitting in his office playing the Nintendo Switch or something -- LOL
 
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Scalma said:
I wouldn’t care about holding onto McCollum, it just depends on if Siakam and Simmons move, and if so, what the package looks like. If it’s something similar to what Portland could’ve offered with CJ, I’ll be mad. But there’s nothing wrong with seeing what the team could do under a new coach and an improved supporting cast if those aforementioned players don’t get traded. Most of Olsheys impact trades happen mid season anyway, and the goal is to be better come playoff time, not opening night.
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You might not but Dame explicitly said that he did not think that was enough. He was asked a question if keeping the current team or at least the core of the team and seeing how much impact Chauncey can have with that group would be good enough for him. He answered that Chauncey might be the greatest coach of all time but when he looks at the roster, no that wouldn't be good enough.

So "running it back" with Chauncey being the big change will be a slap in the face of Dame and I don't think it will result in him demanding a trade as soon as he gets back from Japan (I think that happens if Norm doesn't re-sign and we haven't done anything). What I do think will happen if we "run it back" is that Dame will give it until January to see if we're beating contenders or just beating up bad teams. If we're not beating contenders and haven't done what he asked, he'll demand to be traded by the deadline. I don't think we're going to be beating the best teams in the league.
 
B-Roy said:
https://bleacherreport.com/articles...owry-demar-derozan-emerge-as-pivotal-dominoes

There's a lot of stuff here by the way:

  • Gorgui Dieng has generated interest from the Suns and Spurs at around the biannual exception amount of $3.7 million.
  • Andre Iguodala appears to be one of the veterans that Golden State CEO Joe Lacob hinted at possibly joining the Warriors. League sources also told B/R that forward Paul Millsap would be amenable to joining Golden State or returning to Atlanta at the taxpayer mid-level ($5.9 million).
I'd be fine with both of those deals for us....
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In a lot of those cases, seems Money Talks. Bullshit walks. Lakers think everyone is gonna just side step money to chase a ring. As expensive as LA is, a minimum salary would barely cover housing for a year. I just don't see true quality players playing for no money.
 
tykendo said:
In a lot of those cases, seems Money Talks. Bullshit walks. Lakers think everyone is gonna just side step money to chase a ring. As expensive as LA is, a minimum salary would barely cover housing for a year. I just don't see true quality players playing for no money.
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for 10-year vets, a minimum salary is about 2.7M. That's a good chunk of change
 
wizenheimer said:
for 10-year vets, a minimum salary is about 2.7M. That's a good chunk of change
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I think only a portion of that counts towards the luxury tax though (for higher vet-mins). I could be wrong about that.
 
B-Roy said:
I think only a portion of that counts towards the luxury tax though (for higher vet-mins). I could be wrong about that.
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correct....any amount over the minimum for a 2 year vet (about 1.65M) is paid by the league and doesn't count against the team's cap
 
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