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Phatguysrule said:
I like the idea, but how do you determine who gets how much handicap?
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Nate talked about it in his thread. They have a firm figure out the $ values for the profit sharing model the NBA already implements. No reason they couldn't do the same here.

This is an interesting thought experiment, but it's still based on the premise that $ trumps all in the decision to play somewhere. I think that in and of itself is flawed. How did the supermax rules work out for player retention? And how many players took less to ring chase just in the past two days?

Just because a franchise in a podunk city can offer more doesn't mean a player will take a deal there over a marquee franchise.
 
illmatic99 said:
Nate talked about it in his thread. They have a firm figure out the $ values for the profit sharing model the NBA already implements. No reason they couldn't do the same here.

This is an interesting thought experiment, but it's still based on the premise that $ trumps all in the decision to play somewhere. I think that in and of itself is flawed. How did the supermax rules work out for player retention? And how many players took less to ring chase just in the past two days?

Just because a franchise in a podunk city can offer more doesn't mean a player will take a deal there over a marquee franchise.
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Seems to me that the main issue is the formation of super-teams in major markets. Salary limitations are an imperfect means of controlling that because players sometimes are willing to take less money to join their buddies. How about a more direct approach? No team that has 2 or more players that have appeared in an All-Star Game in the past three years should be allowed to sign or receive in trade a player who has appeared in an All-Star Game in the past three years unless they trade off one of their current stars.
 
e_blazer said:
Seems to me that the main issue is the formation of super-teams in major markets. Salary limitations are an imperfect means of controlling that because players sometimes are willing to take less money to join their buddies. How about a more direct approach? No team that has 2 or more players that have appeared in an All-Star Game in the past three years should be allowed to sign or receive in trade a player who has appeared in an All-Star Game in the past three years unless they trade off one of their current stars.
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all fine in theory, but this problem is only with fans in these smaller cities where players don't want to play.

the league will never implement it, however. the revenues/interest among casuals/ viewership all increased in the era of superteams. the general fan who has no rooting interest in any particular team will tune in and watch GS with 4 all NBA players over Milwaukee with Giannis. The data is there to back this up.

The league wants this.
 
e_blazer said:
Seems to me that the main issue is the formation of super-teams in major markets. Salary limitations are an imperfect means of controlling that because players sometimes are willing to take less money to join their buddies. How about a more direct approach? No team that has 2 or more players that have appeared in an All-Star Game in the past three years should be allowed to sign or receive in trade a player who has appeared in an All-Star Game in the past three years unless they trade off one of their current stars.
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We're going to restrict player mobility due to individual success? Or penalize effective cap management? "Sorry that you've done such a good job with player acquisition and development, but we just can't allow you to trade for another all-star." That sounds like something that neither the PA nor the owners would ever go for.
 
DUB said:
I was going to tell you all to keep an eye on Australian 4/5 Jock Landale during the Australia v USA game, but it's too late, he's signed with the Spurs.
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It'd be funny if the Spurs just signed him so they could insist that he not play in the US game. (That would also explain Patty leaving the Spurs...)
 
illmatic99 said:
all fine in theory, but this problem is only with fans in these smaller cities where players don't want to play.

the league will never implement it, however. the revenues/interest among casuals/ viewership all increased in the era of superteams. the general fan who has no rooting interest in any particular team will tune in and watch GS with 4 all NBA players over Milwaukee with Giannis. The data is there to back this up.

The league wants this.
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No doubt that is correct. I don’t think they will go for a larger cap for hick towns either. Having major market teams go deep into the playoffs is a moneymaking proposition. That’s why everyone around the league is so excited now that Dame is “coming to his senses” and making noises about moving to a contender (major market team). I guess we should just face the fact that Portland will always play the role of the Washington Generals.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
We're going to restrict player mobility due to individual success? Or penalize effective cap management? "Sorry that you've done such a good job with player acquisition and development, but we just can't allow you to trade for another all-star." That sounds like something that neither the PA nor the owners would ever go for.
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Nothing is going to change. I thought we were just doing an exercise in “what if’s”.

I think the thing that’s more irritating than the ability to attract stars is the fact that the cap and luxury tax mean less than nothing to these teams. As long as the CBA allows a veteran’s minimum exception, no matter what major market teams pay for superstars, they will be able to fill out the roster with high quality coattail riders just as the Lakers are now.
 
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I want Smart and Simmons, how do we make that work?

Dame/Smart
Norm/McLemore/CJ2
RoCo/Nas/Snell
Simmons/MLE
Nurk/Zeller

Im assuming CJ/DJJ/Simons/Picks will be needed to accomplish my wish list.
 
BonesJones said:
I don't think Markkanen is coming back, and they traded Thad Young for Derozan... Dosunmu is a combo guard, not a SF. Derozan is not better as a #2 than C.J. as he is worse off the ball. CJ is a better scorer and a similar defender and passer (Derozan just got the privilege of running everything in San Antonio).

Lillard >> LaVine
McCollum > Derozan
Nurkic = Vucevic
Powell > Ball
Covington > Williams
Simons = Caruso
Little = White
Zeller > Dosunmu
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Yeah but that’s not really the point Bones. They made a massive upgrade in talent. That’s a playoff team in the East.

You're comparing apples to apples and that's not really the problem. The point is that Chicago has gone out and improved their team around their star. We haven't done that. Our star is not happy just being first round fodder anymore. We need to make upgrades to put us in contention.

Chicago now has a lot of talent, but they don't have a top 10 talent on that team. I like LaVine a lot, but he's not top 10.
 
I'm somewhat sad. I thought we would be able to use Kanter in a S&T maybe.



Also wow.

Kemba gave up a lot of money here.
 
OneSport3 said:
I have to believe that Neil is working on a Ben Simmons deal. After last season, he has to know that CJ and Ant absolutely can not play backup PG. With Simmons, he can definitely play the PG minutes when Dame is out.

This is the only reason that can explain why he hasn’t signed some viable backup PG guys like Hart or Jackson.
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how many "viable backup PG guys" has Olshey signed since Steve Blake? (hint: it's less than one)

in fact, I'll take that notion a step further: if Olshey intended to trade CJ for Simmons, he would have signed a backup PG already
 
wizenheimer said:
he doesn't defend PG's. He's a PF, or a C. Blazers would need some ball-handling in the back-court when dame sits
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I think you're getting too focused in on positions. Simmons would handle the ball while Dame was out, but you run him with guards (who would defend the opposing point guard.)

Ant (or McLemore if Ant is gone)
Little (or Snell if Little is gone)
DJJ
Simmons
Zeller

Simmons would be the point guard there....
 
Why isn't anyone talking about how New York seems to operating under the assumption that they aren't in play for Dame this year? That pleases me greatly. Now if Morey would just do the same. Unless Olshey and Morey have already talked already and the Knicks know they can't beat Philly's offer...
 
Also, can we use our freaking TPMLE already? I swear to god if we don't use it this off-season I'm going to be really questioning Jody's commitment to the team.
 
Let's say you do this trade:

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Dame/Curry
Norm/McLeMore
RoCo/DJJ/Snell
Simmons/??
Nurk/Zeller

Second unit would be
Simmons
Curry
DJJ
Roco?
Zeller

Dame comes back in:

Dame
Norm
DJJ
??
Nurk

We need another big. I guess I could see Millsap or someone.
 

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B-Roy said:
Also, can we use our freaking TPMLE already? I swear to god if we don't use it this off-season I'm going to be really questioning Jody's commitment to the team.
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I have no clue why the gauge you're using for JA's commitment to winning is this year's TPMLE rather than Olshey still being the GM
 
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