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illmatic99 said:
This has been our offseason so far.

Out:
- Stotts
- Melo
- Kanter
- Giles
- Collins
- RHJ
- Blevins
- Leaf


In:
- Billups
- Zeller
- McLemore
- Snell
- Brown III
- Watford

Would you say we got better?
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Nope. Even though I believe that Billups will be a better coach than Stotts, we are still relying too much on him to make this miracle run. Our bench is losing the scoring and rebounding advantage. Our defensive “upgrades” are average at best. We gotten smaller. But I will say that I think Simons will have a great year in term of scoring and shooting. And Little has a prime chance of breaking out. He easily can if he can stay healthy and play his game
 
illmatic99 said:
This has been our offseason so far.

Out:
- Stotts
- Melo
- Kanter
- Giles
- Collins
- RHJ
- Blevins
- Leaf


In:
- Billups
- Zeller
- McLemore
- Snell
- Brown III
- Watford

Would you say we got better?
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A lot will obviously depend on Billups. Otherwise, I wouldn't say we necessarily got better, just different.
 
illmatic99 said:
This has been our offseason so far.

Out:
- Stotts
- Melo
- Kanter
- Giles
- Collins
- RHJ
- Blevins
- Leaf


In:
- Billups
- Zeller
- McLemore
- Snell
- Brown III
- Watford

Would you say we got better?
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I was responding to whether Neil has ever built a contender. For that 1 year, he did. Now i'm not all enamored with what he's done so far, at all. But from what i've read, he has tried. And Dame said as much in his last presser. I'm sure Dame is still frustrated, but maybe not as much at Neil, cause he tried, but the players Dame tried to recruit, and Neil tried to sign, said no. As frustrated as we are in Blazer Nation, i'm sure Dame, Neil & his Staff are more so.
 
tykendo said:
They were contending the year Nurk was in Beast Mode. Before the gruesome injury. The additions Neil made at trade deadline, were heralded by the Nat'l Media. Those additions ,Kanter & Hood, paid off. They got to the WCF. In a series, sans Nurk, that they lead in every game a majority of the minutes, only to be unable to finish the Warriors off in each game. If Nurk doesn't get hurt, that team potentially may win it all. That's a contender. So Neil did build a contender. And the Nat'l Media acknowledged as much that year.
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We had zero chance against the Warriors. Get real.

Also, what matters most is how Dame feels. And it is pretty evident we are on borrowed time unless something big happens.
 
Dame / Simons
CJ / McLemore
Powell / Little / Snell
Roco / Jones / Brown / Watford
Nurk / Zeller

The WCF team (as built, prior to Nurk injury):

Dame / Curry
CJ / Turner / Trent
Harkless / Hood / Layman
Aminu / Collins / Skal
Nurk / Kanter

Our current roster is horribly unbalanced both positionally and skill-wise and no clear talent upgrades over the WCF team (hell, even that starting 5 then, had a ridiculously high net rating, but with a far better bench). This current roster is a play-in team in the west. With injury luck and Chauncey finding his footing, maybe a 5th seed, 47 win team.

Maybe Olshey is expecting Nas to take a leap, which is possible considering how much better Keldon Johnson got with PT last year. Maybe Nurk balls out in a contract year. Maybe CJ sustains his hot start from last year for longer this year. Maybe Powell re-discovers how to make corner threes. And maybe our bench won't be the defensive sieve it was last year.

Or maybe.... this roster construction is shit and our FO and ownership are content with being a fringe contender who just gets to the playoffs this year.
 
tykendo said:
I was responding to whether Neil has ever built a contender. For that 1 year, he did. Now i'm not all enamored with what he's done so far, at all. But from what i've read, he has tried. And Dame said as much in his last presser. I'm sure Dame is still frustrated, but maybe not as much at Neil, cause he tried, but the players Dame tried to recruit, and Neil tried to sign, said no. As frustrated as we are in Blazer Nation, i'm sure Dame, Neil & his Staff are more so.
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So you agree that this is a cause for concern? Our roster this year is considerably worse from the one that won 53 games made the WCFs.
 
SlyPokerCat said:
We had zero chance against the Warriors. Get real.

Also, what matters most is how Dame feels. And it is pretty evident we are on borrowed time unless something big happens.
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Did you watch us with Healthy Nurk against them? They had no answer for him, at all.
 
illmatic99 said:
Dame / Simons
CJ / McLemore
Powell / Little / Snell
Roco / Jones / Brown / Watford
Nurk / Zeller

The WCF team (as built, prior to Nurk injury):

Dame / Curry
CJ / Turner / Trent
Harkless / Hood / Layman
Aminu / Collins / Skal
Nurk / Kanter

Our current roster is horribly unbalanced both positionally and skill-wise and no clear talent upgrades over the WCF team (hell, even that starting 5 then, had a ridiculously high net rating, but with a far better bench). This current roster is a play-in team in the west. With injury luck and Chauncey finding his footing, maybe a 5th seed, 47 win team.

Maybe Olshey is expecting Nas to take a leap, which is possible considering how much better Keldon Johnson got with PT last year. Maybe Nurk balls out in a contract year. Maybe CJ sustains his hot start from last year for longer this year. Maybe Powell re-discovers how to make corner threes. And maybe our bench won't be the defensive sieve it was last year.

Or maybe.... this roster construction is shit and our FO and ownership are content with being a fringe contender who just gets to the playoffs this year.
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If this is really the final roster, it's clear that Neil is expecting Nas and Simons to take a leap this year. I think that faith is misplaced. Maybe if we had another couple years, but we need to make a MAJOR leap next year. I just don't see it.
 
SlyPokerCat said:
We had zero chance against the Warriors. Get real.

Also, what matters most is how Dame feels. And it is pretty evident we are on borrowed time unless something big happens.
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they were toying with us when they didn't have durant. it's delusional to think we had any shot against that team even if healthy.
 
I have a hard time believing the derozan stuff, when the initial me turn is GS in a "complicated " S&T.
GS is only 5 million away from the apron when you just include their top 4 contracts. There's no way they could work out a S&T with Oubre.
 
illmatic99 said:
So you agree that this is a cause for concern? Our roster this year is considerably worse from the one that won 53 games made the WCFs.
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Well we don't have a PF as good as Zach was that year, for sure. And we don't have Hoody, before his Achilles injury either. So right now, i'd have to agree. But if, Neil can add a quality PF through trade of CJ, and maybe sign a good backup PF, that will change.
 
tykendo said:
Well we don't have a PF as good as Zach was that year, for sure. And we don't have Hoody, before his Achilles injury either. So right now, i'd have to agree. But if, Neil can add a quality PF through trade of CJ, and maybe sign a good backup PF, that will change.
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And if he doesn't? Nearly every indication from the media (both local and national) is that we're bringing the exact same roster back. Nurk and Powell have both suggested the same.
 
tykendo said:
Did you watch us with Healthy Nurk against them? They had no answer for him, at all.
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Nurkic would not have gotten that team past Golden State, let alone won them a championship. That Portland group was a decent team, but they got a favorable draw and rode it until they finally ran into an elite team.
 
illmatic99 said:
they were toying with us when they didn't have durant. it's delusional to think we had any shot against that team even if healthy.
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Actually you are wrong. Durant played in all 4 games. Look it up!
 
And we went 2 - 2, including a blowout win in the final matchup that regular season with a HEALTHY Nurk. Get real yourself.
 
tykendo said:
Did you watch us with Healthy Nurk against them? They had no answer for him, at all.
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Absolutely. They swept us. They didn't have Durant. Who is pretty much the best player in the league. Even with Nurk, they would have beaten us. Game 4 Meyers scored 30 points. Not sure how taking out his 30 points and inserting Nurk would have made this huge difference. They smoked us.

Out of all the things you brought up our WCF trip where we got smoked and had no chance. At least bring up our team when Wes went down. That was the closest we got to feeling like a contender.

Doesn't matter though. Neil deserves criticism. If he would have made better moves when he had his opportunities, we wouldn't be sitting here at a crossroads with our biggest superstar ever.
 
calvin natt said:
Yes
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The only upgrades I see are:

- Stotts --> Billups , but remains to be seen how long Chauncey takes to figure out game management.
- Kanter --> Zeller
- Removing the Kanter/Melo pairing.

But every other change in the roster has been a collective downgrade. Going from Melo to Snell/McLemore is a disaster. Losing Zach for nothing is a joke.

Why do you think we got better?
 
tykendo said:
They were contending the year Nurk was in Beast Mode. Before the gruesome injury.
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I wouldn't call that contending. When Nurkic got hurt, the playoffs three weeks away, Portland was 4th seed in the West and had the 8th best record in the league

and, that was a different team. They had Aminu and Harkless; a healthy Hood and Collins; plus Turner, Curry, Layman, and Meyers. That was the closest Portland came to contending in the Stolshey era and they still got swept in the WCF.
 
SlyPokerCat said:
So what. Durant is worlds better than Nurk could ever dream. And they swept us. Case closed.
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SlyPokerCat said:
So what. Durant is worlds better than Nurk could ever dream. And they swept us. Case closed.
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Ok, but Durant wasn't able to play in that series. If Nurk is HEALTHY, & Durant doesn't play, the results could have been different.
 
tykendo said:
If Nurk is HEALTHY, & Durant doesn't play, the results could have been different.
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I don't agree with that. I never once felt like Golden State was being pushed at all in that series; the fact that they had to come from behind in several of the games looked more like disinterest until they had to kick it in gear. Nurkic might have gotten some paint points and rebounds, but Golden State would have abused him on defense, putting him in perimeter pick-and-rolls.
 
tykendo said:
Ok, but Durant wasn't able to play in that series. If Nurk is HEALTHY, & Durant doesn't play, the results could have been different.
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Minstrel said:
I don't agree with that. I never once felt like Golden State was being pushed at all in that series; the fact that they had to come from behind in several of the games looked more like disinterest until they had to kick it in gear. Nurkic might have gotten some paint points and rebounds, but Golden State would have abused him on defense, putting him in perimeter pick-and-rolls.
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Nurk was a MUCH different player, before that injury. And he was on the ascend. We will never know of course. But you can't say ,absolutely, Nurk wouldn't have dominated. He's been a different, lesser player since he returned. Hopefully with a new coaching staff, and his own commitment to getting better, we see the before injury version, not the latter.
 
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