Fuck this healthcare Reform...

[3RA1N1AC]

 

[Paxil]

Just to weigh in, I am one of those cold, unfeeling individuals that believes that if someone can't pay for a medical treatment (or the insurance that covers it), then they should do without it.

So I guess it sucks to be born a poor kid aye?

 

[BrianFromWA]

yeah, it sucks that a poor kid can be on WIC as a child, live in some pretty crappy parts of some pretty crappy towns, grow up in public schools, work during the summers to save some cash for schooling, join the military, get a college degree, get a life skill, use education benefits for a Master's, pick up a couple of languages on the way, and be in a place where you can contribute to the charity of your choice, the causes of your choice and the quality of life of your choice.

Eff that, gimme my check so I can be an adult baby.

 

[maxiep]

and maxie, would you accept welfare to provide healthcare for you and your family? if you couldnt afford healthcare, would you have everyone else pay the bill for you?

yes or no

Absolutely. If I had no where else to turn, if I had sold all my assets and if charity couldn't step in, I would. There's nothing wrong with the social safety net; I'm in favor of people having a place to turn as a last resort. Where I do have an issue is people who haven't saved, who have assets and who have alternatives looking for the government to pay.

See, I answer all your questions directly. Try it sometime.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

Eff that, gimme my check so I can be an adult baby.

wait what are you talking about, people getting checks for not working?

 

[BrianFromWA]

yeah, it sucks that a poor kid can be on WIC as a child, live in some pretty crappy parts of some pretty crappy towns, grow up in public schools, work during the summers to save some cash for schooling, join the military, get a college degree, get a life skill, use education benefits for a Master's, pick up a couple of languages on the way, and be in a place where you can contribute to the charity of your choice, the causes of your choice and the quality of life of your choice.

Eff that, gimme my check so I can be an adult baby.

I'll remove the snark. I think everyone would agree that there's not enough money in gov't to give everyone everything they want. So do you want your tax dollars going to programs that help out people in Paragraph One, or those like Adult Baby who just want to take a check and live the way they want to?

 

[3RA1N1AC]

Absolutely. If I had no where else to turn, if I had sold all my assets and if charity couldn't step in, I would. There's nothing wrong with the social safety net; I'm in favor of people having a place to turn as a last resort. Where I do have an issue is people who haven't saved, who have assets and who have alternatives looking for the government to pay.

See, I answer all your questions directly. Try it sometime.

ok so you would take welfare if it was available to you, good to know, kinda hard to blame someone else for doing the same thing no?

 

[3RA1N1AC]

I'll remove the snark. I think everyone would agree that there's not enough money in gov't to give everyone everything they want. So do you want your tax dollars going to programs that help out people in Paragraph One, or those like Adult Baby who just want to take a check and live the way they want to?

im not sure what you mean by this adult baby stuff, but i think wic is one of the best welfare programs out there. almost impossible to sell your wic vouchers for drugs.

 

[maxiep]

ok so you would take welfare if it was available to you, good to know, kinda hard to blame someone else for doing the same thing no?

Re-read my post and reassess your conclusion.

 

[BrianFromWA]

im not sure what you mean by this adult baby stuff, but i think wic is one of the best welfare programs out there. almost impossible to sell your wic vouchers for drugs.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/may/17/senator-questions-benefits-to-adult-baby/

 

[maxiep]

Allow me to give an example of an alternative to government health insurance. One of my son's teachers had her cancer reoccur. Medicare refused to pay for the treatment her team of oncologists recommended, which was roughly $27,000. We held a dinner in her honor (she had taught at the school for over 40 years) and raised over $43,000.

There are alternatives to the government.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

Re-read my post and reassess your conclusion.

ahh ok so you would accept welfare and have everyone else pay for you and your family, but only after you begged from charities first.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

Allow me to give an example of an alternative to government health insurance. One of my son's teachers had her cancer reoccur. Medicare refused to pay for the treatment her team of oncologists recommended, which was roughly $27,000. We held a dinner in her honor (she had taught at the school for over 40 years) and raised over $43,000.

There are alternatives to the government.

yes thats right, you can always beg for money, thats a good idea.

"hey poor people, just beg for money, duh"

 

[3RA1N1AC]

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/may/17/senator-questions-benefits-to-adult-baby/

oh crap yeah i did see that, kinda funny, its like a sexual fetish i think, kinda kinky.

THAT guy deserves to drink powdered milk, save the good stuff for the kids

 

[maxiep]

ahh ok so you would accept welfare and have everyone else pay for you and your family, but only after you begged from charities first.

Hey, this game is fun! You're wonderful at being obtuse!

Firstly, I guarantee that I've paid more in taxes than I would ever pull out of the system. Second, charities are voluntary, taxes aren't. Thirdly, I have a set of conditions that I listed that are above and beyond what would be required to qualify for government assistance. You let me know if you'd sell your house, your car(s) or liquidate your 401k before you would accept Medicaid. I would.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

So I guess it sucks to be born a poor kid aye?

Yes, it does. That has always been the case since the beginning of time, and it's no less true now.

 

[maxiep]

yes thats right, you can always beg for money, thats a good idea.

"hey poor people, just beg for money, duh"

Rheuma didn't beg. She didn't even ask. She's impacted the lives of children and their families. We were happy to help.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

I have a set of conditions that I listed that are above and beyond what would be required to qualify for government assistance.

you put an extra, self imposed set of rules on yourself, and only after all of those imaginary restrictions are met, would you allow other people to pay for your family. kudos. you would be one of the proudest welfare recipients in history, but a welfare recipient nonetheless.

 

[maxiep]

you put an extra, self imposed set of rules on yourself, and only after all of those imaginary restrictions are met, would you allow other people to pay for your family. kudos. you would be one of the proudest welfare recipients in history, but a welfare recipient nonetheless.

Do you think there's something wrong with welfare? I don't, for those that are truly in need. I think society should provide a social safety net. I just think the net should be lower than it is now. As for being proud, that's the last thing I am. I simply want to be able to look myself in the mirror. Everyone has different lines; the ones I listed are mine.

As an aside, your hypothetical would never happen. I've spent my life since graduating college being a mercantilist. Even as a grad student, I always had a contract with an investment bank.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

you dont think there is something wrong with welfare? so you DO think that there is NOTHING wrong with welfare?

geez

i think there are a few things that could be improved on, but if you think its so perfect, good for you.

and lol at "truly in need", from the guy that would sell his daughters bed before he took food stamps

 

[maxiep]

you dont think there is something wrong with welfare? so you DO think that there is NOTHING wrong with welfare?

geez

i think there are a few things that could be improved on, but if you think its so perfect, good for you.

You're playing the Lloyd Christmas role a bit too well. It's almost believable.

and lol at "truly in need", from the guy that would sell his daughters bed before he took food stamps

I have a daughter?

 

[BrianFromWA]

I have a daughter?

...who looks like Chris Farley. Get your shit together

 

[barfo]

...who looks like Chris Farley. Get your shit together

That's a man, baby.

barfo

 

[Denny Crane]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/h...Lansley-funding-crisis-threatens-the-NHS.html

Health Secretary Andrew Lansley: funding crisis threatens the NHS

The National Health Service is facing a £20 billion-a-year funding black hole that will threaten its founding principles unless the Coalition’s controversial reforms are brought in to prevent it, the Health Secretary has warned.

In an article for The Daily Telegraph, Andrew Lansley says the core values of the NHS are under threat as never before from a “financial crisis” that will see annual health spending double to £230 billion a year without urgent reform.

While insisting he would never privatise the NHS, Mr Lansley warns that its future as a universal service, available to all and free at the point of use will be at risk “within years” if radical change is blocked.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

...who looks like Chris Farley. Get your shit together

repped!

 

[blazerboy30]

Catastrophic insurance is not health insurance.

I'm not trying to argue with you, just saying lets compare apples to apples.

It absolutely is health insurance.

One of the big arguments coming out here is "what is a child gets life threatening cancer"? Catastrophic insurance covers the types of things that proponents of universal healthcare use as extreme examples of why we should be covering everybody. You don't here arguments for "what about when a child has the sniffles and needs to go get a prescription".

 

[blazerboy30]

catastrophic insurance, that covers checkups right? so that they can you know find cancer BEFORE it becomes "catastrophic"? or does obamacare not cover checkups? or are you comparing apples and racecars?

You wanted to go down the track of using little children getting life threatening cancer as your argument for universal healthcare. Catastrophic insurance covers that. Not everybody can afford the same house to live in, the same food... it isn't unreasonable to think that not everybody will have the same insurance coverage.

the us currently has the most one of if not the most expensive healthcare systems in the world. every year health care costs continue to rise while insurance companies raise premiums. a large reason why? 50 million uninsured americans who are forced to go to the emergency room for everything from an infected splinter, to a tick bite. as the most expensive place to receive care, going to the ER raises the cost of health care in general.

If that is your argument, then you should be all in favor of my suggestion for catastrophic insurance. Try to keep up, and try to keep your arguments consistent.

but hey, i can just make up stuff too, thats fun

Clearly you can. That is all you've done in this entire thread.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

clearly apples and racecars are comparable as food, because they are both red

well, not exactly...

i want to have the shiniest bike on the block, its no fair that the poor family got a shiny bike too

well jimmy, lifes not always fair, dont worry, ill let you kick a bum later, ok sport?

what good is being better than everyone if i cant live longer than them?

again, life is full of obstacles, but maybe, if you are lucky enough to get into heaven, you can make fun of them in the afterlife! thatll show em'

eww, now those gross poor people will think that they can talk to me.

you can still just act like they dont exist, dont worry, although you might have to share their air in the elevator

maybe this is just a raging case of penis envy, and i am mad at the world because god gave me a little cock

you know what buddy? you might be on to something....

 

[SlyPokerDog]

It absolutely is health insurance.

One of the big arguments coming out here is "what is a child gets life threatening cancer"? Catastrophic insurance covers the types of things that proponents of universal healthcare use as extreme examples of why we should be covering everybody. You don't here arguments for "what about when a child has the sniffles and needs to go get a prescription".

No BB, you're the one who is comparing "Obama care" to Catastrophic insurance for price comparisons. That's not accurate comparisons.

 

[blazerboy30]

No BB, you're the one who is comparing "Obama care" to Catastrophic insurance for price comparisons. That's not accurate comparisons.

The title of this thread is "Fuck this healthcare reform".

One of the biggest arguments against Obamacare is the cost.

One of the biggest arguments in favor of Obamacare is that people shouldn't be left to die when something catastrophic happens in their life and they can't afford it.

So comparing catastrophic insurance costs, which would eliminate one of the biggest arguments in favor of Obamacare, while also being about 1/3 as expensive is absolutely a valid comparison.

The point is that Obamacare sucks because we can't afford it, and there are other possible alternatives that may work for both sides, but instead they are forcing terrible legislation on the public.

Again, it is absolutely a valid comparison.