Game Thread GAME# 13: BLAZERS @ SPURS - NOVEMBER 16, 2019 - SATURDAY, 5:30 PM, NBCSNW
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Not so sure about this? Dame and CJ get you 40 wins. So 41 doesn't really seem like a stretch. I guess we will see how much the west beats up on itself this year?
If we could stop playing Hezonja altogether I could see us approaching 41 wins. But too me there is no point in focusing on WL record this year cuz we aren’t making the playoffs. Roll the dice with Brown & Hoard. Ya never know.
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Yeah there was about 3 years Rodman AVERAGED over 18 rebounds a game. He did that scoring about 10 points.
Seeing a 10-20 with 4 assists was very possible. There was also a couple years he averaged around 40 mins a game.
Those numbers are crazy! If Little begins to be consistently half that the Blazers have a huge bonus.
Difference is the game has changed since the early 90's. Playing like that would foul him out. But who knows? Maybe he can be one of those players that everyone expects to be dangerous so refs start to accept he is gonna just be Little. Draymond gets that treatment. Refs just say "That's Green being Green".
Could Little become the player the entire league loves to hate? Rodman was. Green is. But i don't see it in Little. Lets hope i'm wrong here because i have been saying for a long time that the Blazers need a little "Nasty" in their game. Every great team seems to have a guy everyone hates. From Artest, Rodman, Green to Lambier to even Maurice Lucas was not liked. Joel Pryzbilla was pretty much the last real enforcer the Blazers have had. "Meet Me Outside".....
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I just dont get this mentality. Its NOVEMBER, and you’ve already decided they cant make the playoffs? Whiteside missed a bunch of camp with ankle injuries, Pau’s out. Zach out, Nurks out, a ton of new faces, and injuries getting guys in out of the line up. A hard schedule they havent even had a “home stand” yet. They still have Dame, its started rough for them before and theyve figured it out. Just seems like giving up on the season is way premature.
Last year about this time Memphis was near the top of the conference. They’re 13 games into the season? 5.5 GB from 1st I think they have time to make up some games...
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You just keep saying that and maybe someone will believe you. At this point way too many of us know better. The record is 5-8. If you think you know where this season is going yet then have at it. Me i'll wait and see where they are in January.
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He knows all that. Don't waste your time.
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Yeah its been ugly Im not denying that. Just cant believe were already ruling the Blazers out from even making the playoffs...
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He's sitting here blaming the entire start of the season on a guy that was never supposed to be anything but a bench warmer.
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Even more so Mario signed a 2 year $ 3.6 million contract. We end up with a cap hit of 1.7 this year. Mario was never supposed to be in a starting position.
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I think They planned to play Mario and hoped they could salvage his career like they did with Hark/Aminu.
I’m blaming Blazer management for letting 5 good players go and getting 1 good player HW back. A team that went to the WCF. Only Collins is injured from that team.
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I “blame” them in this regard, I think they put ALL their eggs in the Zach / Simons basket which is fine they both have potential to be good players someday, but didnt account for what happens if pne of those guys gets hurt. They definitely are not very deep at PG or PF.
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Sure. He is only in his 4th year. But he is on a Vets minimum contract. he was never anything but a project. The thing is like usual during the summer people got their hopes up that he would somehow blossom in a few weeks. 8-10 weeks is not gonna bring out huge changes. Now throughout the season he might find a niche that he fills and then he needs to get comfortable and start making the shots they are giving him.
There was a play that has been talked about widely on here that happened in the Toronto game. Mario with the ball at the top of the key. Everyone just looked lost. The reason has been said "It's because Stotts has no offense". This is complete and udder bullshit! It's because Mario has been scouted. They did the same thing to him they have done to Aminu for years. It was all the sudden 5 defenders guarding 4 guys and begging him to shoot. Mario though put the ball on the floor and drove. This was trainwreck time for Aminu. The ball usually ended up in the third row off his knee. Mario needs to find his shot or this will continue to happen to him every time he is on the court.
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Please tell which 5 players were so good they should not have been let go? Were you even watching the last three years?
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He punched him with both arms in the face, if one ref sees this they get two free throws and possession, Nas was lucky here
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Look you plan for a player to get hurt. And they did. Hurt is usually a sprained ankle or jammed finger. maybe a concussion. Not usually 4 months and surgery on your shoulder. They had injuries covered. Season ending injuries maybe not so much? Also My thinking is they signed Melo because some bad news is coming about Gasol.
Aminu, Hark, Curry, Leonard, Kanter are all average to above average players in their roles. Hassan is above average, possibly Pau depending on what he’s got left. Bazemore below average. Tolliver and Hezonja are terrible. Using purely advanced stats as a measure (BPM/RPM) that exchange of players nets us about -11 wins for the season. Add in the that Nurk & Collins are down most/all of the season ands that’s another -6 wins.
But we already had Zach and Simons. We had a 53 win team that we could ADD Simons to and ADD Zach’s improvements & more playing time to.
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Seriously. I just love when a Stat monkey shows up and starts going all "Advanced" and BPM/RPM on me after 13 games of a season. Even more so when two of your five didn't even play extended minutes. Three of your players were not even possible to keep. One of the players you are saying they have now that is valuable wouldn't be here if they had kept one of the players you didn't want to lose??? (Hassan vs Kanter). You do realize they could not have kept Curry right? Are you really going to say Aminu is your answer for getting back to the Playoffs?
You are not paying attention here. But at least you didn't bring up Turner. Though you did seem to want to bash Bazemore. That guy has been a huge bright spot in exchange for what Turner was bringing.
Im basing it on (1) Advanced stats of players we brought in vs players we sent out -11 wins. (2) Nurk our most of season, Collins out whole season -6 wins.
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I really don't disagree with this. You let Curry walk and give his minutes to Simons. You put Aminu on the bench and play Zack. But that doesn't get you a center to replace Nurk. So massive fail!
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They could not bring back the team from last year, and I know almost no one that even wanted them too. Aminu was rendered basically useless in the playoffs. Meyers needed a change of scenery as much as Blazer fans did, I could go on but you and I have already been over this. I didnt get the Tolliver signing when it happened. Mario, and Baze have been disappointing so far especially Mario. I think they thought Pau would be playing by now all the comments going towards the season painted it that way.
Just seems like were majorly over reacting to what everyone knew was going to be a rough schedule coming into it.
I based it on 5 years of advanced stats not 13 games. I factored in MPG so whether or not they play extended minutes is factored in. Ok, well see if this team even sniffs the playoffs.
They couldn’t bring back the team due to way overpaying Turner and Leonard. So still managements fault.
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How can you make any qualified assessment of stats from 5 years of players playing on different teams with different coaches in different systems and different chemistry and different conferences?
Playoffs or not the Blazers needed to get a center. They also needed to get rid of Turner. They could not continue to play Aminu. Harkless was good for 2 out of 7 games at best(Same thing he is doing now in LA). Do I need to remind you Curry was gonna get paid? So okay i'll give you maybe they could have kept Nards.
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Yeah 2016 was a massive fail. The replacements have sucked so far, except HW.
I dont know if they’ll make the playoffs or not, but I also dont know why we would call it like the seasons over today. They still have one of the best players in the league and a guy we all tout gets the best out of the guys around him and is a great leader.
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Of those 5 players, I'm not sure I would call them all "good", nor is it an easy case of"they let them go".
Aminu decided to leave and signed for 10 million for 3 years and it totally not worth it. 5 ppg shooting
33%.
Harkless is nothing to get excited about.
They couldn't afford Curry, and Simons is putting up much better #'s anyway. And is younger. And cheaper. And better.
Leonard is still Leonard. His per 36 #s this season are *worse* than last years...
Kanter? He was given an offer and tried to blame the team him not taking it.
Are the guys they were replaced by doing better? Well, Whiteside is getting the minutes Leonard and Kanter would've gotten, so yes.
Harkless and Bazemore are pretty much a wash (as in both suck).
Curry as I said is worse than Simons.
Aminu is producing as much for the Magic as Mario is for the Blazers, but at a savings of almost 25 million.
So I'm guessing not having Collins gone for the year and nurk out for most of the year has significantly more to do with the teams record than not bringing back the 5 players you mentioned (or replacing them with the the ones who replaced them/supplanted them).
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Actually they only one they let go was Turner Harkless Leonard. Curry and Aminu was FA and they already made there minds they wasn't coming back.
There are two parts to this. Whose fault is it. How many games we gonna win. For the former, yeah they were boxed in $ wise and couldn't keep everyone. But isn't that their fault for overpaying Leonard & esp. Turner? For the latter I am using purely advanced stats BPM & RPM over multiple seasons, players out vs players in comes to around -9 to -11 wins. Some of that could be offset by Little. Nurk & Collins injury cost us at least -6 wins even if Nurk comes back on time & 100% which is unlikely. That's why I don't think we will come close to making the playoffs. Happy to be wrong though.
