Game Thread GAME# 13: BLAZERS @ SPURS - NOVEMBER 16, 2019 - SATURDAY, 5:30 PM, NBCSNW

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A man holds an atomic bomb to your head & asks: whom would you rather have as the Blazers' coach?

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hoopsjock said:
That was also the time that Little should've been in there instead of Hezonja anyway.
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It's the same play. But on this you will get no argument from me. Little would have took that shot. I have no idea why Stotts didn't have Little in the game at that point.
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
You must really not think that highly of Dame if you think in his prime a team with at least 6 other legit NBA players have 0 chance of making the playoffs... over half the NBA makes the playoffs and yes the west is tough, but its not like he’s one of those stars that has basically no one to play with... CJ, Baze, Whiteside, Hood, Simons, at least are all legit NBA players that if they were released today would be picked up.
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Dame is awesome. But he accounts for less than 1/6th of the minutes on the floor. He scored 60 points on extremely efficient shooting. We still lost. That’s what it’s like having one superstar, a couple good players and no depth.
 
bobf said:
I dunno, I can't read their minds. I can see Curry wanting to go elsewhere, but Aminu, Magic... really?
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He sign in few days when they could sign that tells me he wanted out. Especially when we had birds right to him.
 
hoopsjock said:
Complete bullshit.

You're allowing the results of last season to dictate your response when you are referring to a point in which they got swept by the Pelicans with Nurk and then started 4-8. No chance you wouldn't be panicking.
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I might be panicking. Rightfully so a 4 and 8 start is hard hard hole to dig out of in the west even for a good team. But I would not have been saying we won’t make the playoffs. But it’s kinda hard to refute your imagination.
 
bobf said:
Dame is awesome. But he accounts for less than 1/6th of the minutes on the floor. He scored 60 points on extremely efficient shooting. We still lost. That’s what it’s like having one superstar, a couple good players and no depth.
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Well that's a one game example. You can always point to performances where a dude plays brilliantly and their team loses. I think what Analytics do a very bad job of evaluating is that Stars are just way, way, way more important than role players. It's not that role players aren't important but Stars are what makes a team go. They can have "bad" games in the stat column (by their standards) and still be the must influential player on their team for that game. Dame is really, really good and I think they will have a chance at the playoffs as long as he's healthy for the next 3-4 years. Almost all the offensive measures in the game right now have him as like the second-best player in the league. Do I wish the role guys were better? Sure do, but come on Dame's presence, just like Lebron, Harden, Kawhi and any other superstar goes way beyond just the numbers and they make the game way easier for everyone else. They may not make the playoffs, the injuries hurt, the new additions haven't performed well, but near 0 chance is hyperbole to me, or sort of crazy (I do respect your opinion), but imo Dame gives them a chance at just about every game, and he gives them a chance to be in the playoffs. Especially when so many teams get there anyways.
 
Our starting C is out.
Our starting PF is out.
Our backup PF/C is out.
Our 3rd best player is currently playing like our 6th or 7th best player.
Our bench is routinely getting its butt kicked.
We have a lot of young players and new players.
We have a very difficult first 20 or so games.

I, too, was hoping for rainbows and puppies.

It sucks, but our problems aren't permanent.
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
Well that's a one game example. You can always point to performances where a dude plays brilliantly and their team loses. I think what Analytics do a very bad job of evaluating is that Stars are just way, way, way more important than role players. It's not that role players aren't important but Stars are what makes a team go. They can have "bad" games in the stat column (by their standards) and still be the must influential player on their team for that game. Dame is really, really good and I think they will have a chance at the playoffs as long as he's healthy for the next 3-4 years. Almost all the offensive measures in the game right now have him as like the second-best player in the league. Do I wish the role guys were better? Sure do, but come on Dame's presence, just like Lebron, Harden, Kawhi and any other superstar goes way beyond just the numbers and they make the game way easier for everyone else. They may not make the playoffs, the injuries hurt, the new additions haven't performed well, but near 0 chance is hyperbole to me, or sort of crazy (I do respect your opinion), but imo Dame gives them a chance at just about every game, and he gives them a chance to be in the playoffs. Especially when so many teams get there anyways.
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Ok, I will give you that near 0 is an overstatement. I'll just say it's low. If I assume that Tolliver & Hezonja never play another minute, and I assume that our "rookies" Simons, Little, Trent are above average (unlikely for rookies as even Simons is well below average BPM at this point) and given the unknowns of when/how Nurk will come back... there's some chance. I don't think Melo actually helps our chances, but we'll soon see how that goes. Depends a lot too on how good the west is this year. Some years you need 48 wins, other years much less.

Incidentally, analytics say Dame adds just under +11 wins to our team for a season, single-handedly taking an average team to a 52 win team. So I'm not sure it underrates superstars.
 
bobf said:
Ok, I will give you that near 0 is an overstatement. I'll just say it's low. If I assume that Tolliver & Hezonja never play another minute, and I assume that our "rookies" Simons, Little, Trent are above average (unlikely for rookies as even Simons is well below average BPM at this point) and given the unknowns of when/how Nurk will come back... there's some chance. I don't think Melo actually helps our chances, but we'll soon see how that goes. Depends a lot too on how good the west is this year. Some years you need 48 wins, other years much less.

Incidentally, analytics say Dame adds just under +11 wins to our team for a season, single-handedly taking an average team to a 52 win team. So I'm not sure it underrates superstars.
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I guess over the coming months this will be interesting to keep up on.
 
Strenuus said:
Pop is a hall of a famer.

Stotts Will be forgotten once hes done.

The fact you even tried that tactic is laughable. Dont try it again. You would be wrong, again.
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It was meant to be laughable, so I'm glad it worked!

When people say "coach 'x' is a bad coach because his team lost to a team with less talent." or "coach 'x' is bad coach because of their poor record." is even more laughable. I'm sure you agree with me there too. If not, you would be wrong, again."
 
Tince said:
It was meant to be laughable, so I'm glad it worked!

When people say "coach 'x' is a bad coach because his team lost to a team with less talent." or "coach 'x' is bad coach because of their poor record." is even more laughable. I'm sure you agree with me there too. If not, you would be wrong, again."
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You really need to pay more attention.
 
bobf said:
Ok, I will give you that near 0 is an overstatement. I'll just say it's low. If I assume that Tolliver & Hezonja never play another minute, and I assume that our "rookies" Simons, Little, Trent are above average (unlikely for rookies as even Simons is well below average BPM at this point) and given the unknowns of when/how Nurk will come back... there's some chance. I don't think Melo actually helps our chances, but we'll soon see how that goes. Depends a lot too on how good the west is this year. Some years you need 48 wins, other years much less.

Incidentally, analytics say Dame adds just under +11 wins to our team for a season, single-handedly taking an average team to a 52 win team. So I'm not sure it underrates superstars.
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You think were an above .500 team last year wothout Dame?

Advanced stats are good with proper context. You're failing to utilize the latter
 
Wizard Mentor said:
Our starting C is out.
Our starting PF is out.
Our backup PF/C is out.
Our 3rd best player is currently playing like our 6th or 7th best player.
Our bench is routinely getting its butt kicked.
We have a lot of young players and new players.
We have a very difficult first 20 or so games.

I, too, was hoping for rainbows and puppies.

It sucks, but our problems aren't permanent.
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I'm really surprised this isn't the #1 thing people think as it seems so obvious. Your list even omits that the time Whiteside and Hood have missed. I'm actually surprised we have lost many double digit games and our record is worse. If this roster was fully healthy and at 5-8, I would be far more concerned.
 
kjironman1 said:
Even more so Mario signed a 2 year $ 3.6 million contract. We end up with a cap hit of 1.7 this year. Mario was never supposed to be in a starting position.
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If youre a contending team your bench needs to be made up of guys you'd be comfortable starting. I'd feel very comfortable with Jake. Letting him go for Hezonja was a huge mistake.
 
Wizard Mentor said:
Our starting C is out.
Our starting PF is out.
Our backup PF/C is out.
Our 3rd best player is currently playing like our 6th or 7th best player.
Our bench is routinely getting its butt kicked.
We have a lot of young players and new players.
We have a very difficult first 20 or so games.

I, too, was hoping for rainbows and puppies.

It sucks, but our problems aren't permanent.
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Our starting C is still good right now, getting 15/13/2 on 60+ TS%.
Our current backup C is probably as good as the one thats out.
Almost every team has key players out.
 
Tince said:
I'm really surprised this isn't the #1 thing people think as it seems so obvious. Your list even omits that the time Whiteside and Hood have missed. I'm actually surprised we have lost many double digit games and our record is worse. If this roster was fully healthy and at 5-8, I would be far more concerned.
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The only game Whiteside missed was the game Embiid missed, IIRC.
 
BonesJones said:
If youre a contending team your bench needs to be made up of guys you'd be comfortable starting. I'd feel very comfortable with Jake. Letting him go for Hezonja was a huge mistake.
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No argument from me on Jake. For that matter i wish they had Pat Con also. Or at least one of the two?
 
BonesJones said:
You think were an above .500 team last year wothout Dame?

Advanced stats are good with proper context. You're failing to utilize the latter
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I didn’t say that we would be. We didn’t really have a backup PG so losing Dane would hurt us more than a team with some depth at PG.
 
Tince said:
The other team I can think of is 2-12 coming off an NBA finals appearance. Don't worry, they have fans questioning Kerr's abilities to lead a team as well.
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You mean the team missing their top 2 players?

We're not missing Dame and CJ...
 
Wizard Mentor said:
Which teams are missing 2 starters?
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Were only missing one starter. Nurkic is hurt but we knew that and planned for that by getting a starting C to play in his place. But that doesnt fit the narrative...

Kings are missing Fox and Bagley.
Warriors are missing Steph, Klay, and Russell.
Bucks are missing Middleton.
Pacers are missing Oladipo. Brogdon and Lamb are missing games and are DTD.
Nets are missing Durant, Levert, Chandler. Kyrie is DTD.
Raptors are missing Lowry and Ibaka and just got Anunoby back.
Celtics are missing Hayward.
Pelicans are missing Zion and Lonzo, and have a number of others banged up.
Hawks are missing Collins and Huerter.
Pistons were missing Blake and are currently missing Jackson
Suns are missing Ayton
Clippers have been missing Kawhi and PG for stretches and are missing Shamet
 
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