Game Thread GAME# 22: NUGGETS @ BLAZERS - NOVEMBER 30, 2018 - FRIDAY, 7:30 PM , ESPN & NBCSNW

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I feel like NO has had a hand in telling stotts hey were gonna build. the 2nd unit around ET and have him as a primary ball handler. His moves over the summer and the things he said did seem to indicate their going to force feed ET.
Now how much of that was on Stotts or NO im not sure, but their comments over the summer seemed to indicate they’re going all in on trying to get something out of ET.
Maybe, but it doesn't really explain why Turner went from basically only playing with the 2nd unit to playing a ton with the starters or why when he is in with the starters he is used in the way that sucks.
 
Maybe, but it doesn't really explain why Turner went from basically only playing with the 2nd unit to playing a ton with the starters or why when he is in with the starters he is used in the way that sucks.

Stauskas would fit better with the starters. Turner is useless without the ball. Stauskas provides spacing and it’s not like he can’t make plays for others either. He just doesn’t get the chance to with Dame and CJ. Makes no sense.
 
Stauskas would fit better with the starters. Turner is useless without the ball. Stauskas provides spacing and it’s not like he can’t make plays for others either. He just doesn’t get the chance to with Dame and CJ. Makes no sense.
Because a super small sample size shows that lineup isn't good analytically. SMH
 
Speculation on my part. Because there’s no reason Evan Turner should be playing this much. He’s absolutely atrocious and should be getting benched based on how guys like Layman get treated
Fair enough.
 
Maybe, but it doesn't really explain why Turner went from basically only playing with the 2nd unit to playing a ton with the starters or why when he is in with the starters he is used in the way that sucks.
I really liked Pat with the starters more last year. Personally i think Stauskas would be a better fit with the starters than Turner if you are looking for that kind of line up with another ball handler.
 
I think Stotts is blinded by what Turner should be in theory. He does make plays sometimes and is a good defender if he's on the ball with no picks coming.

He's also the oldest player on the team so I think they want some "vet leadership" out there. I'd rather have young guys making mistakes and learning.

Whatever it is it’s absolutely frustrating. All the sudden Turner can’t make free throws and not only is he missing buckets his turnovers are starting to be even crazier for his standards
 
A lot of you guys need to chill. We're down 17 and we comeback and put our selves in position to win the game. If cj make the shot, a lot of thoses negative coments become positive coments. Its ok. Its a long season, denver its a pretty good team. Next one we take, go Blazers

Damn where you been bud
 
Turner has to be benched or traded. I'm sick of him committing a lazy turnover and then compounding it by fouling on defense when we are in the penalty. I'm also sick of rewinding to see which Blazer left his man alone at the 3 point line when he didn't even leave enough to help and is just lost in no mans land. Several times tonight I thought, "that better not be Turner again," and sure enough it usually was. To be fair this seems to be a team problem but Turner is the main culprit lately. The team is in good defensive position and all of a sudden they just start drifting towards the key aimlessly or got caught turned around and all it takes is a little penetration and a kick out for a wide open 3. Isn't the whole point of Stotts' defensive philosophy to force the other team into taking inefficient mid range shots? Why are we sagging off the 3 point line when there is a big in the key if the ball handler drives? This shit is driving me crazy.

Harkless and Curry probably shouldn't be playing right now. I actually like both of them and I get that game action is the best way to work them into a key role later in the season but they just don't like right and it's painful to watch them run around hoping they snap out of it. Lets just give them some time to get better.

Collins needs to tone it the fuck down. He's playing like Baldwin did last year when he was trying to get into the rotation. You can see a foul coming way before it actually happens. He's all up in the offensive player on the perimeter and is reaching and overusing his arms in the post. He needs to go back to just trying to play straight up. Blocked shots and steals are great but altering shots with good positioning usually leads to a nice positive result too.

Why have we gone back to playing CJ with the 2nd unit, even with Harkless and Curry back from injuries? During the hot start this rarely happened, then we go back to it when Curry sits out and we have been playing crappy ever since?
Zach starting to drift forward to much on his attempt blocks. But he has said he knows he making dumb fouls that why he working with the NBA official they hired last year. But I am not down grade because he at least out there attempting to play good D and most of the time he the right position or cutting off another player because someone loosing there man.
 
Did you know the Spurs have lost their last two games by 39 and 31 points?
I know every year we say that this year is the end of the Spurs... but this year really IS the end of the Spurs. Here's their last ten games:
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I dont think I'm gonna post much in game threads anymore. A certain group of posters have ruined it. I've noticed a lot of the quality posters on this board no longer post in game threads, and I can see why.
Hey, you are tougher than that! :) I personally would not enjoy game threads nearly as much if you were not posting. In the heat of the moment, there will always be a lot of over-reaction in game threads, but so what?
 
I know every year we say that this year is the end of the Spurs... but this year really IS the end of the Spurs. Here's their last ten games:
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But at least they have a coach who they can have some faith in and who takes responsibility for the problem:
“It’s a game where you continue to try to get better in all aspects of the game. We are obviously discombobulated on offense. A lot of that has to do with me, so I have to do a better job there. And defensively, we obviously have to shore up our effort and our wisdom at that end of the court. So, we have a lot of work to do.”

 
Reading the thread after the game, I want to discuss this with everyone who mentioned that this team doesn't have the talent to fix this issue...

Here is just what I could think of off the top of my head:

1) Don't set a screen for Dame. If they are blitzing him off the screens to the point it is shutting down the whole offense I'd rather take my chances with Dame being able to navigate the offense without a pick, especially if he has an average defender like Jamal Murray guarding him. If you noticed during the game the Nuggets often had Millsap guarding the guy they thought was going to set the pick for Dame. For example Millsap was guarding Nurkic and Jokic was on Aminu. If I can see that at home there is no excuse for the coaches not recognizing this. Millsap was great at double teaming Dame in this game.

2) Run pick and roll with someone else as the screener. If guys like Anthony Davis and Paul Millsap are blowing up our offense here's a radical suggestion: don't fucking send the guy that player is guarding to be the one who is setting the screen. For example, when Millsap was guarding Leonard then he should've been the one camped out in the corner at the 3 point line. Instead what do we do? We keep sending the same player to set the screen so that they can double. Unless the other team has multiple long athletic defensive freaks, if we take the disruptive defender out of the play it changes everything. If he helps off of his man too much then you make him pay with a wide open 3 or a baseline cut for a dunk/layup.

3) Play Dame off the ball. What the fuck happened to this concept from the preseason? If Dame doesn't have the ball and you set a screen for him there is no way the defense can double him because if they do it leaves the screener wide open on a roll to the basket. If they switch then you have a mismatch and simply pass Dame the ball and clear out or post up the big on the smaller defender. If one screen doesn't work run him off of multiple screens.

4) Play inside out instead of outside in. You know what would work getting Millsap away from the screens? Make Denver pay for putting him on Nurk. They posted up Nurk on Millsap one of the first plays of the game and he easily scored. I don't remember them going back to him with the mismatch again. Once the entry pass is made some off the ball movement is all that would be needed. Guys like Harkless and Aminu could down the middle or set off the ball picks for Dame and CJ and Nurk could kick it out for open 3's. At some point if Nurk is effective on the block the other team will have to start doubling too.

5) Run the offense through the high post. Nurk had something like 8 assists in the Washington game mostly through good passes from the high post and since then they've barely gone to that play. Denver was overplaying like crazy tonight. The back door cuts would've been there all night and it would have forced them to not play so aggressively.

6) Stop doing hand off passes to Dame and CJ. This was another thing that was really fucking frustrating tonight. Portland's predictable offense when a big has the ball (especially on the side), they almost always wait for Dame or CJ to come so they can just hand the ball off to them and then try to get in his defenders way so he gets open. What Denver would do is just have whatever big was guarding the guy with the ball play over the top so when the ball was handed off there was a defender right in his face blocking his path. You could see the trap coming about 3 seconds before it actually happened. I don't get why we continue to run the offense that way when it is getting shut down.

These are all super basic ideas, most of which have nothing to do with the talent level of the team. Even if it was true that Dame had no help why continue to run the same concepts offensively that don't work in the playoffs?
Brilliant post, mate! Why can we as fans see this but our overpaid, underperforming coaching staff cannot?
 
I dont think I'm gonna post much in game threads anymore. A certain group of posters have ruined it. I've noticed a lot of the quality posters on this board no longer post in game threads, and I can see why.

The thing is game threads especially during the game get the brunt of all of our more emotional, immediate and sometimes stupid comments; I do it, you do it, lots of us do it. I think you should keep posting and if the comment is “that” bad you can always ignore it.
 
Zach starting to drift forward to much on his attempt blocks. But he has said he knows he making dumb fouls that why he working with the NBA official they hired last year. But I am not down grade because he at least out there attempting to play good D and most of the time he the right position or cutting off another player because someone loosing there man.
Yeah two of his fouls last night were just bad but you could tell he knew right off the bat. He will get it together. I got faith in that kid. he has a fire to be in this league and play well.
 
Yeah two of his fouls last night were just bad but you could tell he knew right off the bat. He will get it together. I got faith in that kid. he has a fire to be in this league and play well.
agree...Even Woj said Blazer fans need to be patient!
 
A lot of you guys need to chill. We're down 17 and we comeback and put our selves in position to win the game. If cj make the shot, a lot of thoses negative coments become positive coments. Its ok. Its a long season, denver its a pretty good team. Next one we take, go Blazers
You must be new.....this is what they do here......OH.......you are new!
 
This is so depressing. We’re barely competitive anymore against the better teams in the league. How many years now are we just spinning our wheels and going nowhere. I’m finding it very hard to watch the games these days, even though I’ve paid for a full year of NBA League Pass.
 
Zach starting to drift forward to much on his attempt blocks. But he has said he knows he making dumb fouls that why he working with the NBA official they hired last year. But I am not down grade because he at least out there attempting to play good D and most of the time he the right position or cutting off another player because someone loosing there man.
I should've been a little clearer on Zach, I'm not that down on him yet. I just don't get why he's being super aggressive on the perimeter. Baldwin would come in and do the same thing and pick up a couple of immediate fouls and not get to play again. The thing is you can see him about to commit a foul when he does this and then he gets mad at himself for doing so. Last year he was usually in pretty good position on the perimeter too. I don't know we he is over doing it so much when he needs to do the opposite if he wants to avoid fouls.

The only thing I can think of is the old belief that if you are aggressive and physical all the time they can't call everything. Well, Zach is proving that they can.
 
Turner has to be benched or traded. I'm sick of him committing a lazy turnover and then compounding it by fouling on defense when we are in the penalty. I'm also sick of rewinding to see which Blazer left his man alone at the 3 point line when he didn't even leave enough to help and is just lost in no mans land. Several times tonight I thought, "that better not be Turner again," and sure enough it usually was. To be fair this seems to be a team problem but Turner is the main culprit lately. The team is in good defensive position and all of a sudden they just start drifting towards the key aimlessly or got caught turned around and all it takes is a little penetration and a kick out for a wide open 3. Isn't the whole point of Stotts' defensive philosophy to force the other team into taking inefficient mid range shots? Why are we sagging off the 3 point line when there is a big in the key if the ball handler drives? This shit is driving me crazy.

Harkless and Curry probably shouldn't be playing right now. I actually like both of them and I get that game action is the best way to work them into a key role later in the season but they just don't like right and it's painful to watch them run around hoping they snap out of it. Lets just give them some time to get better.

Collins needs to tone it the fuck down. He's playing like Baldwin did last year when he was trying to get into the rotation. You can see a foul coming way before it actually happens. He's all up in the offensive player on the perimeter and is reaching and overusing his arms in the post. He needs to go back to just trying to play straight up. Blocked shots and steals are great but altering shots with good positioning usually leads to a nice positive result too.

Why have we gone back to playing CJ with the 2nd unit, even with Harkless and Curry back from injuries? During the hot start this rarely happened, then we go back to it when Curry sits out and we have been playing crappy ever since?
Hahaha. I was doing the same thing. I hit rewind about a half dozen times to see who left someone so wide open for an easy three. Aminu and Turnover were the responsible parties every time. The worst was when they left guys wide open for what I have to believe is the easiest, most efficient shot in basketball -- the corner three that every high school player can make -- to cheat back toward the key, when the key was already heavily guarded. So. Fucking. Stupid.
 
I should've been a little clearer on Zach, I'm not that down on him yet. I just don't get why he's being super aggressive on the perimeter. Baldwin would come in and do the same thing and pick up a couple of immediate fouls and not get to play again. The thing is you can see him about to commit a foul when he does this and then he gets mad at himself for doing so. Last year he was usually in pretty good position on the perimeter too. I don't know we he is over doing it so much when he needs to do the opposite if he wants to avoid fouls.

The only thing I can think of is the old belief that if you are aggressive and physical all the time they can't call everything. Well, Zach is proving that they can.
You'll think this is weird I'm sure, but I am actually higher on Zach now than I was at the start of the season. I think he's got a lot of potential anyways. Almost all of his fouls are just mental errors, but most of them seem pretty easy to fix with good coaching.
It's hard (for me at least), but I'm coming around on the idea of giving him another year or so to see how he develops. It's frustrating at times watching the growing pains, but I feel like I see more and more "good" out of him.
 
Hahaha. I was doing the same thing. I hit rewind about a half dozen times to see who left someone so wide open for an easy three. Aminu and Turnover were the responsible parties every time. The worst was when they left guys wide open for what I have to believe is the easiest, most efficient shot in basketball -- the corner three that every high school player can make -- to cheat back toward the key, when the key was already heavily guarded. So. Fucking. Stupid.
You missed a lot of the Dame ones...
 

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