Game Thread GAME# 58: NUGGETS @ BLAZERS - APRIL 21, 2021 - WEDNESDAY, 7:00, NBCSNW

[GDiama]

An empty chair would mean no difference, which I did not say.

Let's flip this a bit to test your theory:

You think coaching is very important correct? The average team spends about $115m on players and that number would likely be higher if it weren't for the salary cap and tax pentalties. The average NBA coach makes $3m and there are ZERO salary cap or tax implications on those dollars spent.

If great coaches made a massive difference in relation to talent, economics would say they would be paid accordingly. Teams would be crazy to not throw $30m, $40m, $50m A YEAR to a coach if it meant an extra 10 wins a year, that would be great value. Instead, they pay their coaches vet minimum salaries.

To me, the clear conclusion is that they think the difference from an ok coach to great coach just isn't that impactful and isn't worth the money.

Why do you think coaches are unpaid this badly if having a great one is so important?

Respectfully i will pass on arguing with you that coaching is important in basketball. I don't see the point. For me it feels like you say earth is flat.

 

[Tince]

Respectfully i will pass on arguing with you that coaching is important in basketball. I don't see the point. For me it feels like you say earth is flat.

We don't have to argue. I'm just curious why you think coaches are so underpaid given the premium value you put on them.

The facts are that teams spend about $3m per win ($120m/41wins). They also pay their head coach on average $3m. $3m = 1 win. If a coach were truly worth 10 wins, he would command $30m/year. I would argue that number would be higher because it does not have salary or tax implications.

I provided the data on what type of value ownership and GM's put on their head coaches (same as a vet min player, up to a MLE player). That would be the opposite of the flat-earth theory, which is more of an anecdotal take.

 

[Drttimmy]

I don't know, I'm not too disheartened. At least we're not playing like garbage. Effort was there, guys seemed focused. Similar to a lot of our matchups with the Nuggets, where the game came down to one or two shots. I think we just lost to a better, more talented team and to take them in a 7 game series we'd need guys like Nurk to play above and beyond. I don't think he's done that once this season. Thought Simons played well. Covington and Kanter played their roles well. When I look at the positional matchups with Denver, I just don't see anything we can exploit. Our three starting guards just run into size trying to penetrate and are forced to jump shoot or kick out.

 

[blazerkor]

I don't know, I'm not too disheartened. At least we're not playing like garbage. Effort was there, guys seemed focused. Similar to a lot of our matchups with the Nuggets, where the game came down to one or two shots. I think we just lost to a better, more talented team and to take them in a 7 game series we'd need guys like Nurk to play above and beyond. I don't think he's done that once this season. Thought Simons played well. Covington and Kanter played their roles well. When I look at the positional matchups with Denver, I just don't see anything we can exploit. Our three starting guards just run into size trying to penetrate and are forced to jump shoot or kick out.

I agree with what you're saying but the problem might be that they are the better more talented team, even without Murray. Where does that really put our roster at in terms of trying to contend or even making it out of the first round?

 

[stampedehero]

Nuggets vs. Trail Blazers - Box Score - April 21, 2021 - ESPN<<<< What is with this team Are we cursed?

 

[brooklynballer]

When did I say a different coach would take this roster to a chip? I said Stotts is fucking horrible at everything and he is. I think several coaches could take us further than Stotts. I think most coaches wouldn’t let this roster get swept as Stotts has several times. He’s a .500 coach with a top 10 player. It’s the most mediocre situation in the NBA.

That’s always the argument of the Stotts fanboys. Who’s gonna take this team to a championship as constructed? Maybe no one. Maybe someone. But we won’t know that until Terry’s ass is fired.

 

[brooklynballer]

An empty chair would mean no difference, which I did not say.

Let's flip this a bit to test your theory:

You think coaching is very important correct? The average team spends about $115m on players and that number would likely be higher if it weren't for the salary cap and tax pentalties. The average NBA coach makes $3m and there are ZERO salary cap or tax implications on those dollars spent.

If great coaches made a massive difference in relation to talent, economics would say they would be paid accordingly. Teams would be crazy to not throw $30m, $40m, $50m A YEAR to a coach if it meant an extra 10 wins a year, that would be great value. Instead, they pay their coaches vet minimum salaries.

To me, the clear conclusion is that they think the difference from an ok coach to great coach just isn't that impactful and isn't worth the money.

Why do you think coaches are underpaid this badly if having a great one is so important?

False on every count as usual. That’s some fucked up logic you just presented. Fans pay to watch the players play, not the coaches. Hard stop.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Where is Jones?



Even Zach is listed, but not DJJr?

 

[Chris Craig]

Where is Jones?

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Even Zach is listed, but not DJJr?

Being punished

 

[Chris Craig]

This team HAS been much improved. We were 35-39 last season. We are 32-26 this year. Plus we’re still playing without our starting PF. Don’t judge the team til we’re at full strength.

Seasons not over yet

 

[Hoopguru]

I agree with what you're saying but the problem might be that they are the better more talented team, even without Murray. Where does that really put our roster at in terms of trying to contend or even making it out of the first round?

As long as we depend on volume threes and have a back court thats not only small but not great defensibly its going to be tough to beat out teams like Denver & LA with length at all positions mostly.

 

[Sheldon Shape]

We went away from our most efficient player in Norman Powell. While the Nuggets are cutting and passing the ball, the Blazers are playing heavy isolation as Damian and CJ take turns going one on one.

Not gonna cut it against good teams.

 

[Tince]

False on every count as usual. That’s some fucked up logic you just presented. Fans pay to watch the players play, not the coaches. Hard stop.

The numbers I provided are wrong? NBA teams pay their coaches way more than their players? Got any links to back that up?

It is possible teams have way over-valued their players and under-valued their coaches for all these years. With the salary floor, there are some restrictions to the conclusion, but it doesn't explain why coaches make so little if their impact is as great as some people say.

 

[Cugel]

Strange that RHJ didn't even play right? You have a great game 24 h ago then you are benched? Help me understand that. Surely he could have provided some rim protection. Are there other teams where a guy plays down the stretch in the 4th quarter in a nail biter, then is benched the next night?

That decision is 100 percent coaching.

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

Strange that RHJ didn't even play right? You have a great game 24 h ago then you are benched? Help me understand that. Surely he could have provided some rim protection. Are there other teams where a guy plays down the stretch in the 4th quarter in a nail biter, then is benched the next night?

That decision is 100 percent coaching.

Possibly Stotts thinks of RHJ as a center, so when he has his two main guys able to play, RHJ doesn't?

 

[Natebishop3]

We didn't get blown out though!

 

[BoomChakaLaka]

Where is Jones?

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Even Zach is listed, but not DJJr?

COACHING:

you start RH-J amd the next night he doesn’t even play?

it’s mind-fucks like this that kill a team from the inside out.

last night Ant hits a three and seconds later he’s pulled for the balance of the game. What does this “coaching” do to a kids psyche?

pick & roll. pick & roll. pick & roll. pick & roll. This is THE offense! What kind of “coaching is this?” No wonder we don’t use an available time out to set up a play...WE DONT HAVE PLAYS!

CJ should have been traded. Period. Adding RH-J and Leaf? Don’t get me started on the GM.

top-down, this needs to be blown up

 

[James lamphear]

Since people are really getting all over this Vanterpool thing I said “I’d rather see that”, the fact is I’d rather see anyone than Stotts and just threw the name out because I know it would be an easy transition with how much Dame loves him. It’s not like he’s my first choice.

That's my problem with him being our next coach Dame and CJ loves him so how much accountable willl hold them on there play because right I don't see any under Stotts.

 

[Natebishop3]

That's my problem with him being our next coach Dame and CJ loves him so how much accountable willl hold them on there play because right I don't see any under Stotts.

If Vanterpool comes in, nothing will change.

 

[Labinot41]

Yeah Vanterpool would be Stotts 2.0

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Strange that RHJ didn't even play right? You have a great game 24 h ago then you are benched?

Well, the team effectively lost 60-odd minutes of PT when Dame and Nurk came back, so SOMEBODY was going to lose out.

 

[wizenheimer]

I think we are playing better. Just look at the defense. But still too many low IQ plays by low IQ players. Sometimes you take one step forward two steps back.

Portland played more competitive games, but I'm not sure I'd credit the defense much. Their season rating is a dismal 116.6. Last night it was 116; the night before against the Clippers it was 121.2. The effort of defense is better but the result isn't

the problem is Portland had a negative differential in both games. That's what brought things down to the last shot and the law of averages has been punishing the Blazers lately for the earlier season close-game successes

 

[James lamphear]

If Vanterpool comes in, nothing will change.

That's what I am afraid of I believe someone that never been under Stotts be I could be wrong but I don't want take that chance.

 

[Mr. Robot]

@wizenheimer how does defensive rating works

clippers scored 113 and nuggets scored 106 and yet, blazers defensive rating last two games is 118

 

[wizenheimer]

@wizenheimer how does defensive rating works

clippers scored 113 and nuggets scored 106 and yet, blazers defensive rating last two games is 118

ratings, offense and defense, are per 100 possessions. If a team gives up 113 points on 93 opponent possessions, their defensive rating would be 121.5
(113/93) X 100

another way to look at it is divide by 100. Blazers gave up 1.18 points/possession over last two games when the league average is around 1.12

 

[BigGameDamian]

It really has to boggle the mind how the poll question is so close in this one. Dave's Killer Bread is far better quality than Franz.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

 

[Strenuus]

I like her. She has spunk.

 

[Mr. Robot]

nice tits and shes solid

 

[Serbian]

2 losses by 2 total points to 2 teams ahead of us in our conference in 2 nights is a little too much to be positive about for me.

I am very positive. I want stotts gone. We will loose the next 4 games and with 8 game loosing streak stotts might be canned. The notion to celebrate playoffs is a joke. I see absolute sweep whoever we playing. Stotts for 6 streight years dead last in defense every year. This year we are even worse. Its not personal issues, stotts has no accountability and he is a terrible coach. If blazers fire stotts with 10-8 games left in regular season WATCH OUT this team can be dangerous new life new motivation That includes Lillard. Stotts can not come back.