Game Thread GAME# 62: BLAZERS @ RAPTORS - MARCH 1, 2019 - FRIDAY, 5:00 PM, ESPN & NBCSNW

[TorturedBlazerFan]

elite definition: a select group that is superior in terms of ability or qualities to the rest of a group or society

those stats I listed actually gauge ability and quality. You just came up with a number that gauges opportunity, and the raw result of that opportunity.

TS% normalizes between result and opportunity (CJ also ranks 150th in eFG%...behind Aminu). It's not a perfect stat, but none are, but it certainly injects some critical context into that PPG number. And it certainly begins to make the label of elite when applied to CJ questionable. Apparently, Zach Levine is much more elite than CJ as he averages 2.4 more points on 0.1 more shot; Devin Booker averages 3 more points on 0.8 more shots; and both of those guys crush CJ in assist rate

it also raises the question if other players are more "elite" offensively than CJ. Tobias Harris averages 0.1 fewer points on 2.6 fewer shots; Buddy Hield averages 0.2 fewer points on 1.6 fewer shots; LMA 0.3 fewers point on 1.9 fewer shots; Julius Randle 0.8 fewer points on 4.2 fewer shots, Lou Williams 1.4 fewer points on 2.9 fewer shots; John Collins 1.7 fewer points on 4.7 fewer shots

you can not ignore efficiency when you're talking about offense. I would agree that CJ seems fairly good at scoring considering he creates about 52% of his offense on his own. But he simply isn't very efficient, not in shooting or scoring. And considering how much he has the ball in his hands, how much shot clock he burns, and how many possessions he uses, his play-making ability, or rather the lack of, detracts from the overall context of his offensive game. Like I said, if somebody wanted to say he was good on offense, I wouldn't push back against it. I don't really agree, but it's not worth debating at this point in time. But CJ being called "elite" just doesn't withstand any scrutiny IMO,

I'll say it, he's an elite NBA scorer, heard it from people who actually have to guard him enough times to know that this is why so many players laugh off analytic guys and fans. Is CJ efficient? no, but the guy can score with the best in the world. In fact, he's one of only 500ish people on the planet who's even in the NBA, and he's one of maybe 60ish guys in the NBA who are actually game planned for every night. So of a very elite group of people, he's also considered elite enough that those group of players focus on stopping him on a nightly basis. Every single opposing coach talks about you gotta stop Dame and CJ, that's literally their game plan.
I've got my issues with CJ and I'm not sure the Dame / CJ combo is championship worthy, but I think it's getting a little crazy how much work is going into trying to say he's bad, when he very clearly isn't, and there isn't a team in the NBA who wouldn't want CJ on their roster. They may not start him depending on who they have but sheesh no one's claiming he's Dame, or KD, or Lebron, or whomever. Everyone knows he's got holes in games. Zach Levine and Devin Booker are guys you bring up because "stats" but I wouldn't trade for either one, they've been in the league for a few years now and their "skills" certainly haven't led to winning, they're number one options too, instead of second or third option.
I get it CJ has issues, we all know he's bad on defense for an NBA player, he doesn't pass well, he really does one thing well which is create his own shot, but that one skill has gotten him pretty far in life...

 

[wizenheimer]

Dude. I can see with my own eyes that CJ is an elite offensive player. My guess is that most b-ball guys see this too.

well yeah, obviously...that's what we are debating. Your eyes say one thing, my eyes says another, and my reasoning says 'elite' depends on more than just simple volume. Efficiency of shooting, scoring, and play-making are significant components of ability and quality, and CJ is only average, at best, in those areas. Lillard is elite on offense, CJ isn't

but obviously, we're not going agree on this so there we are....agree to disagree

I've got my issues with CJ and I'm not sure the Dame / CJ combo is championship worthy, but I think it's getting a little crazy how much work is going into trying to say he's bad, when he very clearly isn't, and there isn't a team in the NBA who wouldn't want CJ on their roster. .

where was it I said CJ was "bad"? I'm sorry TBF, that sure looks like a straw-man argument. I think that even most people that want CJ traded don't think he's bad, just that he's generally overrated and specifically overpaid (although you might make an argument that the level of CJ criticism around here means he's probably not overrated)

as far as "there isn't a team in the NBA who wouldn't want CJ on their roster"; I'm not buying that one. I think any team that has a SG comparable to or better than CJ on offense wouldn't want a 28M a year backup, and I count at least a dozen team teams that fit that description. Any team that values perimeter defense and length likely won't want CJ at a near-max salary, and there are a handful of those. And any team that is already at the limit of huge salaries wouldn't want him either. it's the NBA and you can't just ignore a player's cost

sorry if this is coming across as too aggressive but you just seemed to stake out a couple of extreme positions to make your argument

 

[CupWizier]

well yeah, obviously...that's what we are debating. Your eyes say one thing, my eyes says another, and my reasoning says 'elite' depends on more than just simple volume. Efficiency of shooting, scoring, and play-making are significant components of ability and quality, and CJ is only average, at best, in those areas. Lillard is elite on offense, CJ isn't

but obviously, we're not going agree on this so there we are....agree to disagree



where was it I said CJ was "bad"? I'm sorry TBF, that sure looks like a straw-man argument. I think that even most people that want CJ traded don't think he's bad, just that he's generally overrated and specifically overpaid (although you might make an argument that the level of CJ criticism around here means he's probably not overrated)

as far "there isn't a team in the NBA who wouldn't want CJ on their roster"; I'm going to call bullshit on that one. I think any team that has a SG comparable to or better than CJ on offense wouldn't want a 28M a year backup, and I count at least a dozen team teams that fit that description. Any team that values perimeter defense and length likely won't want CJ at a near-max salary, and there are a handful of those. And any team that is already at the limit of huge salaries wouldn't want him either. it's the NBA and you can't just ignore a player's cost

sorry if this is coming across as too aggressive but you just seemed to stake out a couple of extreme positions to make your argument

Just say you hate McCollum and move on. You argue pretty much everyday bad mouthing a player, coach and or GM. An outsider would likely think you come to this forum to troll the Blazers. I bet others share a similar position. Your shtick has become extremely stale.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Just say you hate McCollum and move on. You argue pretty much everyday bad mouthing a player, coach and or GM. An outsider would likely think you come to this forum to troll the Blazers. I bet others share a similar position. Your shtick has become extremely stale.

I dont think he’s here to troll us or the team. All fans have their own opinions and such on certain players. I guess thats how it works. I think you’re right though, its safe to say he doesnt like CJ very much.

 

[wizenheimer]

Your shtick has become extremely stale.

LOL...that really takes the cake and flattens it to a sub-atomic level with overwhelming self-irony

congratulations, you've entered the

 

[CupWizier]

I dont think he’s here to troll us or the team. All fans have their own opinions and such on certain players. I guess thats how it works. I think you’re right though, its safe to say he doesnt like CJ very much.

When someone spends more time being negative ,especially with a team playing pretty good and once again above expectations, than showing support isn't much of a fan in my book

 

[KingSpeed]

Over the last few years, we’ve had a decent record without Dame. When CJ is the man, he has played very well. Just this year, he had a triple double when Dame was out. CJ is underrated. He would be All Star in East.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

well yeah, obviously...that's what we are debating. Your eyes say one thing, my eyes says another, and my reasoning says 'elite' depends on more than just simple volume. Efficiency of shooting, scoring, and play-making are significant components of ability and quality, and CJ is only average, at best, in those areas. Lillard is elite on offense, CJ isn't

but obviously, we're not going agree on this so there we are....agree to disagree



where was it I said CJ was "bad"? I'm sorry TBF, that sure looks like a straw-man argument. I think that even most people that want CJ traded don't think he's bad, just that he's generally overrated and specifically overpaid (although you might make an argument that the level of CJ criticism around here means he's probably not overrated)

as far as "there isn't a team in the NBA who wouldn't want CJ on their roster"; I'm not buying that one. I think any team that has a SG comparable to or better than CJ on offense wouldn't want a 28M a year backup, and I count at least a dozen team teams that fit that description. Any team that values perimeter defense and length likely won't want CJ at a near-max salary, and there are a handful of those. And any team that is already at the limit of huge salaries wouldn't want him either. it's the NBA and you can't just ignore a player's cost

sorry if this is coming across as too aggressive but you just seemed to stake out a couple of extreme positions to make your argument

You’re making the case that some teams are in a cap situation where they cant afford him, thats different then if they’d want him on their team. Like Jimmy Buckets, dont know if I would want that guy for free at this point, and he’s better overall then CJ.

Im good with you disliking CJ thats fine or thinking he’s over paid. You literally said you question if he’s good on offense. So since that is the reason he’s in the NBA you question if he even belongs in the NBA? Just because you didnt say he’s bad verbatum youve been posting just about every negative CJ thing it seems like you could find, to the point where you, “Dont agree” he’s good on offense.

Argue this though if he isnt good on offense then how come literally every teams Coach says their game plan is to stop Dame and CJ. He’s obviously good enough where the best players in the world know they gotta stop him. They arent saying they gotta stop Layman, or Aminu, or Harkless... Seems like what you’re trying to say is he’s over rated when people talk about him like he’s a star (I’d agree). He’s under rated though especially on offense when people talk about him like they dont even think he’s “good”.

I dont think CJ is a star, but he most certainly is good on offense and every time Dames been out and it’s been on CJ to carry them offensively he’s risen to that challenge.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

well yeah, obviously...that's what we are debating. Your eyes say one thing, my eyes says another, and my reasoning says 'elite' depends on more than just simple volume. Efficiency of shooting, scoring, and play-making are significant components of ability and quality, and CJ is only average, at best, in those areas. Lillard is elite on offense, CJ isn't

but obviously, we're not going agree on this so there we are....agree to disagree



where was it I said CJ was "bad"? I'm sorry TBF, that sure looks like a straw-man argument. I think that even most people that want CJ traded don't think he's bad, just that he's generally overrated and specifically overpaid (although you might make an argument that the level of CJ criticism around here means he's probably not overrated)

as far as "there isn't a team in the NBA who wouldn't want CJ on their roster"; I'm not buying that one. I think any team that has a SG comparable to or better than CJ on offense wouldn't want a 28M a year backup, and I count at least a dozen team teams that fit that description. Any team that values perimeter defense and length likely won't want CJ at a near-max salary, and there are a handful of those. And any team that is already at the limit of huge salaries wouldn't want him either. it's the NBA and you can't just ignore a player's cost

sorry if this is coming across as too aggressive but you just seemed to stake out a couple of extreme positions to make your argument

For the record Im not a big CJ fan, I know his “numbers” in terms of advanced stats arent that great, and I know his defense leaves a ton to be desired. I mainly just thought the line of, “you dont think he’s good on offense”, is taking it too far. He’s in the NBA solely for offense, other teams know he’s a threat and treat him as one...
I was hoping they’d move him and upgrade the forwards and this summer especially if they lose in the 1st round again, I’ll want them to do it then too.

 

[wizenheimer]

I mainly just thought the line of, “you dont think he’s good on offense”, is taking it too far.
.

I didn't exactly say that, but I did imply it, and you're right, it was some rhetorical excess....my bad

I'll grant he's good at scoring, which is a big part of offense. I think we'd both agree he's not so good at passing and helping teammates, which is definitely a component of offense, especially for a player that has the ball in his hands as much as he does. I think he has improved on that a bit over the last couple of weeks though. He is bad at defense and that detracts from his offense

I still think he's an awkward fit starting alongside Dame, and Dame is the engine that drives Portland.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

I didn't exactly say that, but I did imply it, and you're right, it was some rhetorical excess....my bad

I'll grant he's good at scoring, which is a big part of offense. I think we'd both agree he's not so good at passing and helping teammates, which is definitely a component of offense, especially for a player that has the ball in his hands as much as he does. I think he has improved on that a bit over the last couple of weeks though. He is bad at defense and that detracts from his offense

I still think he's an awkward fit starting alongside Dame, and Dame is the engine that drives Portland.

I actually think CJ is a natural PG, even last night when he was the main ball handler he made some good passes. It seems like when he plays with someone else who’s doing most of the “PG” work he tends to have one thing on his mind and that's shooting, and because of how he gets his shot, it definitely can stagnate the offense.
I agree Dame is the engine and the fit with CJ is strange at times. I think the only reason we are seeing an improvement to CJ as a passer or facilitating for teammates is he's playing more PG. I think we kind of agree, and hey we all use hyperbole here and there, and I'm cranky today so probably more argumentative then I need to be heh!

 

[Orion Bailey]

I actually think CJ is a natural PG, even last night when he was the main ball handler he made some good passes. It seems like when he plays with someone else who’s doing most of the “PG” work he tends to have one thing on his mind and that's shooting, and because of how he gets his shot, it definitely can stagnate the offense.
I agree Dame is the engine and the fit with CJ is strange at times. I think the only reason we are seeing an improvement to CJ as a passer or facilitating for teammates is he's playing more PG. I think we kind of agree, and hey we all use hyperbole here and there, and I'm cranky today so probably more argumentative then I need to be heh!

Watching Toronto, i like the spread of thier talent better.

One elite pg.
one elite forward.
One elite(aging) center.

Some young potential guys and veteran bench.

I wouldnt mind swapping cj and scraps for an elite forward. Doesnt have to be kawhi elite though because i think dame is better than lowry aNd nurk is better than gasol.
We need an elite forward. And we would be unstoppable. Even without cj.

 

[James lamphear]

CJ is a scorer with a big contract and that what the league as gone to this age of the game. They pass rules to have teams and players to score more. No new rule have benefited the defense at all.

 

[wizenheimer]

Watching Toronto, i like the spread of thier talent better.

One elite pg.
one elite forward.
One elite(aging) center.

Some young potential guys and veteran bench.

I wouldnt mind swapping cj and scraps for an elite forward. Doesnt have to be kawhi elite though because i think dame is better than lowry aNd nurk is better than gasol.
We need an elite forward. And we would be unstoppable. Even without cj.

Toronto is really good at forward. The Kawhi/Siakam pairing might be the best in the NBA; yeah, arguably, Durant/Green might be better. But Toronto's two forwards are highly mobile, good ball-handlers, great defenders, and have great length. I'm jealous

in the best of worlds, Portland would have traded CJ + for PG13. A Dame-PG13-Nurkic big three would be a contender, even against the Warriors

I'd be fine with a CJ + Zach for Blake Griffin swap. Yeah, I know many would be against that, but Dame-Jake-Mo-Blake-Nurkic would be better than what they have now. Even somebody at the level of Tobias Harris might be better, than the big-3 they have now, although that's cutting it tight. I just don't know what other forwards might be available for what Portland could trade

 

[Orion Bailey]

Toronto is really good at forward. The Kawhi/Siakam pairing might be the best in the NBA; yeah, arguably, Durant/Green might be better. But Toronto's two forwards are highly mobile, good ball-handlers, great defenders, and have great length. I'm jealous

in the best of worlds, Portland would have traded CJ + for PG13. A Dame-PG13-Nurkic big three would be a contender, even against the Warriors

I'd be fine with a CJ + Zach for Blake Griffin swap. Yeah, I know many would be against that, but Dame-Jake-Mo-Blake-Nurkic would be better than what they have now. Even somebody at the level of Tobias Harris might be better, than the big-3 they have now, although that's cutting it tight. I just don't know what other forwards might be available for what Portland could trade

And there is NO’s dilemma. Im not giving cj up unless its a clear upgrade and the realistic, clear upgrades available are far and few between.

 

[THE HCP]

You seem to have a pet peeve about people talking about the officiating, and thats fine. Officiating is part of the game though, and NBA officials are notoriously inconsistent.

No, he has the same pet peeve I do.....people blaming refs for us losing games.

 

[THE HCP]

Here's a perspective for you....

Just maybe, not everyone is out to get you.
Maybe these 'random people' represent the general concensus of the forum. They are inicent bistandards who are trying to give honest feedback of where the 'discussion' went off the rails.

When more than 2-3 people indicate that you're taking it too far, maybe a little self-introspection is in order and its time to tone it down....

I appreciate your contributions and knowledge that you share. I agree with you on many topics, but far too often the conversation devolves into proving that 'I'm right & your wrong'

Well said sir, well said.

 

[THE HCP]

Think it's funny that you wanna hang a loss on the only guy who actually kept us in the game.

Was thinking the same thing. If the players screws up at the end of the game, and he was the reason we were even IN the game. He gets a pass in my book.

 

[wizenheimer]

And there is NO’s dilemma. Im not giving cj up unless its a clear upgrade and the realistic, clear upgrades available are far and few between.

that I don't necessarily agree with. Oladipo & Sabonis were not upgrades over PG13 but it got the Pacers in a better position. Andrew Bogut was not an upgrade over Monta Ellis, but it got the Warriors into a better position

sometimes, maybe most time, there's a little addition by subtraction because it allows better options for the real upgrade. Sometimes, subtracting big salary allows for better flexibility, and for sure, Portland's flexibility is quite restricted by big salary and the tax line. It may be that Portalnd has to take a step or two back before they can jump forward. Restricting a trade to 'clear upgrade' almost seems guaranteed to maintain status quo. Obviously, the close to the season and the playoffs will be pivot points for what the team should shoot for.

 

[Orion Bailey]

that I don't necessarily agree with. Oladipo & Sabonis were not upgrades over PG13 but it got the Pacers in a better position. Andrew Bogut was not an upgrade over Monta Ellis, but it got the Warriors into a better position

sometimes, maybe most time, there's a little addition by subtraction because it allows better options for the real upgrade. Sometimes, subtracting big salary allows for better flexibility, and for sure, Portland's flexibility is quite restricted by big salary and the tax line. It may be that Portalnd has to take a step or two back before they can jump forward. Restricting a trade to 'clear upgrade' almost seems guaranteed to maintain status quo. Obviously, the close to the season and the playoffs will be pivot points for what the team should shoot for.

Would you rather be okc or indiana right now?

 

[Orion Bailey]

that I don't necessarily agree with. Oladipo & Sabonis were not upgrades over PG13 but it got the Pacers in a better position. Andrew Bogut was not an upgrade over Monta Ellis, but it got the Warriors into a better position

sometimes, maybe most time, there's a little addition by subtraction because it allows better options for the real upgrade. Sometimes, subtracting big salary allows for better flexibility, and for sure, Portland's flexibility is quite restricted by big salary and the tax line. It may be that Portalnd has to take a step or two back before they can jump forward. Restricting a trade to 'clear upgrade' almost seems guaranteed to maintain status quo. Obviously, the close to the season and the playoffs will be pivot points for what the team should shoot for.

I didnt say restrict a trade unless a clear upgrade, i said restrict trading cj as a clear upgrade.

I get what you are saying though. And i too believe in addition by subtraction at times. I just dont know if this is the time. We have many of these additions already. I think kanter,harkless, jake, collins are the role players needed but we need an elite forward. And another vet or two on the bench to replace curry and aminu after the season. Not more role players.

 

[wizenheimer]

Would you rather be okc or indiana right now?

not sure I see how that relates to the point I was making? By the way, Indiana has a better record with a payroll 36M less than OKC granting it a lot more flexibility; plus, the Pacers have all of their future 1sts, while OKC owes their 2020 and 2022 firsts. Besides that, PG13 made it clear that he wasn't going to re-sign with Indiana. Obviously, you'd rather have the elite player in PG13, but that wasn't an option for the Pacers

another way the question seems off is that OKC took a major risk trading for PG13 and it paid off hugely. Meanwhile, Olshey may be the most risk-averse GM in the league

I'd much rather have PG13, or Oladipo + Sabonis than CJ though, even with Dipo's injury.

 

[Orion Bailey]

not sure I see how that relates to the point I was making? By the way, Indiana has a better record with a payroll 36M less than OKC granting it a lot more flexibility; plus, the Pacers have all of their future 1sts, while OKC owes their 2020 and 2022 firsts. Besides that, PG13 made it clear that he wasn't going to re-sign with Indiana. Obviously, you'd rather have the elite player in PG13, but that wasn't an option for the Pacers

another way the question seems off is that OKC took a major risk trading for PG13 and it paid off hugely. Meanwhile, Olshey may be the most risk-averse GM in the league

I'd much rather have PG13, or Oladipo + Sabonis than CJ though, even with Dipo's injury.

You dont? You noted the very trade between these two teams. After the trade, who would you rather be?
You are right though. Payroll and long term outlook should be a factor to consider.
Better record when comparing east vs west doesnt go far. Who do you think has more of a chance of winning it all this year? (given both are somewhat slim). i give the edge to okc. Pretty clearly.

 

[TBpup]

Think it's funny that you wanna hang a loss on the only guy who actually kept us in the game.

Where does it say that anywhere? In fact, did you read the entire post? It is very complimentary of the Blazers, their effort and the comeback.

Big reach.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Where does it say that anywhere? In fact, did you read the entire post? It is very complimentary of the Blazers, their effort and the comeback.

Big reach.

Mhe is speakign of cj. It the blazers. You jsd a post calling out several end of game, bone head type instances that clild have been the reason for rhe loss, or not making the bonehead playa could have got us a win.
I agreed with several btw.

The end result for me is games have ebs and flows. But at the end of the game its situational aNd stotts not subbing during free throws was a major fail.
The switch on Leonard was another.

 

[wizenheimer]

Better record when comparing east vs west doesnt go far. Who do you think has more of a chance of winning it all this year? (given both are somewhat slim). i give the edge to okc. Pretty clearly.

sure, with Oladipo out for the season, OKC has a clear advantage

but with Oladipo, Indiana was on a pace for 60 wins. Even in the east that's impressive. In the last 5 years, the 60 win mark has only been hit 8 times, and 7 of those times it was either Golden State or San Antonio

in the last 10 years, no team has won the title without winning at least 57 games (or the equal in the lockout), and 6 times the winner has topped the 60 win mark

 

[BonesJones]

Here's a perspective for you....

Just maybe, not everyone is out to get you.
Maybe these 'random people' represent the general concensus of the forum. They are inicent bistandards who are trying to give honest feedback of where the 'discussion' went off the rails.

When more than 2-3 people indicate that you're taking it too far, maybe a little self-introspection is in order and its time to tone it down....

I appreciate your contributions and knowledge that you share. I agree with you on many topics, but far too often the conversation devolves into proving that 'I'm right & your wrong'

Bruhhhh where did this conversation go this way? This all started over "HS is different than the NBA" to which is said was a dumb thing to tell me because duh, its obvious. All I did. Could I have been nicer in regards to what I felt like was a smartass thing to say to me? Yes. But not a big deal. Then KJ comes in and starts mocking me and talking shit, as usual.

He said he did it because I called someone stupid and calling someone dumb for disagreeing with me. He also said JDC said that to me in "defense", even though I was responding to and not even disagreeing with someone else. All of those reasons were inequivicolly false but he made up his own reasons to start shit with me and ran with it. To which I defended myself against, but group mentality takes over. Haters who talk shit or get fed up never try to understand my perspective at all. KJ is NOT an innocent bystander and is NOT trying to give me feedback. He made things 10 times worse in a conversation that didnt even involve him and was basically at a resolution. But the same group of haters will continue to blame me for it. That's fine. Whatever.

 

[crandc]

Oh, for fuck's sake. Any time two good teams play one of them will lose. There are no perfect games. Win or lose, every player, coach, and ref makes mistakes. Do none of you ever make a mistake at work? There is also plain luck; the trajectory of a ball off the rim semds it to a player on one team and not the other. In a one possession game everything is magnified, and I realize it's disappointing to be on the wrong end of a close game, but enough is enough. Must we have this endless scapegoating every time? Hate the expression"get a life" but some people here need to take up knitting, go for a walk, bake a cake, have more sex, something. Please.

 

[kjironman1]

Oh, for fuck's sake. Any time two good teams play one of them will lose. There are no perfect games. Win or lose, every player, coach, and ref makes mistakes. Do none of you ever make a mistake at work? There is also plain luck; the trajectory of a ball off the rim semds it to a player on one team and not the other. In a one possession game everything is magnified, and I realize it's disappointing to be on the wrong end of a close game, but enough is enough. Must we have this endless scapegoating every time? Hate the expression"get a life" but some people here need to take up knitting, go for a walk, bake a cake, have more sex, something. Please.

Ha Ha Ha! I love this!

 

[Orion Bailey]

Oh, for fuck's sake. Any time two good teams play one of them will lose. There are no perfect games. Win or lose, every player, coach, and ref makes mistakes. Do none of you ever make a mistake at work? There is also plain luck; the trajectory of a ball off the rim semds it to a player on one team and not the other. In a one possession game everything is magnified, and I realize it's disappointing to be on the wrong end of a close game, but enough is enough. Must we have this endless scapegoating every time? Hate the expression"get a life" but some people here need to take up knitting, go for a walk, bake a cake, have more sex, something. Please.

Can i do all if the above?

A sexy cakewalk in knitted clothing sounds like an awesome Sunday spent.