GAME THREAD: BLAZERS @ PISTONS - DECEMBER 9, 2014 - TUESDAY, 4:30 PM (PST), CSN

[RipCityBlazer]

Don't mess with RoLo

 

[magnifier661]

Don't mess with RoLo

Lmao!

 

[Strenuus]

Lmao

I do need to make an amendment... that was based on career. its still great. hahaha.

 

[Sinobas]

Franchise players always get their stats tweaked by one thing folks don't talk about. Shot clock shots. They always end up in the star's hands and they are usually low percentage shots. You look at the collective achievement of this team and the success is evident. If you dissect it you only get a limited bit of the puzzle.

That's not happening though. The guards put up more of those than anyone. Sometimes the Blazers come down, and right off the bat, everyone stands around, and the throw it in to LA and he throws up a shot from the elbow. He's taken more mid range jumpers than anyone in the league, and he makes about 40% of them. That is a terrible shot.

So don't try and blame his low % on that silly excuse. Next game, count how many times that happens.

 

[Sinobas]

Last year 17% of LA's shots came with 21 or more seconds on the shot clock, and he made 40% of those, the same % he hit overall on his mid/long range jump shot. Contrast that to a player who shot very efficiently last year. Matthews shot 14% of his shots with 21+ seconds, and he made 47%.

Or look at a very efficient stretch 4 like Dirk Nowitski, he was able to hit 53.5% of his jumpers and 49% with 21+ seconds on the shot clock. Chris Bosh also took 17% of his shots that late but hit 49% of them, and 50% of his jumpers overall.

It's quite simple, LaMarcus Aldridge is not a top tier offensive player, he's a inefficient volume shooter, the stats prove it any way you look at it.

 

[Strenuus]

Last year 17% of LA's shots came with 21 or more seconds on the shot clock, and he made 40% of those, the same % he hit overall on his mid/long range jump shot. Contrast that to a player who shot very efficiently last year. Matthews shot 14% of his shots with 21+ seconds, and he made 47%.

Or look at a very efficient stretch 4 like Dirk Nowitski, he was able to hit 53.5% of his jumpers and 49% with 21+ seconds on the shot clock. Chris Bosh also took 17% of his shots that late but hit 49% of them, and 50% of his jumpers overall.

It's quite simple, LaMarcus Aldridge is not a top tier offensive player, he's a inefficient volume shooter, the stats prove it any way you look at it.

where did you find those stats for the shot clock?

 

[Sinobas]

Look who is ranked 193rd. Just below offensive juggernaught Roy Hibbert.
http://www.sportingcharts.com/nba/stats/player-true-shooting-percent-leaders/2014/

And of course there's a bell curve here, where the best are low volume opportunist scorers, but the really efficient guys are up there in the 60% range. Curry, Matthews, Lillard, Paul, Davis, Cousins, Nowitski.

Take a look at the people in LA's range.

 

[Sinobas]

Also, sort this list by points. Among players the top 50 scorers in the NBA this year, only TWO have a worse TS% than LA. Kobe Bryant and Al Jefferson. So the argument that he shoots a lower percentage because he's leading scorer goes out the window two, because 48 of the 50 leading scorers are doing it better than him. And it's not as though he has to carry the load on a crappy team.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

where did you find those stats for the shot clock?

This year, 14% of his shots come with <5 seconds on the shot clock, and he only hits 20% on those.

http://www.82games.com/1415/14POR12.HTM

 

[magnifier661]

This year, 14% of his shots come with <5 seconds on the shot clock, and he only hits 20% on those.

http://www.82games.com/1415/14POR12.HTM

Are you talking in crunch time? Because that's when it's 20%.

 

[Strenuus]

Look who is ranked 193rd. Just below offensive juggernaught Roy Hibbert.
http://www.sportingcharts.com/nba/stats/player-true-shooting-percent-leaders/2014/

And of course there's a bell curve here, where the best are low volume opportunist scorers, but the really efficient guys are up there in the 60% range. Curry, Matthews, Lillard, Paul, Davis, Cousins, Nowitski.

Take a look at the people in LA's range.

Fair enough. You did your homework.

 

[magnifier661]

But shit, if we are going to talk about clutch numbers... Curry is considered a pretty damn good player right? And being a guard, you have way more opportunity to score from all sorts of areas.

http://www.82games.com/1415/14GSW1.HTM <--- Curry

http://www.82games.com/1415/14POR12.HTM <---- Aldridge

Aldridge has a higher eFG% of 100% with less than 10 seconds in a tight game. Curry has a eFG% of 64.3%

In fact, Aldridge shoots better, scores more and draws more fouls in crunch time than Curry

 

[magnifier661]

This idiocy about how Aldridge hurts this team is beyond retarded... He has the highest scoring positive over any of the players, best PER differential, Best per to usage. In fact, all you guys that say Lillard is clutch, which I agree... Well even Aldridge has been way more clutch than Lillard this season.

http://www.82games.com/1415/14POR2.HTM

Compare them apples!

 

[magnifier661]

Drops the mic... Walks off as the Aldridge haters have nothing else to say...

 

[BlazerBeav]

LaMarcus Aldridge has recorded 10+ rebounds for the ninth straight game, the longest such streak in the NBA this season.

Surely that can't be right - Kevin Love is in the NBA! Who is running this stat department?!

 

[RipCity71252]

Aldridge is definitely forcing up shots more this year than I'm used to him taking. But to say Aldridge has a "bad" offensive game has got to be one of the most idiotic statements I have ever read.

 

[THE HCP]

Just checking out the thread here on the late night......is this tool serious about LA? What a fucking joke this guy is. There's probably 27 or 28 teams in the NBA that would take LA as their starting PF. And he's comparing him to Duncan, arguably the BEST PF ever? Get this guy the fuck outta here.

 

[MarAzul]

Sigh!

Win another road game, and the prevalent talk is bitching about LA?!?!?

Damn people, enjoy seeing greatness bloom.

His character and skill are a joy for any basketball fan to see.

 

[riverman]

Sigh!

Win another road game, and the prevalent talk is bitching about LA?!?!?

Damn people, enjoy seeing greatness bloom.

His character and skill are a joy for any basketball fan to see.

It never ceases to baffle me either, I just don't get it.

 

[magnifier661]

It never ceases to baffle me either, I just don't get it.

People have been used to whining for the later part of 12 years, they just don't know what to do with success.

I could see it now if we win it all... No way player x deserves finals mvp. The team just isn't efficient with him on the court. Hes shooting a eFG of 47%! Nothing like AD, who's team didn't make the playoffs... AD should be the finals MVP!

 

[Strenuus]

Sigh!

Win another road game, and the prevalent talk is bitching about LA?!?!?

Damn people, enjoy seeing greatness bloom.

His character and skill are a joy for any basketball fan to see.

im not a fan of his fade away shots, but i mean damn... the dude is straight money... he's single handely won us 2-3 games already. the man may have his weaknesses, but the pros far outweigh them.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Yup, Aldridge is the leading scorer and leading rebounder on a team that is 17-4. If that's considered "hurting his team" I'll take it.

BNM

 

[Sinobas]

you know, it's funny... lma only shoots 16 fga.

duncan? 15. on less minutes.

You know what's funny? You obviously do not know how to read stats. LA averaged 20.6 last year and 19.3 so far this year. Duncan has never done that. Back when he took less shots, his FG% was much higher, which supports my point that he should be a bit more selective with his shots.

 

[Sinobas]

Yup, Aldridge is the leading scorer and leading rebounder on a team that is 17-4. If that's considered "hurting his team" I'll take it.

BNM

That is such a cop out though. He's the leading scorer, thus, it doesn't matter how many shots he misses. I guess if Portland won the game, his missed shots must be helping the team. You people....

 

[Sinobas]

Aldridge is definitely forcing up shots more this year than I'm used to him taking. But to say Aldridge has a "bad" offensive game has got to be one of the most idiotic statements I have ever read.

Then you don't have a grasp on what good offense is. 38% from the field is bad.

 

[Sinobas]

Just checking out the thread here on the late night......is this tool serious about LA? What a fucking joke this guy is. There's probably 27 or 28 teams in the NBA that would take LA as their starting PF. And he's comparing him to Duncan, arguably the BEST PF ever? Get this guy the fuck outta here.

Why don't you read my comments to LA and Mike Rice.

 

[Sinobas]

So far, none of you have refuted anything I said with any kind of logic or reasoning.

 

[Boise Blazer]

So far, none of you have refuted anything I said with any kind of logic or reasoning.

So if we are winning and you aren't happy with LMA's play then logic tells me you must feel that LMA's inefficient shooting will eventually hurt us and cause us to lose more? Because in the end winning is what matters. Am I understanding you right? I'm trying to see the logic in your arguments.

 

[Sinobas]

So if we are winning and you aren't happy with LMA's play then logic tells me you must feel that LMA's inefficient shooting will eventually hurt us and cause us to lose more? Because in the end winning is what matters. Am I understanding you right? I'm trying to see the logic in your arguments.

I want the team to win, and don't care about an individual player accumulating a lot of points. For example, how would you guys feel if we had Kobe Bryant on our team instead of LA, and he was putting up 20 shots a game, leading us in scoring, yet was one of the least efficient in the league at it? Wouldn't you want to see him cut back on his shots?

 

[Boise Blazer]

I want the team to win, and don't care about an individual player accumulating a lot of points. For example, how would you guys feel if we had Kobe Bryant on our team instead of LA, and he was putting up 20 shots a game, leading us in scoring, yet was one of the least efficient in the league at it? Wouldn't you want to see him cut back on his shots?

I get that you want them to win but you kind of didn't answer my question, do you think they will lose if they continue going to LMA as they have been and him taking the shots that he has been?