Gortat + Frye + Hickson + Maynor = Bench is complete!

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Suggesting we should trade for Frye makes me question if you actualy saw the Blazers play when he was here, he was by far my least favorite player on that team and one of the worst players we ever had as part of our rotation. I honestly wouldn't trade Luke Babbitt for him, he was almost Nolan-Smith bad.
There should be many minimum-salary free-agents who are much better than Frye. Actualy, I don't know many players in the league who are worse.
 
Blazer4ever said:
Suggesting we should trade for Frye makes me question if you actualy saw the Blazers play when he was here, he was by far my least favorite player on that team and one of the worst players we ever had as part of our rotation. I honestly wouldn't trade Luke Babbitt for him, he was almost Nolan-Smith bad.
There should be many minimum-salary free-agents who are much better than Frye. Actualy, I don't know many players in the league who are worse.
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Frye is the cost of doing business man. Basically he counts for zero value. We are discussing getting gortat. And like I said before; we were going to agree to give a pek max? With this scenario; gortat would equal 11 mil; with excluding freeland and the addition of free.
 
magnifier661 said:
Freeland's contract works with Frye. So if Frye doesn't play, our hedge is freeland's contract.
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Frye makes over 7 million dollars more over the next two years than Freeland. What kind of hedge is that? At least if we have Freeland here, he could maybe play for us.
 
magnifier661 said:
Frye is the cost of doing business man. Basically he counts for zero value. We are discussing getting gortat. And like I said before; we were going to agree to give a pek max? With this scenario; gortat would equal 11 mil; with excluding freeland and the addition of free.
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He counts a lot more than zero value. He's owed 14 million dollars the nextt two seasons. I'm happy to take a healthy Frye, he'd be a great addition. But you have one guaranteed year of Gortat, and then a 30 year old looking for a big deal.
 
RR7 said:
He counts a lot more than zero value. He's owed 14 million dollars the nextt two seasons. I'm happy to take a healthy Frye, he'd be a great addition. But you have one guaranteed year of Gortat, and then a 30 year old looking for a big deal.
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Okay I will explain again. Frye = 14 million, gortat = 10 million. Total 24 Million. Barton = 2 million, freeland = 7.5 million. Total =9.5 million.

Subtract 24 million with 9.5 million = 14.5 million. So gortat is a 7.5 mil center for the next two seasons; if frye turns out to be zero return.
 
He's a 14 million dollar center for one season. We don't get him for two.
 
There are other options at center. Sean James for example, the NCAA's all time leader in BPG is doing a very good job for Maccabi Tel Aviv in the Euroleague. Festus Ezeli barely plays for GS since Bogut's return from injury, he's a Joel Pryzbilla type center that would be a great addition.
I don't know much about Gortat or what it would take to get him but Frye is one player I don't ever wanna see playing for us again, he's worse than worthless.
 
blazerboy30 said:
What is the deal around here with creating strategies to fill the bench? It is a waste of time.

Go after the highest quality / best players you can get with the money. If you get better players than the starters we currently have, our current starters get pushed to the bench and our bench improves.

To build a contender, you have to increase your top-level talent. Increasing top-level talent automatically pushes your current talent to the bench. Going after current bench players with the assumption they will be on our bench does not increase top-level talent and gets you nowhere but more first-round exits.
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not saying I disagree with you. Just wondering who your idea of (Attainable) top level talent involves.
 
Harry's Raincoat said:
UFA:
Bynum
Dalembert
Jefferson
Kaman
Okafor
Pachulia

RFA:
Pekovic
Splitter
Mozgov
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Bynum is out with the whole Oden situation. A lot of the others seem like stop-gaps (which we might have to settle for) or not better than the previous suggestion of Gortat. Overall the Center position this off-season seems really Meh.. Hopefully we go the lopsided (financially) trade route.
 
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Harry's Raincoat said:
UFA:
Bynum
Dalembert
Jefferson
Kaman
Okafor
Pachulia

RFA:
Pekovic
Splitter
Mozgov
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I've become more and more intrigued by Mozgov as someone who can give us 25 minutes a night, and not be overpaid. I think he could end up a really good fit for us. Still leaves plenty of time for Leonard's development, and likely to be cheap enough that, were Leonard to show tremendous growth, would still be a great backup, and not overpaid.
 
That would be an awesome scenario! But we wouldn't need French Frye.
 
blazerboy30 said:
What is the deal around here with creating strategies to fill the bench? It is a waste of time.

Go after the highest quality / best players you can get with the money. If you get better players than the starters we currently have, our current starters get pushed to the bench and our bench improves.

To build a contender, you have to increase your top-level talent. Increasing top-level talent automatically pushes your current talent to the bench. Going after current bench players with the assumption they will be on our bench does not increase top-level talent and gets you nowhere but more first-round exits.
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Listen to Blazerboy30 people
 
Nikolokolus said:
Listen to Blazerboy30 people
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I agree with Blazerboy30 also but I see Gortat as close to a top-level talent. The top-top level is probably off-limits to POR so close to top-level becomes their max and a player like Gortat would definitely improve the team.
 
Nikolokolus said:
Listen to Blazerboy30 people
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As much as I agree with him; how do you suppose a small market team can obtain talent like that? I doubt it happens via "free agency".

I see it being through the draft; usually with a lotto pick or by trades with a team that has their superstar disgruntled.

If there is a disgruntled star; then teams that have chances have a stock pile of decent cheap talent to exchange for a top level talent.

So in other words "stockpiling" role players with good contracts is the best assets to have; just in case a team has a superstar that is chasing a ring. Also you gotta prove you can make the playoffs and make it past the first round.

This team; with its current starters have a good shot at meeting all the criteria. They are still in the playoff hunt with a shitty bench. If we had maynor all season; we could have had 4-5 extra wins; which actually puts us 7th. If we had a couple other significant players; we maybe in the top 4.
 
Well ya know I do think that if the Blazers want to have a seriously competitive team for the championship again Paul is going to have to be willing to shell out the big bucks like he did in 2000. In other wards being in a small market the Blazers are probably going to need another super team.
 
Add someone like Mayo, Kevin Martin or Tyreke Evens to that as well or draft Glenn Robinson III and put Batum at SG.
 
Nikolokolus said:
Listen to Blazerboy30 people
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In a topic about acquiring Gortat, and retaining pieces, he stressed not going after bench pieces. What's there to listen to? He's expressing something not entirely relevant to the thread at hand.
 
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