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SlyPokerCat said:
But they aren't close to Lamarcus at all.
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They aren't close to the offensive weapons that LA was but they are more effective defenders and from what I've seen better competitors than LA was. So yeah, as far as being scoring weapons, these two aren't close individually but both are guys that can get you 20 every night if you get them the touches and both guys are really good defenders in different ways.
 
Natebishop3 said:
There’s reality and there’s dreamland.

We are facing down the barrel of our two best players being short scoring guards who don’t play defense.

Gee….. where have I seen that before. Yes, OG and Grant would be upgrades over what we have had in the past, but the design is flawed at the foundation. It’s the same damn thing we have sat through for the past six years. We have watched it over and over and over.

Adding OG and Grant will make us just good enough to make the playoffs and maybe make the second round, but not good enough to contend. Sorry I’m not interested in that.

We need a legit second star. If not the draft, how do you propose we get that before Dames prime is over?
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So your concern is Ant starting?

I hope we don't start him. I hope we put Hart next to Dame.
I am not seeing the current guard situation as the same as the old though. We never had a defender like Hart. No dogs on the court. Now we have a few to throw out there.
I suppose I am just not seeing the same NO replication you are seeing. I am not sure many people are seeing this as a recycling of old.
I don't see how drafting a player brings any more potential of getting a second star over Ant, Nas and OG’s potential to be a star. And OG comes with nba experience. Instant starter. We cant say that with anyone at the 7 we draft.
So im not sure the premise of the question is even valid regarding Dame’s Prime.
Also. These are first year moves. You say good enough to make the playoffs and maybe second round but does that mean the roster stays that way for five years? Tweaks at the deadline and next year. To think we cant continue to improve and tweak to be a contender is not realistic. It seems you are wanting an instant contender next year and that's the dreamland scenario that is not realistic to me.
 
BlazerBender said:
So your concern is Ant starting?

I hope we don't start him. I hope we put Hart next to Dame.
I am not seeing the current guard situation as the same as the old though. We never had a defender like Hart. No dogs on the court. Now we have a few to throw out there.
I suppose I am just not seeing the same NO replication you are seeing. I am not sure many people are seeing this as a recycling of old.
I don't see how drafting a player brings any more potential of getting a second star over Ant, Nas and OG’s potential to be a star. And OG comes with nba experience. Instant starter. We cant say that with anyone at the 7 we draft.
So im not sure the premise of the question is even valid regarding Dame’s Prime.
Also. These are first year moves. You say good enough to make the playoffs and maybe second round but does that mean the roster stays that way for five years? Tweaks at the deadline and next year. To think we cant continue to improve and tweak to be a contender is not realistic. It seems you are wanting an instant contender next year and that's the dreamland scenario that is not realistic to me.
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Let's just say I like

Dame
Hart or Simons
Grant
OG
Nurkic

Better than

Dame
CJ
Powell
Covington
Nurkic
 
BLAZINGGIANTS said:
Some people actually work..... so if you're bragging about mere seconds, you missed mentioning his better-known uncle:

Jerami's uncle is 4-time NBA Champion, former teammate of one Michael Jordan, Horace Grant (who has far more accolades than Jerami's father, Harvey, whom the Blazers acquired for Kevin "what's a duck worth", Duckworth).

#FAMS
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50 hours a week here sir!

Horace never played for the Blazers so your facts are irrelevant!
 
blazerkor said:
They aren't close to the offensive weapons that LA was but they are more effective defenders and from what I've seen better competitors than LA was. So yeah, as far as being scoring weapons, these two aren't close individually but both are guys that can get you 20 every night if you get them the touches and both guys are really good defenders in different ways.
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We shall see.
 
People underestimate the jump we could see with both Simons and Nas. Our best chance at being a championship team is from some guy on this roster making big jump so surrounding him them with defenders and 3 point shooters is crucial. Defense wins championships
 
BlazerBender said:
So your concern is Ant starting?

I hope we don't start him. I hope we put Hart next to Dame.
I am not seeing the current guard situation as the same as the old though. We never had a defender like Hart. No dogs on the court. Now we have a few to throw out there.
I suppose I am just not seeing the same NO replication you are seeing. I am not sure many people are seeing this as a recycling of old.
I don't see how drafting a player brings any more potential of getting a second star over Ant, Nas and OG’s potential to be a star. And OG comes with nba experience. Instant starter. We cant say that with anyone at the 7 we draft.
So im not sure the premise of the question is even valid regarding Dame’s Prime.
Also. These are first year moves. You say good enough to make the playoffs and maybe second round but does that mean the roster stays that way for five years? Tweaks at the deadline and next year. To think we cant continue to improve and tweak to be a contender is not realistic. It seems you are wanting an instant contender next year and that's the dreamland scenario that is not realistic to me.
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Let’s say we draft Sharpe, and the scouts are right and he’s Anthony Edwards with a jump shot. He could be a bonafide superstar in 3-4 years. Dame is only 35-36 at this point. How else are you going to acquire someone that talented?

We kept the pick 10 years ago and took Dame. He was instantly the second best player on our team.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I wonder if the people who want us to trade the pick were against keeping the pick in 2012 and wanted to trade the sixth pick for a veteran.

That was a veteran team. Did they need a rookie?
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I was crazy about Dame at the time and wanted us to trade up with our second pick to get Drummond. That was my thing that year. When I look at the opportunity to acquire the player that that other thread is about, it makes me more excited than an unknown wing that may or may not pan out. None of the guys we're looking at drafting at 7 have popped like Dame did in his interviews and if you remember he had a series of youtube videos that showed what set him apart from any other player in that draft. None of these guys are showing me what Dame did. I think Shaedon has the potential to be a league MVP and he also has bust potential... all of the guys are potential busts unless Keegan were to fall to us and I think he doesn't have the upside that OG still has.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Let’s say we draft Sharpe, and the scouts are right and he’s Anthony Edwards with a jump shot. He could be a bonafide superstar in 3-4 years. Dame is only 35-36 at this point. How else are you going to acquire someone that talented?

We kept the pick 10 years ago and took Dame. He was instantly the second best player on our team.
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I would be happy with just taking Sharpe
 
Natebishop3 said:
Let’s say we draft Sharpe, and the scouts are right and he’s Anthony Edwards with a jump shot. He could be a bonafide superstar in 3-4 years. Dame is only 35-36 at this point. How else are you going to acquire someone that talented?

We kept the pick 10 years ago and took Dame. He was instantly the second best player on our team.
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There is no player in this draft who will be a Dame caliber player.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Let’s say we draft Sharpe, and the scouts are right and he’s Anthony Edwards with a jump shot. He could be a bonafide superstar in 3-4 years. Dame is only 35-36 at this point. How else are you going to acquire someone that talented?

We kept the pick 10 years ago and took Dame. He was instantly the second best player on our team.
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Dame was a four year collegiate player.
I was assuming you were thinking this pick would be instant Dame.
A miriad of things can potentially happen between now and four years now. To say there is no other way to be contenders in four years other than having this pick pop and be Dame2.0 doesn't make sense to me. There can be many many things that can happen. Disgruntled stars for cheap. What if Butler is available next year?
Sooo many intangibles i cant accept the premise of the question. Thus, I cant find anything maddening. All teams are roller coasters and all teams have ups and downs over the years.
I understand and have the same passion to win as you. I just refuse to let not winning it all make me perpetually annoyed with the team.
 
Chris Craig said:
Let's just say I like

Dame
Hart or Simons
Grant
OG
Nurkic

Better than

Dame
CJ
Powell
Covington
Nurkic
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Let's just say I like

Dame
Simons
Grant
OG
Nurk

Better than

Dame
CJ
Moe
Chief
Nurk

I like the bench we would have better than those teams too.

I like the rotation we'll be looking at if we acquire OG for Bledsoe and 7 better than any rotation we've had since Dame has been here because of the iteration of Dame I expect to get this upcoming season as opposed to what he was and the lack of cohesion we had when LaMarcus was here.
 
I think it's safe to say, even if they don't trade for OG, the Blazers (assuming they re-sign Simons and Nurk) are a better team than the 2020-21 team, and with OG would be a better team than the team that went to the conference finals.

And probably would have their best starting 5 in 7 years.
 
blazerkor said:
Let's just say I like

Dame
Simons
Grant
OG
Nurk

Better than

Dame
CJ
Moe
Chief
Nurk

I like the bench we would have better than those teams too.

I like the rotation we'll be looking at if we acquire OG for Bledsoe and 7 better than any rotation we've had since Dame has been here because of the iteration of Dame I expect to get this upcoming season as opposed to what he was and the lack of cohesion we had when LaMarcus was here.
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And that team won 50 plus games and made the conference finals.
 
julius said:
I think it's safe to say, even if they don't trade for OG, the Blazers (assuming they re-sign Simons and Nurk) are a better team than the 2020-21 team, and with OG would be a better team than the team that went to the conference finals.

And probably would have their best starting 5 in 7 years.
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I find it perplexing that some cant find a positive light in this and are annoyed, unhappy or being driven insane by those of us who see this as improved beyond what we have had with Dame in the past.
 
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