Harden trade?

[calvin natt]

What if we were the third team in the Nets trade. The Nets get Harden, we get LeVert, Allen, Dinwiddie and Prince, and Houston gets CJ, Gary, Nurk and picks from Brooklyn. Would you guys like that for us? Would that be a deal that would interest Houston a lot more than what Brooklyn was already offering?

I think we would have to cut Melo or if Houston wanted him in the trade send him on over too. We would have a rotation of:

Dame, LaVert, DJJ, RoCo, Allen, Dinwiddie, Hoodie, Prince, Zach or Giles and Kanter.

I think we would be much much better defensively and more cohesive offensively. The complaint about needing another guy who can get his own shot would be nullified by LaVert, who can break defenders off with his handle, pull up, get to the hoop and is a fantastic passer.

Nope

 

[blazerkor]

not including nurk in there

I love Nurk and that is painful but I think Allen is special too. The length and athleticism this trade gives our defense without losing too much on offense is what I think is appealing about it. I also don't think Houston does it without two players like CJ and Nurk. We can't include CJ and Nurk to get Harden ourselves because we would have a gaping whole at the 5 that this trade covers.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

I love Nurk and that is painful but I think Allen is special too. The length and athleticism this trade gives our defense without losing too much on offense is what I think is appealing about it. I also don't think Houston does it without two players like CJ and Nurk. We can't include CJ and Nurk to get Harden ourselves because we would have a gaping whole at the 5 that this trade covers.

Let Allen go to Houston, and let us keep Nurk. Then we're talking.

 

[blazerkor]

Let Allen go to Houston, and let us keep Nurk. Then we're talking.

Then send Hoodie and some draft considerations to make value and salaries work... that might get it done without losing Nurk but that trade couldn't take place until February 18th.

 

[ehizzy3]

He would hate playing for portland. Has to be at the bottom of his list with Memphis and Charlotte

a plane from Portland to Vegas is shorter than Houston to Vegas. Lol don’t quote me on that tho


I would do it. Harden is a once in a generation player, durable, and has improved his defense a little bit. He’s better than CJ at defense


If we could get him without giving up Nurk or Gary I would do it. But that’s probably impossible

that three way deal no dice

 

[blazerkor]

On a separate note Houston is fucking crazy...



If you can get Simmons you take it. I guess unless it's Philly that's asking for extra compensation coming back.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Then send Hoodie and some draft considerations to make value and salaries work... that might get it done without losing Nurk but that trade couldn't take place until February 18th.

Keep Trent here too and send Dinwiddie to Houston as well. I just want CJ out and Levert in.

 

[blazerkor]

Keep Trent here too and send Dinwiddie to Houston as well. I just want CJ out and Levert in.

There is this thing called the salary cap that you guys seem to keep forgetting about. Also I don't think Dinwiddie has close to the value that Trent would for Houston. Basically what you guys are saying is that we give up way too much for what we're getting back which is cool, it's why I floated the idea and asked if that would work for us.

 

[tester551]

What if we were the third team in the Nets trade. The Nets get Harden, we get LeVert, Allen, Dinwiddie and Prince, and Houston gets CJ, Gary, Nurk and picks from Brooklyn. Would you guys like that for us? Would that be a deal that would interest Houston a lot more than what Brooklyn was already offering?

Houston would prefer the Net's package in that trade.

 

[blazerkor]

Houston would prefer the Net's package in that trade.

OK, then they definitely wouldn't do it because they have already said that they don't like the players the Nets are offering. I think CJ is higher profile than anyone the Nets are offering and definitely a better scorer, I think that Nurk is more appealing than probably any single player the Nets are offering and Gary is a kicker but that is why I asked if Houston would be interested. You obviously don't think so.

 

[ehizzy3]

Keep Trent here too and send Dinwiddie to Houston as well. I just want CJ out and Levert in.

That seems like a lateral move at best imo

 

[blazerkor]

That seems like a lateral move at best

CJ for LaVert is a very slight downgrade for us in what they bring to the table today considering CJ's insane offensive abilities but LaVert is the better fit, he can create his own offense and defend very well. The other thing to consider is the fact that Caris LaVert is 26 and CJ is 29.

 

[RR7]

CJ for LaVert is a very slight downgrade for us in what they bring to the table today considering CJ's insane offensive abilities but LaVert is the better fit, he can create his own offense and defend very well. The other thing to consider is the fact that Caris LaVert is 26 and CJ is 29.

Is it strictly his height that makes him a better fit? He can't shoot, so that makes him a worse fit, IMO. And his defense isn't really good at all, let alone defending very well. So you have another not stud defender who shoots worse than CJ. How does that make him a better fit?

 

[PtldPlatypus]

There is this thing called the salary cap that you guys seem to keep forgetting about.

The condescension here is surprising, especially since what I suggested (removing Nurk and Trent from your initial proposal, and sending Dinwiddie and Allen to Houston) works perfectly under the cap with Houston sending one more bit player to Brooklyn (like McLemore).

Also I don't think Dinwiddie has close to the value that Trent would for Houston. Basically what you guys are saying is that we give up way too much for what we're getting back which is cool, it's why I floated the idea and asked if that would work for us.

I would think that CJ and Allen (plus a pick or two) would be pretty decent value for Harden, but it's cool if you disagree.

 

[ehizzy3]

Imo harden will get traded to a surprise team that the media isn’t reporting. My guess is Toronto

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Imo harden will get traded to a surprise team that the media isn’t reporting. My guess is Toronto

I can't see the Raptors giving up Siakam, and I can't see the Rockets being interested in Lowry.

 

[ehizzy3]

I can't see the Raptors giving up Siakam, and I can't see the Rockets being interested in Lowry.

siakam had a really bad time in the bubble.

But I don’t think the rockets would want him after getting wood. I should’ve thought it through a little more. Maybe a three team deal but yeah lol

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Nurk chimed in for ....some reason

 

[BigGameDamian]

Nurk chimed in for ....some reason

Maybe Nurkic wants Neil to get on the phone!

 

[blazerkor]

Is it strictly his height that makes him a better fit? He can't shoot, so that makes him a worse fit, IMO. And his defense isn't really good at all, let alone defending very well. So you have another not stud defender who shoots worse than CJ. How does that make him a better fit?

He shot 36% from three last season (better than RoCo), he's way more athletic, he is a more willing passer and he is a really good defender, I don't know if you're just going off of stats when you say he's not but I've watched the guy a lot and he stays in front of his man, closes out really well, switches well, gets in passing lanes and creates transition points.

 

[blazerkor]

The condescension here is surprising, especially since what I suggested (removing Nurk and Trent from your initial proposal, and sending Dinwiddie and Allen to Houston) works perfectly under the cap with Houston sending one more bit player to Brooklyn (like McLemore).


I would think that CJ and Allen (plus a pick or two) would be pretty decent value for Harden, but it's cool if you disagree.

Sorry if it came off as snarky all that I saw was the post that said keep Trent here and send Dinwiddie there and in a separate earlier post that I didn't realize was also you another trade that didn't make sense keeping Nurk and sending Allen. They obviously work together, I should have put the two together, my bad.

 

[bobf]

Forget Choke Harden, let me introduce Chunk Harden...
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More surface area to draw fouls with.

 

[Lanny]

Fuck no

I think that sums it up.

 

[Lanny]

No one has to. They just threaten it or show up and sleep walk through games. Pretty much when a star player demands a trade, the request is granted.

See Jimmy Butler twice, Paul George twice, Chris Paul, Kyrie Irving, Kristaps Porzingis and the list goes on as you go back through time Vince Carter sat out games and played with little effort to get out of Toronto, Ray Allen forced the trade that sent him from Milwaukee to Seattle, Kobe did the opposite and had Shaq traded away, Stephon Marbury did it from Minny to Jersey at the height of his career, Garnett did it to get to Boston and he was the best Wolve of all time, Dennis Rodman forced the trade that got him on the Bulls, Charles Barkley forced the Sixers to trade him by turning down his effort and turning up his attitude. It goes back to Kareem and Wilt both doing it.

The players have the power. No one has ever had to sit out a whole season and one of the only all NBAers to not get traded when making a demand and sitting games was Hakeem in the early 90s. The fact is, you want the best player on your team to want to be there or you want the best compensation you can get in a trade for him. Disgruntled players not only poison teams but a team's reaction to a trade demand can seriously poison all players' perception of that franchise, which can cause huge problems in free agency. Smart owners and GMs understand this and when a player demands a trade they move him as quick as possible so they get the most in return before opposing GMs feel they have the upper hand.

I would say it's more than pretty much.

 

[e_blazer]

The only suitable punishment for Harden's behavior in his trade demands is to trade him to the Nets like he wants. I can't imagine anything more entertaining than to watch KD, Kyrie, and Harden all wrestle each other for possession of the ball. Nothing like a watching a massive implosion, with the NYC press corps waiting to eviscerate these massive egos after it happens.

 

[wizenheimer]

The only suitable punishment for Harden's behavior in his trade demands is to trade him to the Nets like he wants. I can't imagine anything more entertaining than to watch KD, Kyrie, and Harden all wrestle each other for possession of the ball. Nothing like a watching a massive implosion, with the NYC press corps waiting to eviscerate these massive egos after it happens.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

I just hope Denver doesn’t land him.

Offensively he and Joker would be unstoppable.

 

[riverman]

I think it'll be Philly or the Nets but a 3 team deal to clear space or add youth and picks to Houston...

 

[blazerkor]

I think it'll be Philly or the Nets but a 3 team deal to clear space or add youth and picks to Houston...

Yeah, I think it might be the Nets in a three team but I don't know what the fuck Rafael Stone is thinking. He reportedly turned down Simmons... I mean seriously if you have the draft assets the Rockets recently acquired and a guy like Wood to pair with Simmons long term, why wouldn't you do what it took to make that trade work.

From what I read Stone wanted more than just Simmons and filler but reporters get these rumors wrong all of the time. If the Sixers wanted Harden and picks maybe I can see the Rockets balking at that but if I'm the Rockets I would throw in lets say our conditional first rounder they just acquired to bring on board everything Simmons would bring.

Wall, House, Simmons, Tucker, Wood, Gordon, Cousins, McLemore, Brown is a pretty solid rotation. Those are a lot of shooters to surround a guy that brings everything but shooting.

 

[tester551]

Yeah, I think it might be the Nets in a three team but I don't know what the fuck Rafael Stone is thinking. He reportedly turned down Simmons... I mean seriously if you have the draft assets the Rockets recently acquired and a guy like Wood to pair with Simmons long term, why wouldn't you do what it took to make that trade work.

From what I read Stone wanted more than just Simmons and filler but reporters get these rumors wrong all of the time. If the Sixers wanted Harden and picks maybe I can see the Rockets balking at that but if I'm the Rockets I would throw in lets say our conditional first rounder they just acquired to bring on board everything Simmons would bring. Wall, House, Simmons, Tucker, Wood, Gordon, Cousins, McLemore, Brown is a pretty solid rotation. Those are a lot of shooters to surround a guy that brings everything but shooting.

Agree. If Houston were to be able to make that swap, I'd be watching the Rockets a ton. They'd be a fun team.
I can't watch Harden... I HATE his game.