Haynes full of shit (no Nic 4 years, 46.5 Million) (confirmed) (1 Viewer)

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maxiep said:
I would be in favor of either bringing in some people on a year contract that can bring us up to the minimum salary or pay the penalty and keep the cap space.

Even if everything pans out, we're trapping ourselves in the 35-42 win group--not bad enough to get a great draft pick and not good enough to make it to the second round. It's NBA Purgatory.
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I agree with you Maxie, I like Batum but I am very skeptical that he will be able to improve his play to an all star caliber level to justify that contract....
 
maxiep said:
I would be in favor of either bringing in some people on a year contract that can bring us up to the minimum salary or pay the penalty and keep the cap space.

Even if everything pans out, we're trapping ourselves in the 35-42 win group--not bad enough to get a great draft pick and not good enough to make it to the second round. It's NBA Purgatory.
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I disagree with your 35-42 win grouping, but I think both of us would have to admit that could vary greatly depending upon how the young guys do or do not develop.
 
drexlersdad said:
"boo, we cant keep him on his rookie scale forever!"

thems the breaks, the blazers took advantage wildly through his rookie deal, and now that he is getting paid what he should be, people want to dump him? and what, hope to draft another nic next year?

yes, everyone wishes they could pay players/workers less than they are worth, and wouldnt that be grand
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With no cap, I wouldn't mind giving every player the max. Hell, it's not really my money (although my season tickets go to pay some salary). However, there's a financial strategy that's a component of the NBA. Overpaying means that you're willingly giving up some assets at your disposal.
 
Blaze01 said:
Yeah, everything I have read from MIN writers etc, state that Derrick Williams was not offered, and under those circumstances I can undersatnd why POR told them to forget it...
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Derrick Williams thinks he was offered, and that came from his agent.

But again, everyone could have the same source (Kahn), and he could be feeding everyone lies.
 
ironcrotch said:
Haynes just won't let it go. Officially unfollowed.

Haynes: Updated post: Minnesota F Derrick Williams talks w/CSNNW about almost being traded to #Blazers for Nicolas Batum | csnnw.com/pages/landingb…
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This article is what revived this thread (a couple of hours ago).
 
magnifier661 said:
I sure hope the Blazers wait until the very final minutes to match; then BAM MUTHER FUCKER! You have no chance on Batum!
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And then at the same time we have a team at Kahn's and Ndiaye's front porch, ready with some dogshit, a bag, and a lighter.

It will be just like the ending of Godfather.
 
hey max, lets just end this...how much do you think nic is worth, and by that, how much is he overpaid in your opinion
 
ironcrotch said:
Haynes just won't let it go. Officially unfollowed.

Haynes: Updated post: Minnesota F Derrick Williams talks w/CSNNW about almost being traded to #Blazers for Nicolas Batum | csnnw.com/pages/landingb…
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PFFT Who fuckin cares, I would rather have Nic anyway
 
BLAZINGGIANTS said:
Derrick Williams thinks he was offered, and that came from his agent.

But again, everyone could have the same source (Kahn), and he could be feeding everyone lies.
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Or his agent was just giving him a heads up and letting him know that his name had been discussed....and when that is happening, anything is possible (even if MIN mgmt is telling you there is no way they would trade you)

That is how I read that...I think Haynes might be inferring more into it than was really there
 
drexlersdad said:
hey max, lets just end this...how much do you think nic is worth, and by that, how much is he overpaid in your opinion
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Like I said, it's situational. If we were looking at locking up that final piece, I'd pay him that MIN contract, and do it happily. However, unless Lillard becomes an All-Star and we have another player become an almost All Star (Batum being the most likely candidate), then I we're going to be mediocre at best. In that scenario, I'd give him a five year deal (we can offer him that extra year) averaging around $8MM annually.
 
maxiep said:
Like I said, it's situational. If we were looking at locking up that final piece, I'd pay him that MIN contract, and do it happily. However, unless Lillard becomes an All-Star and we have another player become an almost All Star (Batum being the most likely candidate), then I we're going to be mediocre at best. In that scenario, I'd give him a five year deal (we can offer him that extra year) averaging around $8MM annually.
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so in this scenario, you would pay him what?
 
It's really hard to argue Nic shouldn't get at least $10M per based on other players and their contracts

Just the way it is
 
ahh reading fail, my bad

so you think he overpaid by maybe 3 million a year? and is this based on his past production, his estimated future production, or your hatred for the free market?
 
RoyToy said:
It's really hard to argue Nic shouldn't get at least $10M per based on other players and their contracts

Just the way it is
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and PER

and winshares

and the fact that the blazers will have locked up his early prime, when he is still likely to improve

its a fair deal

people dont want fair deals though, they want clear wins, and want to pay people drastically below their market value apparently
 
Mediocre Man said:
Of course we don't, but realistically, if the draft picks pan out to even close to what is expected, one could figure

Lillard
Aldridge
Batum
Leonard
2013 lottery pick
would be the core, with all other pieces movable here and there. That's what most good teams do anyway?
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Nice lineup. 2013 Lottery Pick is my new favorite Blazer. I love that guy! ;)
 
Nic is going to get paid exactly what he should get paid.

It's not a matter of he should get x dollars, there's a process for RFAs. Go out and sign a contract and you'll get paid that amount by either the offering team or the matching team. This process is sometimes hard on teams, but usually I think it's harder on players. Very few players get offer sheets. Nic did, good for him. It's understood that offer sheets are always more than a player is "worth", otherwise there would be no incentive to not match.
 
Wizard Mentor said:
Nic is going to get paid exactly what he should get paid.

It's not a matter of he should get x dollars, there's a process for RFAs. Go out and sign a contract and you'll get paid that amount by either the offering team or the matching team. This process is sometimes hard on teams, but usually I think it's harder on players. Very few players get offer sheets. Nic did, good for him. It's understood that offer sheets are always more than a player is "worth", otherwise there would be no incentive to not match.
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I don't blame Nic at all... but it's not a defense that the Blazers should do something just because other teams do. Most teams don't win championships or even make it past the first round of the playoffs each year. Most teams fire their coaches and GMs pretty frequently.

To all of those arguing that Nic's contract is fair and/or a good deal for the Blazers: would you say the same thing if it were a max contract?

Ed O.
 
RoyToy said:
It's really hard to argue Nic shouldn't get at least $10M per based on other players and their contracts

Just the way it is
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In my view, Batum's contract isn't set by the market as a whole. It would be easier to swallow if a lot of good, smart teams were pursuing him.

Instead his value is being set by one of the worst franchises in NBA history with an awful GM.
 
BLAZINGGIANTS said:
Derrick Williams thinks he was offered, and that came from his agent.

But again, everyone could have the same source (Kahn), and he could be feeding everyone lies.
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All he or his agent knows is it was being discussed. Nothing more.
 
BBert said:
Nice lineup. 2013 Lottery Pick is my new favorite Blazer. I love that guy! ;)
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prod
 
BBert said:
All he or his agent knows is it was being discussed. Nothing more.
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Your pizza delivery guy tell you this? This is all we really know. So I don't really think you can say for certain.

And I am one of Haynes' biggest haters. When he was tearing it up at draft time, I said he sucked and caught a lot of flack for it. I just don't think any of us has any sort of clue on this.
 
drexlersdad said:
and PER

and winshares

and the fact that the blazers will have locked up his early prime, when he is still likely to improve

its a fair deal

people dont want fair deals though, they want clear wins, and want to pay people drastically below their market value apparently
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Also who the hell would replace him at sf? Opportunity cost works both ways.
 
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