Haynes full of shit (no Nic 4 years, 46.5 Million) (confirmed)

[Mediocre Man]

Your pizza delivery guy tell you this? This is all we really know. So I don't really think you can say for certain.

And I am one of Haynes' biggest haters. When he was tearing it up at draft time, I said he sucked and caught a lot of flack for it. I just don't think any of us has any sort of clue on this.

I am the only one that should be mocked for my delivery friends

 

[Wizard Mentor]

I don't blame Nic at all... but it's not a defense that the Blazers should do something just because other teams do. Most teams don't win championships or even make it past the first round of the playoffs each year. Most teams fire their coaches and GMs pretty frequently.

To all of those arguing that Nic's contract is fair and/or a good deal for the Blazers: would you say the same thing if it were a max contract?

Ed O.

My point is that it is fair, not necessarily a good deal. I also didn't say we should match, though I think in this case we should. I specifically mentioned that

It's understood that offer sheets are always more than a player is "worth", otherwise there would be no incentive to not match.

 

[drexlersdad]

To all of those arguing that Nic's contract is fair and/or a good deal for the Blazers: would you say the same thing if it were a max contract?

Ed O.

no i have estimated his worth to be between 10-12 million dollars,

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

I am the only one that should be mocked for my delivery friends

Nah. Anyone who presents something as fact when the facts aren't clear should be forced to back it up.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Nah. Anyone who presents something as fact when the facts aren't clear should be forced to back it up.

That has nothing to do with Pizza delivery drivers

 

[magnifier661]

So around 15th highest paid SF?

There are 5 other SFs clearly way over-paid on the SF list you provided before. Now that new deals are made in accordance to the new CBA; I suspect 9-10 mil will be a top 10 type salary for SFs. There are exceptions like the Melo and LJs playing the game. They are in that "Superstar pay" category. I think 12 mil per is a guaranteed all star caliber player. You think Batum will be able to be an all star?

 

[Mediocre Man]

There are 5 other SFs clearly way over-paid on the SF list you provided before. Now that new deals are made in accordance to the new CBA; I suspect 9-10 mil will be a top 10 type salary for SFs. There are exceptions like the Melo and LJs playing the game. They are in that "Superstar pay" category. I think 12 mil per is a guaranteed all star caliber player. You think Batum will be able to be an all star?

Boarderline

23 year old SF with his PER is tough to argue paying him 11ish

Gerald Wallace, who isn't the player Batum is, just got 9.5, and he is much older too

 

[LameR]

What's crazy is even 2-3 years ago, the current version of Nic would have gotten a maximum of 8 mill/year. Now it's a possibility he'll get 150% of that. Crazy CBA...

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

Boarderline

23 year old SF with his PER is tough to argue paying him 11ish

Gerald Wallace, who isn't the player Batum is, just got 9.5, and he is much older too

Didn't G-Dub sign for $40mil/4 years (so $10mil/year)? Not that it's a huge difference, but still....

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Only one more day of this BS.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Didn't G-Dub sign for $40mil/4 years (so $10mil/year)? Not that it's a huge difference, but still....

I was going by this coming years salary only, but ya. not a big difference

 

[Wizard Mentor]

What's crazy is even 2-3 years ago, the current version of Nic would have gotten a maximum of 8 mill/year. Now it's a possibility he'll get 150% of that. Crazy CBA...

Crazy Kahn. I'm sure Nic wouldn't have gotten that type of offer from anyone else even though many teams were interested. Kahn is looking to exact some sort of revenge, and it worked. He's hurt himself in the process, but it still hurt us, too.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

Didn't G-Dub sign for $40mil/4 years (so $10mil/year)? Not that it's a huge difference, but still....

What gets me is the quibbling over whether Nic is worth 9-10mil or 11mil. What's that 2 million a year going to get us? So maybe he's a little overpaid (to some)... big deal. That two million isn't getting us a needle mover.

Also, since it's Minny's offer we're matching, the raises are much smaller year-to-year than if we had made the offer; it's a blessing in disguise that he'll be making 11, 11.33, 11.66, 12.33 (ish) rather than the potential 10, 11, 12, 13.5 (ish). Consistency between years is nice. The trade kicker is a sonuvabitch, but he's not going anywhere, most likely.

EDIT: My math is worse than MM2.0's, so I apologize in advance if I have this HORRIBLY wrong. If it's a little wrong... ehn, whatever.

 

[RoyToy]

I don't think it really hurt the Blazers that much. Nic's really only overpaid by about $1M-2M per year.

 

[Sedatedfork]

Crazy Kahn. I'm sure Nic wouldn't have gotten that type of offer from anyone else even though many teams were interested. Kahn is looking to exact some sort of revenge, and it worked. He's hurt himself in the process, but it still hurt us, too.

Kind of the like the rubes searching for gay porn and then posting in on this site. It must be a Minnesota thing.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

I was going by this coming years salary only, but ya. not a big difference

It's just the 7-figures vs. 8-figures average value - to me it's a jump, but that's partially just cuz of how I think in my industry.

Still, I'd rather have Batum at $11.625mil/season than G-Dub at $10mil/season. My opinion would not change even if G-Dub were 2 years younger than he is now.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

I don't think it really hurt the Blazers that much. Nic's really only overpaid by about $1M-2M per year.

This.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

This.

And when Nic steps up his game with Sarge gone, he won't be overpaid, even if he's considered $1-2 million overpaid now.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

ESPN's The Sports Guy, Bill Simmons, took a chunk of time out of his BS Report podcast today to talk NBA free agency, and more specifically, the sparring match between the Blazers and Timberwolves surrounding the signing of Nicolas Batum. You can listen to the entire podcast (Batum talk starts around the 50-minute mark):

"Minnesota vs. Portland ... it's kind of a blood feud over Nicolas Batum." said Simmons. "The league is going in a certain direction ... Nicolas Batum is someone who does two things that you need to be able to do in this league going forward. He can make threes, and he can guard wing guys. And yet, you would never think of him as somebody who would make eight figures a year... he's overpaid, but I'm actually okay with that contract."

Simmons continues... "He's 20-23.... You might be buying low with him because of the way they used him. They just planted him in the corner, and he wasn't actually playing basketball that much."

Bill Simmons and his buddy "House" go on to discuss the Roy Hibbert contract, and why they feel Batum is the type of player that could turn out to be a better deal down the road. On another note, a flash from the past ... I had the chance to talk with Simmons in 2009 during his book signing tour where he talked about The Book of Basketball, his fans and the Portland Trail Blazers.


http://www.oregonlive.com/blazers/i...tml?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

 

[BlazerCaravan]

Yeah; depending on the coach, Nic might suddenly be the focus of a motion-oriented offense, the point-forward who keeps Lillard out of trouble and the offense moving smoothly. Responsibility, trust, and a big paycheck can forgive a lot of sins.

 

[drexlersdad]

This.

if that

with the likelyhood of swinging the needle the other direction in the near future

 

[Mediocre Man]

It's just the 7-figures vs. 8-figures average value - to me it's a jump, but that's partially just cuz of how I think in my industry.

Still, I'd rather have Batum at $11.625mil/season than G-Dub at $10mil/season. My opinion would not change even if G-Dub were 2 years younger than he is now.

You're not one of those assholes who thinks you are fooling all of us by making something $9.99 instead of $10.00, or having gas at $2.99.9/10 instead of $3.00 are you?

 

[Nikolokolus]

ESPN's The Sports Guy, Bill Simmons, took a chunk of time out of his BS Report podcast today to talk NBA free agency, and more specifically, the sparring match between the Blazers and Timberwolves surrounding the signing of Nicolas Batum. You can listen to the entire podcast (Batum talk starts around the 50-minute mark):

"Minnesota vs. Portland ... it's kind of a blood feud over Nicolas Batum." said Simmons. "The league is going in a certain direction ... Nicolas Batum is someone who does two things that you need to be able to do in this league going forward. He can make threes, and he can guard wing guys. And yet, you would never think of him as somebody who would make eight figures a year... he's overpaid, but I'm actually okay with that contract."

Simmons continues... "He's 20-23.... You might be buying low with him because of the way they used him. They just planted him in the corner, and he wasn't actually playing basketball that much."

Bill Simmons and his buddy "House" go on to discuss the Roy Hibbert contract, and why they feel Batum is the type of player that could turn out to be a better deal down the road. On another note, a flash from the past ... I had the chance to talk with Simmons in 2009 during his book signing tour where he talked about The Book of Basketball, his fans and the Portland Trail Blazers.


http://www.oregonlive.com/blazers/i...tml?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

Careful now. Once people around here start agreeing with Bill Simmons you know the Mayans must have been right

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

You're not one of those assholes who thinks you are fooling all of us by making something $9.99 instead of $10.00, or having gas at $2.99.9/10 instead of $3.00 are you?

Fuck no. But you're talking a penny vs. $500K. That's a big difference in my world.

But I am an asshole.

So that makes you 1-for-2.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

Careful now. Once people around here start agreeing with Bill Simmons you know the Mayans must have been right

Seriously, I about shat myself when I saw Bill's comments of approval.

EDIT: I just didn't give myself enough time before typing the above comment.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Since (I assume) we're keeping Batum, and paying him shitloads, we should do things to make sure he's successful. It might be asking too much to hire Vincent Collet as our coach, but I'd certainly be in favor of signing Ronny Turiaf as a scrub bench big. He even played at Gonzaga, and Roy was always in favor of signing him. He would be the perfect Jack Haley for Batum. (I'd also like us to sign Andrew Albicy, but I realizethat's significantly less likely.)

Watch Turiaf at 0:15 here:
[video=youtube;nAZXowrqkW0]

(It's Albicy (#7) who gets the assist, too.)

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

I can't emphasize enough how important it is to develop Leonard's passing and overall touch. You keep a guy who can slash to the hoop or hit the outside jumped (like Batum can do both), you're best served by having a big man who can pass the ball.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Fuck no. But you're talking a penny vs. $500K. That's a big difference in my world.

But I am an asshole.

So that makes you 1-for-2.

.500 is HOF

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

.500 is HOF

In this, does "H" stand for "hall" or "hole"?

 

[Eastoff]

Since (I assume) we're keeping Batum, and paying him shitloads, we should do things to make sure he's successful. It might be asking too much to hire Vincent Collet as our coach, but I'd certainly be in favor of signing Ronny Turiaf as a scrub bench big. He even played at Gonzaga, and Roy was always in favor of signing him. He would be the perfect Jack Haley for Batum. (I'd also like us to sign Andrew Albicy, but I realizethat's significantly less likely.)

Watch Turiaf at 0:15 here:
[video=youtube;nAZXowrqkW0]

(It's Albicy (#7) who gets the assist, too.)

The Turiaf poop in pants dance was better than the dunk!