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OneLifeToLive said:
Well...

Keep in mind who helped who here. Maybe they should be.
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The thing that bugs me is the fact how far the second rounds are down the round. But I can see why Cleveland doesn't want to give up any more number ones after the Mosgov trade. We really don't have much to,stand on right now. Even the BAD teams ate tons better than us.
 
B-Roy said:
Why the fuck are we sending second rounders?
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For the benefit of those puzzled by this thread's first page, with questions about why we're paying Cleveland 2 no. 2s...Woj tweeted that. He deleted it an hour later, but this correction remains.



A bigger error is that Woj kept writing, up to at least July 10, that Kaman's salary was all unguaranteed after June 30. He still hasn't corrected that.
 
ripcityboy said:
The thing that bugs me is the fact how far the second rounds are down the round. But I can see why Cleveland doesn't want to give up any more number ones after the Mosgov trade. We really don't have much to,stand on right now.
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We also didn't have to do that deal. I have no idea what were originally trying to acquire.. But, I would have made it clear, hey were the ones who can make this happen for you. Come to the table with a late first which is right where you are going to land or were out...

There was only one other team that could have helped.
 
OneLifeToLive said:
We also didn't have to do that deal. I have no idea what were originally trying to acquire.. But, I would have made it clear, hey were the ones who can make this happen for you. Come to the table with a late first which is right where you are going to land or were out...

There was only one other team that could have helped.
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Maybe Marc Stein will send me an email. Hes a fellow City fan after all.
 
ripcityboy said:
Maybe Marc Stein will send me an email. Hes a fellow City fan after all.
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I just can't warm up to this GM. I think he leaves a lot on the table. I think that he misses a lot of opportunties and he doesn't get enough out of his assets...

I just think this team should be a lot further ahead with LA or without him.
 
OneLifeToLive said:
I just can't warm up to this GM. I think he leaves a lot on the table. I think that he misses a lot of opportunties and he doesn't get enough out of his assets...

I just think this team should be a lot further ahead with LA or without him.
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Yeah. It's hard to get a read on Olshey. You have to judge him a lot by what he says to the press in conferences. And he's an ex-actor. So who knows what he really means. Most management figures of large teams do give publicity through certain ears in the media. (Brian Cashman has probably saved his career doing this.) But the Blazers don't do this and given Olshey's resonsibilities and the scum that is the local media, I don't blame him.
 
  • In all trades (no matter how many teams are involved), each team must send out and take back at least one of the following:
    • A player under contract.
    • A future draft pick. If a pick is protected (see question number87), then no more than 55 picks in a single draft can be protected.
    • The draft rights to an "NBA prospect" -- a player with a reasonable chance of becoming an NBA player during his career, or a contributing player in a reputable professional league (as determined by the league office).
    • The right to swap unencumbered picks in a future draft.
    • $75,000 or more.
Thought I'd point this out since apparently some people think we can just sit back and absorb for nothing. We have to send some commodity per CBA regulations in order for the trade to happen. As you can see it could be as little as $75k. Since we are only allowed to use $3mil total in a year (July through June) I doubt Neil would use 30%-100% on this trade alone, my guess is the minimum for 2 simultaneous trades so $150k sent out.
 
Neil keeps making deals giving up nothing for something, and people have room to criticize. That kinda baffles me. I think people need to take of their Canzano issued Woulda, Shoulda Coulda glasses and venture into reality once in a while.
 
It's a not a sexy trade. It won't knock anyone's socks off, but Neil is making the best out of the hand he was dealt. Similar to the Harkless trade, he saw an opportunity to gain an asset(s) for nothing and he pounced on it.

Second round picks seem like throwaways, but every now and then teams can strike gold late in the draft. Cliff Robinson fell to us in the second round of the '89 draft. Golden State nabbed the heartbeat of their team, Draymond Green in the second round as well. Also, Paul Millsap went in the middle half of round two. I know the success rate of even finding a rotational player that late in the draft is difficult, but it can be done ... You just have to try. And with this trade, we have two chances.

Lastly, the Cavs could be mediocre in five years. Love and Kyrie will still be in their prime but LeBron will be 35 and just finishing his 17th season in the league. Hopefully the Lakers or Wolves, preferably the Lakers, are terrible and the 2019 pick is in the 30's.
 
Schilly said:
  • Since we are only allowed to use $3mil total in a year (July through June) I doubt Neil would use 30%-100% on this trade alone, my guess is the minimum for 2 simultaneous trades so $150k sent out.
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It started out at 3M, but it goes up 100k every year. 3.4M this year. Your point is even better.
 
Schilly said:
Neil keeps making deals giving up nothing for something, and people have room to criticize. That kinda baffles me. I think people need to take of their Canzano issued Woulda, Shoulda Coulda glasses and venture into reality once in a while.
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Cavs just saved a metric shit ton of money and gained a valuable trade exception. In return, they gave up low value picks years down the road. Our "something" isn't worth much and their "nothing" is rather valuable!
 
MAS RipCity said:
It's a not a sexy trade. It won't knock anyone's socks off, but Neil is making the best out of the hand he was dealt. Similar to the Harkless trade, he saw an opportunity to gain an asset(s) for nothing and he pounced on it.

Second round picks seem like throwaways, but every now and then teams can strike gold late in the draft. Cliff Robinson fell to us in the second round of the '89 draft. Golden State nabbed the heartbeat of their team, Draymond Green in the second round as well. Also, Paul Millsap went in the middle half of round two. I know the success rate of even finding a rotational player that late in the draft is difficult, but it can be done ... You just have to try. And with this trade, we have two chances.
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Don't forget about Olshey drafting DeAndre Jordan at the 2nd round.
 
Schilly said:
Neil keeps making deals giving up nothing for something
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It's the opposite. He makes lopsided losing trades:

OneLifeToLive said:
I think he leaves a lot on the table. I think that he misses a lot of opportunties and he doesn't get enough out of his assets.
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The Cavs announced that they had created this idea, and that only Portland, Philadelphia, and Utah had enough cap space to be their partner. After a few days of discussion, they traded with us.

Q: Why did the Cavs choose us?
A: Olshey asked less of them than Philadelphia and Utah did. Philadelphia and Utah must have wanted more than 2 2nd rounders. Or they must have not been willing to buy out Mitchell's contract. Or they must have been unwilling to pay cash.

Olshey was smart? Two other GMs disagree. They wanted more, or refused to offer as much. Cleveland was desperate. Olshey caved in and gave them more than they expected...Mitchell and cash. And no 1st round pick. What a shock, that we have to pay off Mitchell too.
 
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ripcityboy said:
The thing that bugs me is the fact how far the second rounds are down the round. But I can see why Cleveland doesn't want to give up any more number ones after the Mosgov trade. We really don't have much to,stand on right now. Even the BAD teams ate tons better than us.
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I'm glad the Cleveland 2nd round pick is 5 years from now. When LeBron is 35 they might be a lottery team instead of a title favorite.

The better of the Twolves or Lakers pick is probably the best second rounder they own. Sure it would've been ideal if we got a first round pick but that seems unrealistic for just creating an exception that could land them nothing. I think this is about the next best alternative.
 
jlprk said:
It's the opposite. He makes lopsided losing trades:



The Cavs announced that they had created this idea, and that only Portland, Philadelphia, and Utah had enough cap space to be their partner. After a few days of discussion, they traded with us.

Q: Why did the Cavs choose us?
A: Olshey asked less of them than Philadelphia and Utah did. Philadelphia and Utah must have wanted more than 2 2nd rounders. Or they must have not been willing to buy out Mitchell's contract. Or they must have been unwilling to pay cash.

Olshey was smart? Two other GMs disagree. They wanted more, or refused to offer as much. Cleveland was desperate. Olshey caved in and gave them more than they expected...Mitchell and cash. And no 1st round pick. What a shock, that we have to pay off Mitchell too.
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don't offer less and you get nothing. Olsheys smarter than those 2 teams because they ended up with nothing while Olshey conceded a little to turn nothing into something.
 
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Neil gets trades like this done. Sure he could've played hardball and held out for a tiny bit higher return but theres a real chance then Cleveland doesn't do the trade. I think Neil would rather just get minor deals like this completed than fretting over "winning" every single trade. Having a good working relationship with other teams and agents is a benefit because in the future those teams know he's not messing around and he's not trying to screw them over every penny so they might do a deal with us instead of another team because its less of a headache.

Think of the fiasco with Minnesota giving Batum the offer sheet. That makes teams not want to deal with those franchises. This could've been how we got Lopez for 2nd rounders; Harkless for nothing; signed Ed Davis and Aminu so quickly; got Plumlee and stole the best asset of the Hornets franchise. Neil is a smooth talker and impressive when any of the media or us fans are listening to him. I bet he is equally impressive to other teams GM's and players agents.
 
Draco said:
Neil gets trades like this done. Sure he could've played hardball and held out for a tiny bit higher return but theres a real chance then Cleveland doesn't do the trade. I think Neil would rather just get minor deals like this completed than fretting over "winning" every single trade.
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You admit he lost the trade (didn't win it). You admit it was a minor deal (one he had no incentive to make). So I agree, he gets trades like this done.
 
MAS RipCity said:
Similar to the Harkless trade, he saw an opportunity to gain an asset(s) for nothing and he pounced on it.
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Yes, but an opportunity we won't realize for
4 years. We're in rebuilding mode now and we need players. Four years from now we should hopefully be playing for a title and won't even need somebody else's second round picks.
 
julius said:
Some of you guys are upset that they got 2 free draft picks that won't come to fruition for 4 or 5 years?

Really?
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Some people simply cant be pleased. Period. some people actually enjoy living a life of depression and sulking at every thing that happens in their lives and around them.

I would like to kjnoq, can NO turn around and use these picks for trades? In other words, Do we have to hang onto them unilt the draft year?
If not, then everyone should quit bitchin and let NO FINISH, before you cry.
 
I wonder if the Blazers will keep Mike Miller. We do need some help at SF, a SF who can shoot. I don't know what was up with him last season, or why his shooting took such a big nose dive.

But I'd just as soon keep him than pay him to leave for nothing. He was one of the better SFs in the league throughout his career.
 
Shooter said:
Yes, but an opportunity we won't realize for
4 years. We're in rebuilding mode now and we need players. Four years from now we should hopefully be playing for a title and won't even need somebody else's second round picks.
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Who says we need to wait 4 years to deal the picks? How anyone can complain about adding assets for free is beyond me
 
It's adding liquid assets. I'm all for it.

Now we gotta move Kaman for something.
 
KeepOnRollin said:
Miller will be on our cap (for 2.85 MIL unless we buy him out then that number could go lower) but Haywood at 10.5 MIL won't be on our cap as his contract is unguaranteed if we cut him before August 1st.
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Miller's $2.85M is on the books, no matter what any buyout arrangement is.

FYI
 
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