How's everyone feel about Smokin' Joe Cronin now?

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BonesJones said:
He did what he thought was best for the team. That's it. Still think he did Dame wrong in the leadup. We disagree. Don't plan on arguing this anymore.
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So you're more thinking he did wrong leading up to the trade, but not the actual trade? Those are two different arguments, and I wont necessarily disagree with you on the leadup. I can see that side.

Though I would say that both Dame and Joe didnt handle the initial lead up after his trade request well at all. I thought Joe did well countering Dame (and really not dame, but that fuck Goodwin) saying only one team. But again, two different arguments, and I can see why one would lean more to one side than the other.
 
Idog1976 said:
You forget the intangibles of Joe caving to Riley, how that makes us look around the League and the precedent that sets for Scoot and Sharpe when they are on their second contracts and might want greener pastures. Joe took the right deal.
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Im really struggling with people thinking this was a bad deal.

Then I check out what they were expecting and it all makes sense. They just wanted unrealistic, never going to happen trades with players that werent even available. Then yell at the person who actually got fair value for Dame. Like wut?
 
Screw Miami and shipping Lowry's bloated 1 year deal to Portland. Blazers already cashed out Bledsoe just to wipeout future tax problems. The Dame to Miami trade should have pushed the Heat into 2nd apron. The Heat managers were negotiating with Blazer managers who are sick of being a dumping ground for bad contracts.

No... no deal. Piss off Pat
 
B-Roy said:
It was Lowry, 3 1sts, Jovic, seconds, swaps.

So Holiday needs to fetch more than 1 unprotected 1st (from Miami), 1 protected first (from Herro), Jovic and some seconds.
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I'm calling BS because of context

* start with the reality that Miami didn't have 3 first's to trade. Simply didn't have them. And we have never heard that either they were working deal with OKC or had actually found a taker for Herro that would send a first

* we never heard a single report, suggestion, or rumor that Miami was offering unprotected firsts, and I don't believe they were

* Lowry + Jovic is 4M short of working. And all I've heard is that Miami wouldn't include Martin or Jaquez. Another thing I've heard, many times, is that Miami was insisting that the Blazers take Robinson. And moving the negative value of Robinson should be worth a 1st by itself
 
wizenheimer said:
I'm calling BS because of context

* start with the reality that Miami didn't have 3 first's to trade. Simply didn't have them. And we have never heard that either they were working deal with OKC or had actually found a taker for Herro that would send a first

* we never heard a single report, suggestion, or rumor that Miami was offering unprotected firsts, and I don't believe they were

* Lowry + Jovic is 4M short of working. And all I've heard is that Miami wouldn't include Martin or Jaquez. Another thing I've heard, many times, is that Miami was insisting that the Blazers take Robinson. And moving the negative value of Robinson should be worth a 1st by itself
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Plus some kind of rotation player needed to go to Phoenix.
 
wizenheimer said:
I'm calling BS because of context

* start with the reality that Miami didn't have 3 first's to trade. Simply didn't have them. And we have never heard that either they were working deal with OKC or had actually found a taker for Herro that would send a first

* we never heard a single report, suggestion, or rumor that Miami was offering unprotected firsts, and I don't believe they were

* Lowry + Jovic is 4M short of working. And all I've heard is that Miami wouldn't include Martin or Jaquez. Another thing I've heard, many times, is that Miami was insisting that the Blazers take Robinson. And moving the negative value of Robinson should be worth a 1st by itself
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Yep, it's damage control plain and simple.
 
At the end of the day we can compare what could have been the best case scenario trade from Miami to what we got for Dame and whatever we end up getting for Jrue, but we will never know how far Miami would have actually gone. We only know what they actually offered.
 
There is a bucket full of moving parts to find the answer to the op's question.

1) Dames goes to a contender, he is happy. Dame wins.

2) Bucks leap to favorite to win rings. Bucks win.

3) Sun's save money. Sun's win.

4) Blazers upgrade C position and appear to have created a more balanced roster. Blazers win.

5) Blazers add assets with future draft picks, and a very valuable tradeable all star player. Blazers win again.

6) Blazers are now a more entertaining team to watch. Blazer fans win.

That's a win-win-win-win-win-win trade. But wait, there is more.

Overlooked is Cronin's new reputation around the NBA. His rookie days of getting taken advantage of are over. He will not waste time on low ball offers. He has shown the NBA that he is a fair play negotiator, and wants to make the best deal that is a win for everyone envolved.

How do I now feel about Cronin. He has done good work, and earned my respect.
 
oldfisherman said:
There is a bucket full of moving parts to find the answer to the op's question.

1) Dames goes to a contender, he is happy. Dame wins.

2) Bucks leap to favorite to win rings. Bucks win.

3) Sun's save money. Sun's win.

4) Blazers upgrade C position and appear to have created a more balanced roster. Blazers win.

5) Blazers add assets with future draft picks, and a very valuable tradeable all star player. Blazers win again.

6) Blazers are now a more entertaining team to watch. Blazer fans win.

That's a win-win-win-win-win-win trade. But wait, there is more.

Overlooked is Cronin's new reputation around the NBA. His rookie days of getting taken advantage of are over. He will not waste time on low ball offers. He has shown the NBA that he is a fair play negotiator, and wants to make the best deal that is a win for everyone envolved.

How do I now feel about Cronin. He has done good work, and earned my respect.
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Excellent summation good sir! I only regret that I have but one like to give!
 
How's everyone feel about Smokin' Joe Cronin now?

I would smoke with Joe Cronin.

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Joe Cronin back on July 10th:


Question: If there is to be a Dame trade what is your goal to come out of it?

Joe: In any deal, the goal is to come out with the best outcome. So for us that can be many different things. It could be more of a win now player and that would be intriguing to us. It could be a young player and picks and that would be intriguing. It could be just picks and we would look at that as well. For us it is how can we maximize this return and I don't think we have any set parameters, it's we would evaluate each deal case by case and choose the best one."

Question: Is there a better win-now player than Damian Lillard?

Joe: There is not.

This is all very funny to me because if you look at the current trade without dealing Jrue

Win now player = Jrue Holiday/Ayton

Young player and picks = Camara and picks from Milwaukee.

He wants to maximize the return and that's what he's working on right now with Jrue. They asked if there's a better win now player than Dame on the market and Joe said no.... but I bet you if you asked him today if there's a better win now player on the market than Jrue, he'd give the same answer :lol:

Joe won this trade.
 
oldfisherman said:
There is a bucket full of moving parts to find the answer to the op's question.

1) Dames goes to a contender, he is happy. Dame wins.

2) Bucks leap to favorite to win rings. Bucks win.

3) Sun's save money. Sun's win.

4) Blazers upgrade C position and appear to have created a more balanced roster. Blazers win.

5) Blazers add assets with future draft picks, and a very valuable tradeable all star player. Blazers win again.

6) Blazers are now a more entertaining team to watch. Blazer fans win.

That's a win-win-win-win-win-win trade. But wait, there is more.

Overlooked is Cronin's new reputation around the NBA. His rookie days of getting taken advantage of are over. He will not waste time on low ball offers. He has shown the NBA that he is a fair play negotiator, and wants to make the best deal that is a win for everyone envolved.

How do I now feel about Cronin. He has done good work, and earned my respect.
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Excellent take. I agree 100%
 
Cronin has done the logical thing since his first move, even if people had some silly ideas about norm and roco's value.

That dude knows what he is doing and is executing it properly when you look at what he has to work with.

Long vs short term thinking, talent acquisition and roster balance.

It took him less than 2 years, but the blazers finally have a future to look at.
 
andalusian said:
Cronin has done the logical thing since his first move, even if people had some silly ideas about norm and roco's value.

That dude knows what he is doing and is executing it properly when you look at what he has to work with.

Long vs short term thinking, talent acquisition and roster balance.

It took him less than 2 years, but the blazers finally have a future to look at.
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I think it might be better than OKCs. Quantity does not equal quality in the NBA.
 
Respectfully, I am not as excited about the pick swaps as some others are. 5 and 7 years is a long time from now and they could be worth zilch. Since I can't look forward in time though, I'll just wait until Jrue is dealt and make my decision based on that transaction. The end of the Dame Era could have been dealt with more gracefully, but Joe at least got us all some sort of resolution before the season started. Overall offseason grade, B.
 
Trade destination that puts Dame in a real contender- A
Trade value accounting for Dame's contract, demands, willing teams to trade, and career timeline - A
Size of wheelbarrow to haul those jewels around in by waiting amidst massive pressure - A
Stayed cool during the entire process - A
 
Idog1976 said:
Good job digging up my takes from what a year plus ago? Also, if they had gone your route it would have screwed us and the NBA as I said. Reporting now shows Dame asked for Bucks and Brooklyn. My guy, you sound like a Heat fan, still in denial, take the L, or change your stance. Dame got paid, Dame's gonna get rings. Joe did as right by Dame as is humanly possible.

The only other reportage we have that's credible, was that Joe could have gotten OG for #3 plus Sharpe. I'm not aware of any other credible trades out there, ergo Joe didn't "do Dame wrong". Anything other than that, is as speculative as my take about what would have happened to the league if Joe had bent to Dame...like you seemed to want. Joe did right by Dame, and more importantly the team. Just not what some Podcaster wanted, or what he thinks happened based on supposed sauces.
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Joe trading him to his 2nd destination is different than how he handled things before this. Now let it go.
 
noknobs said:
You apparently missed this:



He traded him to a team he was agreeable to. How on earth is that doing him wrong?
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Because Joe trading him is different than how things were handled leading up to this. But we can't even move on from that.
 
Anytime you trade your franchise super star you can't realistically grade it an A.
Id say this trade overall is a c+
What they've done is a tactic in trying to meet an objective goal down the road.
 
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