How's everyone feel about Smokin' Joe Cronin now?

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Tince said:
The game of Dame is hurting the Blazers, when he supposedly loves them vs the Blazers are lying to Dame and not doing right by him, despite supposedly loving him, is tiresome to me. It is possible to love someone/something and still be hurt by them and not do everything in your power to set them up in the best situation possible. I tend to believe we've seen that play out on both sides in this case. The people insistent on making Dame or Cronin out to be the bad guy is weird to me, they both share responsibility in this not working and how it played out, along with a few others.

Regardless, IF the Blazers front office/coaches did break the rules, that is the fault of the Blazers and nobody else. Doesn't matter if other people do it. Doesn't matter how the league finds out about it. The people responsible are the people to blame for any consequences.
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Come on man…. He didn’t need to do that hit piece on the way out of town. That’s a new transgression.
 
Natebishop3 said:
But it’s just one more example of trying to hurt the team on his way out the door.

It’s like he doesn’t understand that him hurting the team that we love will also, by proxy, hurt the fans that he supposedly loves.
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Using an honest statement to embarrass a team that embarasses itself. Portland was asking for it. It wasn't just grumpy fans going after Lillard all summer. Team sponsored podcasts and paid broadcasting employees turned into Lillard bullies and said some horrible stuff.
 
Whyachi said:
Using an honest statement to embarrass a team that embarasses itself. Portland was asking for it. It wasn't just grumpy fans going after Lillard all summer. Team sponsored podcasts and paid broadcasting employees turned into Lillard bullies and said some horrible stuff.
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What terrible things did a team sponsored podcast say?

Honestly asking so I don't accidentally support it.
 
To answer the question of the thread ...

The salary structure on the team is better.
The future looks hopeful.
The draft was good. A good forward was resigned in Grant and an excellent defender in Thybulle matched.
Nurkic + Lillard + two guys who have some promise (but dinged up) were traded with an elite defending PG to be traded later, the arrival of a better center in Ayton, plus a prospect and draft capital ... I'm in.
Joe's making some pretty good sausage and media water carriers are talking about how it reportedly and anonymously-sourced-types say it got made?

I never wanted Lillard gone. Still don't. Cronin is doing just fine.
 
Tince said:
The game of Dame is hurting the Blazers, when he supposedly loves them vs the Blazers are lying to Dame and not doing right by him, despite supposedly loving him, is tiresome to me. It is possible to love someone/something and still be hurt by them and not do everything in your power to set them up in the best situation possible. I tend to believe we've seen that play out on both sides in this case. The people insistent on making Dame or Cronin out to be the bad guy is weird to me, they both share responsibility in this not working and how it played out, along with a few others.

Regardless, IF the Blazers front office/coaches did break the rules, that is the fault of the Blazers and nobody else. Doesn't matter if other people do it. Doesn't matter how the league finds out about it. The people responsible are the people to blame for any consequences.
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If Dame got what he wanted from the tanking, would he have mentioned it to anyone?

I'd appreciate an honest answer.
 
Phatguysrule said:
What terrible things did a team sponsored podcast say?

Honestly asking so I don't accidentally support it.
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Highkin ... "we should just bench Lillard until he retires" followed by a cackled laughter. That's not funny to go live with that on YouTube. Lillard worked his ass off in Portland, just so a skinny twerp that only reports what the team tells him to, can threaten to ruin Damian's illustrious career.
 
Whyachi said:
Using an honest statement to embarrass a team that embarasses itself. Portland was asking for it. It wasn't just grumpy fans going after Lillard all summer. Team sponsored podcasts and paid broadcasting employees turned into Lillard bullies and said some horrible stuff.
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Lillard bullies? Lol
 
STOMP said:
all day the talk of Bay Area sportstalk was how can the W's get Jrue from Portland? The mid-day consensus was it would take at least CP3's expiring deal (to match dollars), Kuminga and their 2026 1st. The other consensus was the Clippers would probably put together a better package.

Holiday is going to bring back a haul

STOMP
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CP3 + Kuminga + ‘26 unprotected 1st is an okay deal, good deal if you’re in love with Kuminga. The problem is actually extracting any value out of CP3. If the Heat offered Lowry and the ‘26 unprotected Lakers 2nd, I would take it, but I don’t even know if if they’d rather clear Lowry’s salary or gamble on CP3’s health.

To me, PWill has the same kind of potential. So if we could extract more value in addition to PWill from the Bulls for Holiday and eating Lonzo’s contract, that’s definitely a better deal to me. Lonzo could be a contributor in ‘24-‘25 when he’s playing for another contract. A ‘28 and ‘30 unprotected 1st from them are extremely valuable, as they’ve already made one all in move and are still middle of the pack. They’re basically in the same position as the Blazers were a couple years ago, so at this point, it’s make the all in move again or rebuild.

The Clippers ‘28 and ‘30 unprotected 1sts + a ‘29 unprotected swap are also very valuable and trading Holiday there still can get us a valuable vets like Batum, who if nothing else would be a great mentor for Rupert.

I would also consider 2 1sts from Boston with Williams, Brogdon, and filler. Their 1sts aren’t as promising as ones from LAC or CHI which is why I have them behind LAC/CHI/BRK as favorite destinations, but Williams at backup C is a great rotation at the 5. Brogdon could also come back eventually, and a team like the Clippers could still want him.
 
Are people ignoring the Haynes article? I can’t find anyone talking about it.
 
@SlyPokerDog and @BonesJones were both right when they heard that Joe Cronin is a liar and treated Dame disrespectfully. They essentially detailed exactly what Haynes wrote.

I was totally wrong and I apologize. It just seemed so conspiratorial to think that Cronin was being petty. But not only was he being pretty, he was being psychotically childish as well. He essentially pushed Dame to this point then pushed him out. Fuck that.
 
Propagandist said:
@SlyPokerDog and @BonesJones were both right when they heard that Joe Cronin is a liar and treated Dame disrespectfully. They essentially detailed exactly what Haynes wrote.

I was totally wrong and I apologize. It just seemed so conspiratorial to think that Cronin was being petty. But not only was he being pretty, he was being psychotically childish as well. He essentially pushed Dame to this point then pushed him out. Fuck that.
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You consider Haynes an impartial source?
 
Natebishop3 said:
What?

Shaedon is a positive result.

Scoot is a positive result.

Ayton is a positive result.

Thybulle is a positive result.

Grant is a positive result.

The unprotected pick and swaps from Milwaukee are a positive result.

Too early to tell on Murray or Rupert.
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What I was talking about was Joe saying he was building around Dame. The only one of the items above that is true to that goal was getting Grant. Everything else he has done has been rebuilding.

Over and over again he said he was building around Dame and over and over again he (or maybe Bert Kolde as I'm not sure how much authority Joe really has) made deals that were contrary to that stated goal.
 
Phatguysrule said:
What terrible things did a team sponsored podcast say?

Honestly asking so I don't accidentally support it.
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how about Jason Quick on Athletic podcast, saying Dame's trade request *hamstringed the organization. Then acting shocked and oblivious during several contradictive statements. Responding to a mole faced reporter asking fake questions why Lillard asked out. "Yaaa, i dunno why Lillard asked out. Cronin signed an armada of 10 rookies, you know. Yes, big surprise."

hamstringed... That's referring to a cut so deep it incapacitates someone from using that leg ever again. Harsh words for a legendary iconic Blazer who just got traded for an All-Star point guard Holiday, young player with potential, + 1st round draft pick & swaps.
 
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Propagandist said:
No, but it’s not an opinion piece. It’s essentially Dame being Dame explaining about a fucked situation, which in turn, all makes perfect sense.
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It may not technically be an opinion piece but it's full of opinions and insinuations and unanswered questions.

Such as, what was Miami's offer to Portland, knowing they were bidding against themselves?
 
Whyachi said:
how about Jason Quick on Athletic podcast, saying Dame's trade request *hamstringed the organization. Then acting shocked and oblivious during several contradictive statements. Responding to a mole faced reporter asking fake questions why Lillard asked out. "Yaaa, i dunno why Lillard asked out. Cronin signed an armada of 10 rookies, you know. Yes, big surprise."

hamstringed... That's referring to a cut so deep it incapacitates someone from using that leg ever again. Harsh words for a legendary iconic Blazer who just got traded for an All-Star point guard Holiday, young player with potential, + 1st round draft pick & swaps.
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Hamstringed just means to block the effectiveness of someone or something.

That's exactly what Dame's agent did.
 
Phatguysrule said:
Hamstringed just means to block the effectiveness of someone or something.

That's exactly what Dame's agent did.
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we're Blazer fans in a chat room. Light it up, say whatever we want. We ain't getting paid for this stuff. To go on air, just to be rude and nasty to a Blazer that poured his heart & soul into this franchise. Actual media people throwing shade is more or less inciting a riot.
 
blazerfan11 said:
Where's the other side of the story?
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I've only heard the Blazers' side. Does this version of events not just make perfect sense? You've been watching and listening to Dame for 10 years. A decade. And he has always been one way. Then it looks like he's changed and Joe Cronin just shrugs and is like "Dame wants out, guys, I'm surprised" or whatever and so the fans--me included--act like Dame's image was just this choreographed branding thing. But then Dame gets his chance to speak and it all fits together, like I said earlier.
 
kjironman1 said:
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How about reddit likes him so it means he's dogshit?
 
Natebishop3 said:
What?

Shaedon is a positive result.

Scoot is a positive result.

Ayton is a positive result.

Thybulle is a positive result.

Grant is a positive result.

The unprotected pick and swaps from Milwaukee are a positive result.

Too early to tell on Murray or Rupert.
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You like those players apparently, but you know they haven't won shit for Portland at any point.
 
Joe Cronin is receiving insults for having Trail Blazers interests as a priority

Lillard is receiving praise for having his interests above Trail Blazers interests

Don't worry people, we are seeing who's a Trail Blazers fan and who's a Lillard fan...
 
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maxiep said:
I'm choosing to forget the past and focus on the future. Dame is gone, what can we get for Jrue?
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If he's the best two-way guard in the NBA who can fit right in with just about any team, probably a good amount.
Multiple first-round picks has been mentioned a few times.

“The Celtics could package Malcolm Brogdon, Al Horford and multiple first-round picks for the rights to Holiday,” wrote Washburn, “who would assume point-guard duties and send Derrick White back to his shooting guard position.”
https://www.boston.com/sports/morni...9/28/jrue-holiday-celtics-trade-report/?amp=1

Sean Highkin: My sense with the Jrue Holiday trade is that since Portland got mainly players back in the Dame deal, they’ll likely prioritize draft capital in this one. So whichever team offers the pick(s) they feel are best/highest upside is probably the deal they’ll go with.
Source: Twitter @highkin
 
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