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The letter from Dame excluded Cronin. Maybe he hated that Joe didn't want him back. Very understandable. But from my point of view, Joe risked the bad press of declining reconciliation with Dame for Dame's own good. As stated before, Joe put Dame in the best position to get a ring, with Milwaukee being better, way better than Portland.

It's kinda like giving up your biological child for adoption to a wealthy, loving family because you're unable to give the best life for your child.

I hope Dame realizes this
 
It seems like Haynes article just reinforces whatever prior opinion fans already had of this situation.

Some Dame supports see it as evidence Cronin did Dame wrong.

Personally I see it as evidence Dame has acted extremely unprofessional and all of the Blazers action were fine.

All of Cronins "were committed to building around Dame" is normal GM speak. What was he going to say with Dame on the team the last two years, "were considering trading Dame away and rebuilding?" That's just not how the world works.
 
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BonesJones said:
It's not about what Joe Cronin did, it's the way he did it.
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He isn't the one who asked out. Try to keep up here. It's pretty obvious now that your mantra from the beginning has been way off.
The timeline doesn't lie.
Dame asked out and demanded Miami.
Then his agent went all out telling teams dame only wants Miami.
Then after the offers weren't good enough Dame went back and said he would be willing to stay until the deal with Miami worked out.
Joe said Sorry but that would not be best for the organization.
Joe traded Dame for a decent return and now has another very tradable piece that will make this move very good while getting Dame to a very good location.

Now you want to say "It's the way he did it".
Sorry but the stage was set and the band was playing.
Joe started dancing.

Now Dame in his letter says someday he wants to be a Blazer again And he really respects Jody. Not one mention of Paul Allen though.
 
If I were in Joe's shoes, I'd want to trade Lillard as well.

Sometimes it's just the way the chips fall. Are we mad at Joe for drafting Sharpe and Scoot? We don't even know what was being offered for either. People act like Joe is supposed to pull championship players out of his ass, but this isn't fantasy land.

If Zach Collins had panned out, this might be a totally different story imagine a lineup of Dame, Hart, Grant, Collins (with realized potential), Ayton.
 
I love Dame as a player and as a human being, but to be honest, over the years his patter got a little old and stale. He kept saying the same things over and over until they became almost too routine. It almost made my eyes roll. Yeah, we get he's loyal, we get he's this and we get he's that. But sometimes you have to just quit talking and let your actions speak for you. And if you have to keep telling people you're this or you're that, it loses something (or hides an agenda). And it makes a guy (or at least me) wonder why we have to constantly be reminded. The way this whole thing went down and the way Dame seems to have gone about it (will we ever truly know the "truth" of the matter?) it seems like Dame has spent the past several years giving himself cover (in a passive/aggressive way) in the event this day ever came. Personally I think Dame took (really) bad advice from his agent and overplayed his hand. He fucked up and Cronin still did him (and the franchise) a solid. He has a legitimate shot at a ring along with the next 4 years totaling over $200M in his pocket. Lifting his leg on Cronin is a bad look and drops him a notch or two in my eyes. I really thought he was better than that.
 
Cronin is terrible. I genuinely believe this franchise will be in the gutter with him at the helm.
 
Portland2014 said:
Joe Cronin is receiving insults for having Trail Blazers interests as a priority

Lillard is receiving praise for having his interests above Trail Blazers interests

Don't worry people, we are seeing who's a Trail Blazers fan and who's a Lillard fan...
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Exactly. Lillard is using Haynes to try and rebuild his reputation after a brutal summer where he burned a lot of good will. Too late.
 
CJ_is_Gone said:
Id do that. Then Id look to trade CP3 to either Clippers (Batum & Kenyon Martin) or Heat (Lowry & Jovic)
In both cases we get a good mentor for the team and a young guy with some promise
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If the W's offered the speculated deal and it was deemed the best return by management, I'd hope they keep Paul. Let him mentor Scoot for a year and then come off the books. If Cronin clears the space over the next few years and Scoot and Shaedon ball out as hoped, I am sure FAs will want to come. Dudes with options mostly want to get paid and win and Portland could be a prime destination for both.

STOMP
 
BankTeller said:
CP3 + Kuminga + ‘26 unprotected 1st is an okay deal, good deal if you’re in love with Kuminga. The problem is actually extracting any value out of CP3. If the Heat offered Lowry and the ‘26 unprotected Lakers 2nd, I would take it, but I don’t even know if if they’d rather clear Lowry’s salary or gamble on CP3’s health.
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Like Lowry's, CP3's deal runs out after next season.... well, there is a 30M team option for 2024-5.

STOMP
 
Whyachi said:
how about Jason Quick on Athletic podcast, saying Dame's trade request *hamstringed the organization. Then acting shocked and oblivious during several contradictive statements. Responding to a mole faced reporter asking fake questions why Lillard asked out. "Yaaa, i dunno why Lillard asked out. Cronin signed an armada of 10 rookies, you know. Yes, big surprise."
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good grief man, Jason Quick does not represent the franchise and his podcast is not team sponsered. He's a sports gossip columnist stirring the pot for the gullible

STOMP
 
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Portland2014 said:
Joe Cronin is receiving insults for having Trail Blazers interests as a priority

Lillard is receiving praise for having his interests above Trail Blazers interests

Don't worry people, we are seeing who's a Trail Blazers fan and who's a Lillard fan...
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Joe Cronin is NOT “receiving insults for having Trail Blazers interests as a priority.” He is receiving insults because he’s a liar and a child who pushed out arguably the best player in franchise history.

Lillard is “receiving praise” for continuing to be the same standup guy to the city and the team that he’s always been. Joe is a liar. He started a rebuild while saying repeatedly that he was committed to building around Dame.

And I am a Trail Blazer fan. Dame WAS the Trail Blazers. None have represented us better. Since things aren’t actually either/or, this situation sucks. But as for saying you have to be a Cronin fan to be a. Trail Blazer fan, you can get the fuck out of here with that. It’s about decency.
 
BonesJones said:
Except Dame never wanted it to go like this.
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Except Dame's people made it play that way.

I wrote this somewhere else: For your suggestion to absolve Dame to be true, he'd have to have self-determination equivalent to an infant. It went two months before Dame allegedly said he'd be willing to come back. Two months of trashing the Blazers through his surrogates. Two months of trying to block any avenues for Cronin to explore deals that were better for the organization and Dame's former teammates who were going to stay in Portland. And, even after he supposedly said he was willing to return to the Blazers -- even after his surrogates hinted that he'd "make it ugly" if he wasn't trade to the Heat, Dame never went public with that. His original narrative continued to float out there.

What you're saying is Dame let Goodwin do that without Dame's approval, but, if that's true, it doesn't absolve Dame. It just infantilizes him.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
It seems like Haynes article just reinforces whatever prior opinion fans already had of this situation.

Some Dame supports see it as evidence Cronin did Dame wrong.

Personally I see it as evidence Dame has acted extremely unprofessional and all of the Blazers action were fine.

All of Cronins "were committed to building around Dame" is normal GM speak. What was he going to say with Dame on the team the last two years, "were considering trading Dame away and rebuilding?" That's just not how the world works.
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How can you read it that way? It literally says the opposite.

And lying is “just how the world works”? Thanks for that.
 
Propagandist said:
Joe Cronin is NOT “receiving insults for having Trail Blazers interests as a priority.” He is receiving insults because he’s a liar and a child who pushed out arguably the best player in franchise history.

Lillard is “receiving praise” for continuing to be the same standup guy to the city and the team that he’s always been. Joe is a liar. He started a rebuild while saying repeatedly that he was committed to building around Dame.

And I am a Trail Blazer fan. Dame WAS the Trail Blazers. None have represented us better. Since things aren’t actually either/or, this situation sucks. But as for saying you have to be a Cronin fan to be a. Trail Blazer fan, you can get the fuck out of here with that. It’s about decency.
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Cronin added the best talent that was available around Dame. Which is what he said he'd do.

I understand Dame not liking how it went down (adding young players), but Cronin didn't lie to him.

There was nothing available that would have improved the team more than Grant, Sharpe, or Scoot.

Certainly not for what we had to offer.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Yeah I was thinking about that last night. In one hand he’s holding out an olive branch to the fans while simultaneously salting the earth on his way out of town.
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It's the clerk not liking something the manager said, punching the manager in response, holding the manager's family at gun point, and then, realizing he didn't have another job lined up saying, "Hey, if I don't kill you guys, you know I'd be willing to come back and work here."
 
kjironman1 said:
He isn't the one who asked out. Try to keep up here. It's pretty obvious now that your mantra from the beginning has been way off.
The timeline doesn't lie.
Dame asked out and demanded Miami.
Then his agent went all out telling teams dame only wants Miami.
Then after the offers weren't good enough Dame went back and said he would be willing to stay until the deal with Miami worked out.
Joe said Sorry but that would not be best for the organization.
Joe traded Dame for a decent return and now has another very tradable piece that will make this move very good while getting Dame to a very good location.

Now you want to say "It's the way he did it".
Sorry but the stage was set and the band was playing.
Joe started dancing.

Now Dame in his letter says someday he wants to be a Blazer again And he really respects Jody. Not one mention of Paul Allen though.
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Did you even read the article? You can’t just lie to guy like Dame over and over and expect him not to react. Well, I guess you can expect him not to react since that’s what most of you are essentially saying.
 
PCmor7 said:
Except Dame's people made it play that way.

I wrote this somewhere else: For your suggestion to absolve Dame to be true, he'd have to have self-determination equivalent to an infant. It went two months before Dame allegedly said he'd be willing to come back. Two months of trashing the Blazers through his surrogates. Two months of trying to block any avenues for Cronin to explore deals that were better for the organization and Dame's former teammates who were going to stay in Portland. And, even after he supposedly said he was willing to return to the Blazers -- even after his surrogates hinted that he'd "make it ugly" if he wasn't trade to the Heat, Dame never went public with that. His original narrative continued to float out there.

What you're saying is Dame let Goodwin do that without Dame's approval, but, if that's true, it doesn't absolve Dame. It just infantilizes him.
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This. A public statement from Dame that he'd be more than happy to come back to Portland would have given Cronin maximum leverage, and would have increased the chances of a Miami deal getting done. But Miami might have had to give up enough that they wouldn't be a contender with Dame. Dame didn't want that.

Dame refused to do that.
 
kjironman1 said:
He isn't the one who asked out. Try to keep up here. It's pretty obvious now that your mantra from the
Now Dame in his letter says someday he wants to be a Blazer again And he really respects Jody. Not one mention of Paul Allen though.
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I'm glad someone else noticed Paul Allen's name missing as well. I found it strange. It would have been a lovely time to acknowledge the owner that drafted him and allowed his sister to be so generous to Dame.
 
From what I have seen in professional sports, when a generational player leaves, it's almost always bloody. Feelings are almost always hurt. To me, this divorce is a three on a scale of 10. Hell, ask the Packers how to behave when their quarterback leaves. They have f***ed up the last two.

As for Lillard saying he wanted to return, it wasn't "I reconsidered, and if you can't send me to Miami, I want to be a Blazer forever". He said he was willing to start the season as a Blazer to give us time to make a deal with the Heat. It sucks, but I can't blame the Blazers' FO for not wanting the distraction. Dame wanted to play lights out and show he was worth trading for, and we wanted to focus on the future.

If I'm going to blame anyone, I'm blaming Goodwin. Even by the low standards of agent conduct, he managed to surprise.
 
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