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julius said:
The Blazers pick would go to them if it was out of the lottery. The Warriors pick isn't what they traded, but potentially the Blazers could convince the Bulls to take it instead?
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So if we land in the lotto, we keep the pick and Bulls are screwed? Or we keep the pick and the Bulls get next years pick?
 
RonBrewer said:
So if we land in the lotto, we keep the pick and Bulls are screwed? Or we keep the pick and the Bulls get next years pick?
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Portland owes Chicago one 15 - 30 (non-lottery) 1st round pick through 2028. (Edit 15-30 first-round pick)
If Portland doesn't make the playoffs from now until the end of the 2027-2028 season, Portland only owes Chicago a 2nd round pick, and the obligation is gone.

Yes, Chicago will not get that first round pick if Portland misses the playoffs, and will not get it until Portland makes the playoffs.
 
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blazerfan11 said:
Portland owes Chicago one 14 - 30 (non-lottery) 1st round pick through 2028.
If Portland doesn't make the playoffs from now until the end of the 2027-2028 season, Portland only owes Chicago a 2nd round pick, and the obligation is gone.

Yes, Chicago will not get that first round pick if Portland misses the playoffs, and will not get it until Portland makes the playoffs.
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Quite the connundrum.
 
julius said:
The Blazers pick would go to them if it was out of the lottery. The Warriors pick isn't what they traded, but potentially the Blazers could convince the Bulls to take it instead?
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I don't know why...about 90% chance Blazers are in the lottery this year. And probably quite a bit better than even odds they will be in the lottery for at least a couple years after that.

I suppose, if the Warriors pick is in the 25-30 range, maybe Portland could convince Chicago to accept. At the same time the Bulls might want to roll the dice they get a 15-20 pick 2026 or 2027
 
blazerfan11 said:
Portland owes Chicago one 15 - 30 (non-lottery) 1st round pick through 2028. (Edit 15-30 first-round pick)
If Portland doesn't make the playoffs from now until the end of the 2027-2028 season, Portland only owes Chicago a 2nd round pick, and the obligation is gone.

Yes, Chicago will not get that first round pick if Portland misses the playoffs, and will not get it until Portland makes the playoffs.
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Also, if it ends up being 2028 that the Blazers pick is a second and sent to Chicago then the pick swap that year with Milwaukee is voided
 
Tince said:
You're really struggling with this...I'm trying to help you realize how poor your logic is, but you appear to be so blinded by who you want to blame, that you continue to blame the whistleblower.

If your (bad) analogy is correct and Dame broke a rule, then Dame should get punished as well. See, I'm consistent with my logic: The person/entity that broke a rule is the one who should be blamed. I know that's a unimaginable concept to you! The NBA will be able to decide IF the Blazers or Dame broke a rule and if Dame or the Blazers deserve to be punished. If the outcome is that Portland broke no rules and Dame did, then I won't put the blame on the Blazers either. I'm going to guess regardless of the outcome, you'll want to blindly blame Dame.
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The rule your harping on is like jaywalking.... nobody cared much at all about teams tanking, Dallas even publicly admitted to doing it while throwing possible playin games and had nothing but a fine.

The primary point Nate was making is Dame looks bad trying to talk shit. He could have taken the high road as the Blazers have done with Dame but didn't. Tanking was a tiny part of his complaining, and yes Dame was in the wrong for being an accomplice in that small farce as well.
 
Tince said:
Since you also appear to be struggling with the definition of whistleblower: "A whistleblower is a person, often an employee, who reveals information about activity within a private or public organization that is deemed illegal, immoral, illicit, unsafe or fraudulent."
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Tanking is not any of these things
 
BonesJones said:
Their best package?

Four firsts, Jovic & Jaquez isn't comparable to three 1sts, Brogdon, and Williams? If we can get a 1st for Brogdon then I think the latter is better but (1) I'm unsure whether we can and (2) I still think those packages are pretty comparable.
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Miami could only trade 2 firsts and Tyler Herro with those 3rd stringers (yes ESPN depth chart has Jovic/Jaquez as 3rd string)

That you are trying to argue this is 4 FRP is laughable and just as delusional as the ridiculous Miami media.

I used to pay the max I could for your channel and enjoyed listening to you both but the delusional emotional whining of the last few months and your false claims of "lying" is such a turn off. I've cancelled for now, but look forward to resubscribing when someday y'all can discuss the Blazers factually and professionally.
 
BonesJones said:
Because leading up to this thing, that was the best deal they could realistically give up. A lot of people said it was terrible. I disagreed. Thus, we are comparing what we got to that.
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That's about as useful as me arguing with someone who thinks Scottie Barnes and 4 unprotected FRP from Toronto was a bad offer.

Like who the fuck cares? It's so unlikely Toronto could even assemble those assets, and they would never offer them, so it's all totally irrelevant to analyzing anything with the Blazers.

Do you just want to spend hours analyzing what random people post on the Internet - or do you want to analyze what's happening in the actual NBA?
 
BonesJones said:
Huh? I'm not comparing Herro to Jrue. Jrue is obviously better. Miami's best deal would've included 2 more 1sts. But that's a conversation based on what they could've offered, not what they did.

In reality, getting something comparable to their best offer makes whether or not they offered it irrelevant and justifies waiting for months. Joe did well for himself.
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Just totally disagree Miami could acquire two firsts for Herro. Im skeptical they could acquire 1. I wouldn't be surprised if Brogdon had more trade value than Herro.

Dude gets injured and his team goes from the playin to the NBA finals. Not even sure he's viewed as worth more than nothing on his 100 million deal.

Jordan Poole has accomplished more, won some big games leading to a title. He was traded WITH a pick for washed Chris Paul.

But you claim Herro is worth two FRP? LMAO
 
42N8Bounce said:
With how Cronin has done in the last few days, I wouldn’t be surprised if they announce a trade:
Blazers aquire Dame Lillard for Brogdon and a first round draft pick (from Mil).
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It's funny but I've thought we very well might get this in two years!

Having 3 unprotected years of Bucks drafts for the team Dame is on makes us their ideal trading partner if they ever try to break up that core.
 
Mediocre Man said:
Also, if it ends up being 2028 that the Blazers pick is a second and sent to Chicago then the pick swap that year with Milwaukee is voided
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I don't believe this is correct. In that case the Blazers own pick would be a lottery pick and only swapped with Milwaukee if they had a higher lottery pick.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
The rule your harping on is like jaywalking.... nobody cared much at all about teams tanking, Dallas even publicly admitted to doing it while throwing possible playin games and had nothing but a fine.

The primary point Nate was making is Dame looks bad trying to talk shit. He could have taken the high road as the Blazers have done with Dame but didn't. Tanking was a tiny part of his complaining, and yes Dame was in the wrong for being an accomplice in that small farce as well.
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We agree. All sides could've taken the "high road" in this situation and protected each other. Instead, all sides decided to do what is best for them from a business and PR standpoint. I don't begrudge the Blazers for trying to win the PR battle nor am I upset at Dame for it.

At the end of the day, if you break a rule, you are ultimately responsible in my eyes. I don't bend that logic based on who I'm rooting for, which in this case is the Blazers over Dame.
 
Tince said:
We agree. All sides could've taken the "high road" in this situation and protected each other. Instead, all sides decided to do what is best for them from a business and PR standpoint. I don't begrudge the Blazers for trying to win the PR battle nor am I upset at Dame for it.

At the end of the day, if you break a rule, you are ultimately responsible in my eyes. I don't bend that logic based on who I'm rooting for, which in this case is the Blazers over Dame.
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I don’t think the blazers ever threw Dame under the bus.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I don’t think the blazers ever threw Dame under the bus.
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You're entitled to that opinion.

I don't think either side threw the other under the bus. I do think both sides said or leaked things in an attempt to tilt the narrative in their favor.
 
Tince said:
You're entitled to that opinion.

I don't think either side threw the other under the bus. I do think both sides said or leaked things in an attempt to tilt the narrative in their favor.
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The Blazers just said and leaked factual info while Dame's and Miami's side said and leaked false and inflammatory lies.

Out of respect for Dame's professional behavior for so long I'm giving him a pass. I assume he just listened to bad advice. This whole problem was due to a toxic agent.
 
Phatguysrule said:
The Blazers just said and leaked factual info while Dame's and Miami's side said and leaked false and inflammatory lies.

Out of respect for Dame's professional behavior for so long I'm giving him a pass. I assume he just listened to bad advice. This whole problem was due to a toxic agent.
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Saying the Blazers tried to tank at the end of the season is a false inflammatory lie? That's the topic we were discussing.
 
Tince said:
You're entitled to that opinion.

I don't think either side threw the other under the bus. I do think both sides said or leaked things in an attempt to tilt the narrative in their favor.
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What did the Blazers leak to make Dame look bad?
 
SharpesTriumph said:
I don't believe this is correct. In that case the Blazers own pick would be a lottery pick and only swapped with Milwaukee if they had a higher lottery pick.
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If we are lottery bound in 24, 25, 26, 27, but finish with the 16th pick in 28 and Milwaukee has the first pick, our pick goes to the Bulls and there is no swap
 
Natebishop3 said:
What did the Blazers leak to make Dame look bad?
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I didn't say either side leaked things to make the other side look bad. I said they leaked/presented things to turn the PR battle in their favor, without regard to the impact of the other side.
 
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