I don't think we'll drop Brandon Roy

[Rastapopoulos]

A lot of Roy/Oden jerseys are on clearance at the Blazer's store FWIW.

So Paul Allen has (a) personally decided to get rid of Roy and Oden (because there's no GM to do it) and (b) personally got on the 'phone to the Blazers store to tell them to mark down the jerseys, but NOT TO ASK HIM WHY?

I'm convinced!

 

[Weav]

I'm not convinced that Brandon is shot as a player. I haven't read a single article by any one who's seen the x-rays that indicates his condition is truly bone-on-bone, it's all speculation by NBA 'experts'. He's had a long off season to sit, rest and hopefully adjust his game to any physical limitations he has. I'm not suggesting he's our old all-star Roy, but I am suggesting using the amnesty clause without seeing what he's got isn't prudent.

 

[Blazinaway]

I'm not convinced that Brandon is shot as a player. I haven't read a single article by any one who's seen the x-rays that indicates his condition is truly bone-on-bone, it's all speculation by NBA 'experts'. He's had a long off season to sit, rest and hopefully adjust his game to any physical limitations he has. I'm not suggesting he's our old all-star Roy, but I am suggesting using the amnesty clause without seeing what he's got isn't prudent.

It seems to me it is an acknowledged fact that he is bone on bone in both knees, this IMO is not in dispute.

 

[Weav]

It seems to me it is an acknowledged fact that he is bone on bone in both knees, this IMO is not in dispute.

That is the consensus here on the forum, but I'd love to see a source for that opinion, from a qualified professional that has seen the x-rays. Is that too much to ask?

Hope springs eternal in the human breast;
Man never Is, but always To be blest:
The soul, uneasy and confin'd from home,
Rests and expatiates in a life to come.

 

[illmatic99]

All I know is, I'd hate to see Brandon drop 18 points in the 4th quarter for the Lakers or Bulls while they stop all over Portland.

 

[ABM]

The one thing about those very good players is that they all play a polar opposite style than Roy does.

Therein, lies the key point in this almost dilemma. "Almost" being the operative word in light of the so-called amnesty clause.

 

[oldmangrouch]

Paul Allen can worry about the money.....I am more concerned with the idea of having a crippled ex-star in denial throwing his ego around the locker-room.

There is also the "Nate" factor. I have visions of him playing Roy starters minutes and putting up with repeated 4-20 FGs/zero defense performances in the blind hope that he will have a few big games.

 

[Blazinaway]

That is the consensus here on the forum, but I'd love to see a source for that opinion, from a qualified professional that has seen the x-rays. Is that too much to ask?

Hope springs eternal in the human breast;
Man never Is, but always To be blest:
The soul, uneasy and confin'd from home,
Rests and expatiates in a life to come.

It took me 15 seconds to google and find this:

"The Portland Trailblazers star – who inked a 5-year extension last August that could be worth about $80 million – is playing in considerable pain. He has no cartilage in his knees. “The problem is bone-on-bone there. Dr. Roberts calls it ‘arthritic knee.’ It’s just something I’m going to have to deal with for the rest of my career,” Roy said matter-of-factly. It sounds like dreaded microfracture surgery is an option, perhaps in the offseason. For now, Roy, who is averaging 19.7 ppg -will take anti-inflammatory medication.


Seems that both Roy and Dr Roberts agree?

 

[Blazinaway]

It took me 15 seconds to google and find this:

"The Portland Trailblazers star – who inked a 5-year extension last August that could be worth about $80 million – is playing in considerable pain. He has no cartilage in his knees. “The problem is bone-on-bone there. Dr. Roberts calls it ‘arthritic knee.’ It’s just something I’m going to have to deal with for the rest of my career,” Roy said matter-of-factly. It sounds like dreaded microfracture surgery is an option, perhaps in the offseason. For now, Roy, who is averaging 19.7 ppg -will take anti-inflammatory medication.


Seems that both Roy and Dr Roberts agree?

Here's more, it is FACT not fiction or some fabrication of this board.

http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/2010/11/no-meniscus-left-in-brandon-roys-knees/

 

[Mediocre Man]

Here's more, it is FACT not fiction or some fabrication of this board.

http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/2010/11/no-meniscus-left-in-brandon-roys-knees/

Its' always going to be fiction to those who don't want to believe it

 

[Blazinaway]

Its' always going to be fiction to those who don't want to believe it

I know, can't believe someone in here is really questioning whether he is bone on bone when both ROY and his Dr Roberts say it and it has never been denied. LOL

 

[Weav]

Fair enough, that's the part I missed, thanks for the finding.

However, I will say that arthritic knee implies a variety of conditions. I don't doubt there is a huge problem in there, but it's Roy saying it's bone-on-bone, not Roberts. In the Oregonian article it was Roy giving second hand information from Roberts. If it was truly bone-on-bone, how could he walk or run at all? Arthritic knee doesn't automatically equal no meniscus. I realize this is all very pedantic, but I can't imagine he could play rec league basketball if it was truly zero meniscus, actual bone-on-bone.

http://www.oregonlive.com/blazers/index.ssf/2010/11/blazers_insider_no_surgery_for.html

 

[Mediocre Man]

Fair enough, that's the part I missed, thanks for the finding.

However, I will say that arthritic knee implies a variety of conditions. I don't doubt there is a huge problem in there, but it's Roy saying it's bone-on-bone, not Roberts. In the Oregonian article it was Roy giving second hand information from Roberts. If it was truly bone-on-bone, how could he walk or run at all? Arthritic knee doesn't automatically equal no meniscus. I realize this is all very pedantic, but I can't imagine he could play rec league basketball if it was truly zero meniscus, actual bone-on-bone.

http://www.oregonlive.com/blazers/index.ssf/2010/11/blazers_insider_no_surgery_for.html

It's a little different, but DeJuan Blair has no ACL's in either knee

 

[PapaG]

It's a little different, but DeJuan Blair has no ACL's in either knee

...and DeJuan Blair went from a "steal" to completely out of the Spurs rotation in the playoffs.

 

[Weav]

I know, can't believe someone in here is really questioning whether he is bone on bone when both ROY and his Dr Roberts say it and it has never been denied. LOL

In the Oregonian article, Roy says that Roberts called it arthritic knee. Roy says it's bone-on-bone, no meniscus. Not Roberts, Roy. That is not the same as Roberts saying it. I'm fully admitting I forgot about the article, and maybe the lockout blinded me a bit. But we're basing this all on an article where Roy explains he condition, not the actual doctor...just sayin'.

 

[illmatic99]

Have there been any players who have played bone on bone?

I found this: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1018409/index.htm

At 33, injury-plagued Tim Hardaway struggles to prove he can lead Miami to a title

It is Feb. 17, and Heat point guard Tim Hardaway is leading the three-on-two fast break against the Bulls. In the old days, when he was healthy and a perennial All-Star, Hardaway would have streaked past the defenders and laid the ball in. But on this night there is no burst of speed. Hardaway's wing players, Jamal Mashburn and Voshon Lenard, catch up to him. So does the Chicago defense. There will be no basket, only further evidence that Tim Hardaway is not right.

In December 1993 Hardaway had surgery to repair a torn ACL in his left knee. Six months later he had a bone spur removed from his right knee, which had no cartilage left after he had surgery in college to remove a cyst. Last spring Hardaway averaged 36.4 minutes in the first round of the playoffs despite a cartilage tear in the left knee, and he was ripped for shooting just 26.8% against the Knicks, who eliminated the Heat in five games. This season, through Sunday, Hardaway had missed seven weeks with a jammed right knee that led to a pinched right hamstring.

For the 33-year-old Hardaway, who will be a free agent this summer and has been hoping for a huge payday, there could hardly be a worse time to have his health questioned. But Miami has made a first-round exit from the playoffs each of the past two years, and mere are no rewards for that, not even for a guy who four years ago signed a contract loaded with incentives instead of guaranteed cash so the Heat could pursue free agents Juwan Howard and P.J. Brown. Hardaway knows that unless Miami goes to the Finals, the team could be dismantled, starting with him.

 

[Blazinaway]

Fair enough, that's the part I missed, thanks for the finding.

However, I will say that arthritic knee implies a variety of conditions. I don't doubt there is a huge problem in there, but it's Roy saying it's bone-on-bone, not Roberts. In the Oregonian article it was Roy giving second hand information from Roberts. If it was truly bone-on-bone, how could he walk or run at all? Arthritic knee doesn't automatically equal no meniscus. I realize this is all very pedantic, but I can't imagine he could play rec league basketball if it was truly zero meniscus, actual bone-on-bone.

http://www.oregonlive.com/blazers/index.ssf/2010/11/blazers_insider_no_surgery_for.html

because there is another kind of cartilage on the knee called "articular" that covers the bone ends, that can get worn down as well and not having any meniscus cartilage only accelerates the "articular" degeneration. Roy for a while was able to play effectively without his meniscus cartilage but now his "last line" of defense is being worn out and it becomes true bone on bone and there is no escape from that - the more he plays the worse it will get. Why do I know so much about this? - I'm over 50 with 3 knee surgeries and considering a knee replacement because one of my knees is bone on bone, so I have researched the crap out of it.

 

[illmatic99]

And this: http://www.yardbarker.com/nba/articles/kobe_bryant_i_have_almost_no_cartilage_in_my_knee/3923441

Kobe appeared to know exactly what was ailing his two-time defending team. Minutes after being manhandled by the Heat, he pronounced he was going to “kick [butt] at practice . . . and beat it into their heads. It was time to get the team focused.”

Which brings us to the crux of my inquiry. How did Kobe propose to pull that off, a Lakers’ legionnaire wondered, “when he hasn’t practiced the whole season (something no member of LA’s press has called him out on)?”

Is that true, I asked Kobe?

“Yeah.”

Why?

“Because I have very little cartilage under my right knee cap, it’s almost bone on bone.”

 

[ABM]

fwiw

http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/11/15/1816820/brandon-roy-does-not-have-bone-on-bone-knee-arthritis

 

[Nikolokolus]

Given that Amnestying Roy won't get us under the salary cap, speed-dialling Crawford would result in a very quick conversation.

That's my thought. I think the key with Roy isn't that the Blazers are stuck in a situation of having to do it right now for financial reasons or if they don't do it now they lose it, it's that the Blazers have to think about fielding a competitive lineup. I'm not sure I agree with Crawford being the player they would want to add (though it's not a bad ide) but this team is woefully thin on the front line outside of Aldridge and big men don't come cheaply; they're going to need that 5 million "under-the-cap" mid-level exception.

Secondly, Roy in the lineup is going to gum up the wing rotation, with his salary and his prior role there's a ton of pressure to give him lots of minutes regardless of production and the more minutes and touches he gets the less time you spend seeing if Nic's newfound aggressiveness in Euroleague play is real or just a flash in the pan.

I won't claim to know what this GM-less team will do with Bert Kolde, Larry Miller and Nate likely making the personnel decisions, but if they have an ounce of long-range vision they need to amnesty him now and commit to re-tooling this roster.

 

[Blazinaway]

That's my thought. I think the key with Roy isn't that the Blazers are stuck in a situation of having to do it right now for financial reasons or if they don't do it now they lose it, it's that the Blazers have to think about fielding a competitive lineup. I'm not sure I agree with Crawford being the player they would want to add (though it's not a bad ide) but this team is woefully thin on the front line outside of Aldridge and big men don't come cheaply; they're going to need that 5 million "under-the-cap" mid-level exception.

Secondly, Roy in the lineup is going to gum up the wing rotation, with his salary and his prior role there's a ton of pressure to give him lots of minutes regardless of production and the more minutes and touches he gets the less time you spend seeing if Nic's newfound aggressiveness in Euroleague play is real or just a flash in the pan.

I won't claim to know what this GM-less team will do with Bert Kolde, Larry Miller and Nate likely making the personnel decisions, but if they have an ounce of long-range vision they need to amnesty him now and commit to re-tooling this roster.

+1, well said

 

[Mediocre Man]

Several back to back to back's


How will Roy do then?

 

[Masbee]

That's my thought. I think the key with Roy isn't that the Blazers are stuck in a situation of having to do it right now for financial reasons or if they don't do it now they lose it, it's that the Blazers have to think about fielding a competitive lineup. I'm not sure I agree with Crawford being the player they would want to add (though it's not a bad ide) but this team is woefully thin on the front line outside of Aldridge and big men don't come cheaply; they're going to need that 5 million "under-the-cap" mid-level exception.

Secondly, Roy in the lineup is going to gum up the wing rotation, with his salary and his prior role there's a ton of pressure to give him lots of minutes regardless of production and the more minutes and touches he gets the less time you spend seeing if Nic's newfound aggressiveness in Euroleague play is real or just a flash in the pan.

I won't claim to know what this GM-less team will do with Bert Kolde, Larry Miller and Nate likely making the personnel decisions, but if they have an ounce of long-range vision they need to amnesty him now and commit to re-tooling this roster.

But who in the hell currently working for the Blazers in a position of power is going to take the heat for sending Brandon Roy to the Lakers?

Anybody?

Only Paul Allen can make that call.

And even then, he might fire Miller or whomever, after Roy drops 30 on us in purple and piss in the rose garden.

"Larry, you should have talked me out of it. Get the fuck out!"

 

[Carlito]

How I view the current situation.

Is this current roster a top 8 seed in the west? Is playoffs the goal?Is 2nd rd a goal?

If the Blazers answer yes, then they will roll the dice on roy.

If no, then they will likely waive him before season begins.

 

[tlongII]

This is definitely a top 8 team. If Oden comes back healthy then we'll contend for the title.

 

[Blazinaway]

But who in the hell currently working for the Blazers in a position of power is going to take the heat for sending Brandon Roy to the Lakers?

Anybody?

Only Paul Allen can make that call.

And even then, he might fire Miller or whomever, after Roy drops 30 on us in purple and piss in the rose garden.

"Larry, you should have talked me out of it. Get the fuck out!"

who gives a flyin F, PA and Vulcan seem to be making the calls anyway, given the significance of this one (Roy) I am sure they would make the call whether or not we had a GM

 

[Blazinaway]

This is definitely a top 8 team. If Oden comes back healthy then we'll contend for the title.

Oden? A year after MF he's not even cleared for basketball activities, counting on Oden is like counting on Obama to cut spending

 

[THE HCP]

How I view the current situation.

Is this current roster a top 8 seed in the west? Is playoffs the goal?Is 2nd rd a goal?

If the Blazers answer yes, then they will roll the dice on roy.

If no, then they will likely waive him before season begins.

You obviously didn't read the forum rules! You aren't allowed to post until you've been around for at least 2 months! This is your first and only warning!

 

[SnakeOiler]

Why aren't we in rebuilding mode yet? This is team hasn't been close to getting out of the first round, we have an extremely high payroll, as well as two "cornerstones" being permanently slowed by injuries.

Rebuilding is not the same as blowing up. Aldridge, Wallace, Batum, Felton and possibly Nolan Smith according to pizza guy to build around. The one thing about those very good players is that they all play a polar opposite style than Roy does.

Always crying about something

 

[RoyToy]

All I know is, I'd hate to see Brandon drop 18 points in the 4th quarter for the Lakers or Bulls while they stop all over Portland.

Unless Roy turns himself into a better off the ball player I don't see him having a great impact for another team. He'd most likely struggle a lot trying to find a role as a role player.

Also remember, he's most likely to get/feel worse the more he plays.S o in theory the longer he plays, it's less likely he'll provide a big impact.

Roy at best will have 1 really good game for every 5-6 games he plays on a different team imo.