I don't think we'll drop Brandon Roy

[Brock]

Update: Katy Brown of KATU.com has a similar report...
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The Portland Trail Blazers are reportedly planning to part ways with Brandon Roy. An NBA league source told KATU’s Katy Brown that Roy has likely played his last game in a Blazers uniform and the word is out around the league that Roy will soon be on the market. The team plans to waive Roy under the "amnesty clause" that is part of the new NBA labor agreement, which is expected to be passed later this week.

A league executive from another NBA team told Brown the decision came straight from Trail Blazers owner Paul Allen.
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Update: Jason Quick of The Oregonian plays good cop to the bad cop reports.
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Blazers guard Brandon Roy has been working out mornings at UW with other NBA players and has reported no setbacks w/knees. Why would GM from another team say he knows the Blazers' plans on Roy? Probably b/c it's the same GM who has long tried to sabotage the team. I'm not buying that the Blazers have already made a decision on Roy. It may end up being the wise business move, but why not take a look?
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Marc Stein of ESPN.com kicked off this most recent, intensifying round of Amnesty Clause chatter last night.

A few notes: If Roy is waived, Portland would be left with seven players on the roster -- including Earl Barron -- who have played more than 82 NBA games.

Their projected bench rotation would be: Nicolas Batum, whoever they sign with the Mid-Level Exception, Nolan Smith, Chris Johnson and... stop me when this gets too painful.

 

[barfo]

Update: Katy Brown of KATU.com has a similar report...
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The Portland Trail Blazers are reportedly planning to part ways with Brandon Roy. An NBA league source told KATU’s Katy Brown that Roy has likely played his last game in a Blazers uniform and the word is out around the league that Roy will soon be on the market. The team plans to waive Roy under the "amnesty clause" that is part of the new NBA labor agreement, which is expected to be passed later this week.

A league executive from another NBA team told Brown the decision came straight from Trail Blazers owner Paul Allen.
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Update: Jason Quick of The Oregonian plays good cop to the bad cop reports.
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Blazers guard Brandon Roy has been working out mornings at UW with other NBA players and has reported no setbacks w/knees. Why would GM from another team say he knows the Blazers' plans on Roy? Probably b/c it's the same GM who has long tried to sabotage the team. I'm not buying that the Blazers have already made a decision on Roy. It may end up being the wise business move, but why not take a look?
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Marc Stein of ESPN.com kicked off this most recent, intensifying round of Amnesty Clause chatter last night.

A few notes: If Roy is waived, Portland would be left with seven players on the roster -- including Earl Barron -- who have played more than 82 NBA games.

Their projected bench rotation would be: Nicolas Batum, whoever they sign with the Mid-Level Exception, Nolan Smith, Chris Johnson and... stop me when this gets too painful.

Earl Barron is on our roster?

barfo

 

[Nikolokolus]

Keep him, cut him, whatever. I don't even care at this point.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Hmm, does Freeland have any kind of buy-out?

Not only is this roster thin it lacks talent.

More depressing: 130+ days of the lockout or this Blazer roster in the short-term and long-term?

 

[Brock]

Not good. Looking at that bench, how can they cut roy?

 

[PapaG]

Not good. Looking at that bench, how can they cut roy?

That's been my point for over a year now. Roy and LMA are the only two players on the team that can demand a double-team and can create their own offense. Having Roy, even if it's off the bench, is crucial this year. Trading Bayless was the worst decision of the Cho era, IMO. Had they kept Bayless, he could have been a mini-Roy off of the bench.

 

[Nikolokolus]

That's been my point for over a year now. Roy and LMA are the only two players on the team that can demand a double-team and can create their own offense. Having Roy, even if it's off the bench, is crucial this year. Trading Bayless was the worst decision of the Cho era, IMO. Had they kept Bayless, he could have been a mini-Roy off of the bench.

Roy doesn't command a double team anymore ... he may get a double team, but the days of him actually beating that double team efficiently and regularly are in the rearview mirror.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

You'd think that one of the richest men in the world would be able to achieve slightly better P.R....

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Not that I believe Canzano, but you've got to wonder what Nate thinks about this. In fact, you've got to wonder what Nate thinks of the whole Trail Blazers organization. He's about the only ounce of class it's got left.

 

[PapaG]

Paul and Bert (Kolde) are calling the shots on this one."
http://www.oregonlive.com/sports/or...sf/2011/11/canzano_blazers_appear_set_to.html

Hi there. How ya doin'?

 

[PapaG]

Roy doesn't command a double team anymore ... he may get a double team, but the days of him actually beating that double team efficiently and regularly are in the rearview mirror.

Roy did get a double-team after his explosion against Dallas. The stiffs on the court with him, outside of LMA, have no prayer of doing the same. Dallas geared their defense to stop Roy, and it worked. We're looking at no playoffs this year, IMO, if Roy is let go.

 

[Brock]

I was excited the lockout had ended, but harsh reality is this current bench is very sobering if you are a blazer fan. Sobering as in a cop waking you up in your car after you passed out.

 

[Nikolokolus]

Roy did get a double-team after his explosion against Dallas. The stiffs on the court with him, outside of LMA, have no prayer of doing the same. Dallas geared their defense to stop Roy, and it worked. We're looking at no playoffs this year, IMO, if Roy is let go.

And after that miraculous outburst what happened? Roy did most of his damage in that game with the Dallas defense not doubling him, not trying to commit extra defenders until it was so far into his run that they'd pretty much abandoned all momentum and lost their edge.

 

[RoyToy]

Anyone else think the decision should be made for training camp opens?

Can you imagine bringing him in, he plays 3-4 days, and then the team cuts him?

I think if he makes it to training camp he won't be cut this year. More of a hunch on my part, though.

 

[Nikolokolus]

Anyone else think the decision should be made for training camp opens?

Can you imagine bringing him in, he plays 3-4 days, and then the team cuts him?

I think if he makes it to training camp he won't be cut this year. More of a hunch on my part, though.

I'd like to say that it would be impossible for Bert/Allen/Larry to let something that foolish happen ... and then I just remembered who I'm talking about.

 

[RoyToy]

And honestly, one more outburst from Roy saying he's struggling because he doesn't know his role or he's not getting enough touches/minutes isn't going to go over well.

 

[PapaG]

And after that miraculous outburst what happened?

Nobody else on the team outside of LMA showed they could score one on one. Do you remember that series? Dallas isn't even a good defensive team, and they shut down the Blazers.

Batum was terrible, LMA was adequate, Miller had two decent games, and outside of Roy, that series is a sweep.

I suppose I don't mind cutting Roy if it means this team admits they're in a rebuild mode, and the fans on this board accept that they won't make the playoffs.

 

[PapaG]

And honestly, one more outburst from Roy saying he's struggling because he doesn't know his role or he's not getting enough touches/minutes isn't going to go over well.

Roy accepted his diminished role last season. Cutting him without even watching him isn't going to go over well, either, considering how he basically saved this franchise and its worthless owner (and the worthless owner's cronies).

 

[RoyToy]

Roy accepted his diminished role last season. Cutting him without even watching him isn't going to go over well, either, considering how he basically saved this franchise and its worthless owner (and the worthless owner's cronies).

Not buying buy that. I think he just kept quiet more than anything, until after game 2 against the Mavs of course where he played like 5mins and let everyone know it.

Not saying he's a bad guy here, but he's still in a little bit of a state of denial. If he were to once again call into question how he's being used it won't be pretty.

 

[Nikolokolus]

Nobody else on the team outside of LMA showed they could score one on one. Do you remember that series? Dallas isn't even a good defensive team, and they shut down the Blazers.

Batum was terrible, LMA was adequate, Miller had two decent games, and outside of Roy, that series is a sweep.

I suppose I don't mind cutting Roy if it means this team admits they're in a rebuild mode, and the fans on this board accept that they won't make the playoffs.

I don't think they make the playoffs with him or without him. So in that case they might as well save themselves some money and see if they have anything at all worth investing in long term in Nicolas and Felton and even guys like Smith and Williams. Roy is certainly more accomplished and has a nicer resume' than any of our other bench depth, but whatever he's going to add to this team is going to be marginal.

 

[RoyToy]

I don't think they make the playoffs with him or without him. So in that case they might as well save themselves some money and see if they have anything at all worth investing in long term in Nicolas and Felton and even guys like Smith and Williams. Roy is certainly more accomplished and has a nicer resume' than any of our other bench depth, but whatever he's going to add to this team is going to be marginal.

Starting early this year, eh?

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

especially if Oden is signed which puts is over the tax threshold, then every dollar of Roy's contract is doubled, so his real cost is twice as much. I can't believe mgmt would pay 30 mil (prorated at 66/82)) to "see" how his knees are, unless he can still be waived later in the season and he still comes off the 2011/2012 books.

This.

Roy is gone.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

There is no way that Roy's knees can handle back to back to back games so he's pretty much going to be a part time player.

But the question is if we dump him we gain the full $5mill MLE. Will that (hopefully full time) player contribute more over the course of a season than a part time Roy?

 

[Nikolokolus]

Starting early this year, eh?

I'm just going off of a few key points:
A brand new point guard with little familiarity with his new team
A brand new point guard who played his best ball in an uptempo system ...
No big-man depth to speak of
a really thin bench
A crappy schedule because most of our road games are going to involve a lot of travel.
A coach with a roster built to run, but also a coach who's shown no desire to let his team play that way at any point in his coaching career.
Oden will be ready when exactly?
LMA had a career year ... does that mean regression to the mean?

That adds up to a lot of question marks and not much that I would want to bank on in a fairly competitive Western Conference. I'm not saying they can't make it, but I'd put the odds at 40%

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

That's been my point for over a year now. Roy and LMA are the only two players on the team that can demand a double-team and can create their own offense. Having Roy, even if it's off the bench, is crucial this year. Trading Bayless was the worst decision of the Cho era, IMO. Had they kept Bayless, he could have been a mini-Roy off of the bench.

Roy demands a double team???????

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!

OK, I know you were joking. He can't drive past my grandmother. He can't even dunk anymore. Granted, he knows how to get open for a set (jump?) shot and he can still shoot, but 75% of his game has circled the bowl and is floating out to sea.

Double team. That's rich.

 

[illmatic99]

But the question is if we dump him we gain the full $5mill MLE. Will that (hopefully full time) player contribute more over the course of a season than a part time Roy?

Or what happens if we dump Roy, get the $5mil MLE, and make an offer for a player only to get rejected and get nothing for Roy in return? It wouldn't be the first time a FA rejected us.

 

[RoyToy]

I'm just going off of a few key points:
A brand new point guard with little familiarity with his new team
A brand new point guard who played his best ball in an uptempo system ...
No big-man depth to speak of
a really thin bench
A crappy schedule because most of our road games are going to involve a lot of travel.
A coach with a roster built to run, but also a coach who's shown no desire to let his team play that way at any point in his coaching career.
Oden will be ready when exactly?
LMA had a career year ... does that mean regression to the mean?

That adds up to a lot of question marks and not much that I would want to bank on in a fairly competitive Western Conference. I'm not saying they can't make it, but I'd put the odds at 40%

Sounds exactly like last year except for the PG part.

Hell, last year at one point Camby was out with an injury and a 70% at best Przbyilla was the starter. Also, Gerald Wallace for the whole year.

You're the board's Negative Nancy though so it's not like I expected any different. Someone has to assume that role.

 

[Nikolokolus]

Sounds exactly like last year except for the PG part.

Hell, last year at one point Camby was out with an injury and a 70% at best Przbyilla was the starter. Also, Gerald Wallace for the whole year.

You're the board's Negative Nancy though so it's not like I expected any different. Someone has to assume that role.

Fuck off.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Or what happens if we dump Roy, get the $5mil MLE, and make an offer for a player only to get rejected and get nothing for Roy in return? It wouldn't be the first time a FA rejected us.

The full MLE only goes to teams under the cap. So the glamor destinations can only offer the reduced MLE. Of the teams that can offer the full MLE I think we're just as attractive as any of them.

 

[RoyToy]

Fuck off.

Pretty emotional for a guy that doesn't have a strong interest in this stuff