OT "I'm Dealing With A Few Transgender Issues" (1 Viewer)

[crandc]

Evolution.

 

[ABM]

Evolution.

Neat story.

 

[crandc]

And a true story which makes it neater.

 

[tlongII]

Evolution is supported by a tremendous amount of evidence. What evidence supports the Bible?

 

[Lanny]

Evolution is supported by a tremendous amount of evidence. What evidence supports the Bible?

My heart.

 

[barfo]

OK, if and when I asked you how humans all somehow arrived here on earth...

I guess it's time we talked. You see, when a mommy and a daddy love each other very much...

I'll simply and arbitrarily call you delusional. It's easily done.

Sure, if words don't mean anything, you can also call me a translucent wombat. It's easily done.

barfo

 

[julius]

Evolution is supported by a tremendous amount of evidence. What evidence supports the Bible?

Have fun waiting for something fact based.

 

[ABM]

I guess it's time we talked. You see, when a mommy and a daddy love each other very much...



Sure, if words don't mean anything, you can also call me a translucent wombat. It's easily done.

barfo

Got it. There was mommy and daddy, then there was light.

There are many in here who have referred to you as a translucent wombat. I've disagreed at times when I thought you were pretty solid.

 

[ABM]

You mean how life got started on earth.

How about: “we don’t fucking know yet, but we’d like to find out by learning and expanding our knowledge of the subject instead of being so emotionally fragile and intellectually lazy that we have to delude ourselves into believing that there’s some fucking superbeing with all the answers and everything is already taken care of and planned out for us,” for an answer?

You roll with that.

 

[riverman]

You roll with that.

Is that what they told you when they taught you Noah built a boat that housed a mating pair of all the creatures on the planet ...(even those that hadn't been discovered yet" and then replenished the wildlife on every continent on earth)..Australia, africa, asia, the Americas, the Amazon....sure.....I'm sure he trapped buffalo and polar bears and kangaroos and put them on his ark....you roll with that!

 

[ABM]

Is that what they told you when they taught you Noah built a boat that housed a mating pair of all the creatures on the planet ...(even those that hadn't been discovered yet" and then replenished the wildlife on every continent on earth)..Australia, africa, asia, the Americas, the Amazon....sure.....I'm sure he trapped buffalo and polar bears and kangaroos and put them on his ark....you roll with that!

It sure beats evolution, or what ever that looks like. Get creative, mon!

 

[crandc]

There is no evolution vs creation debate. There is accepting facts, knowing we don't know everything but do know a lot and can keep learning, or anti science denial of fact. On biology, history, epidemiology, and who won 2020 presidential election.

 

[riverman]

It sure beats evolution, or what ever that looks like. Get creative, mon!

So a myth beats something you have no idea of what it even is.......face it dude...your ancestors were one celled boogers that crawled out of the primordial stew called the ocean and grew a tail.....then some eyeballs...then crawled around until they had the bone structure to stand upright...sort of....shocking when you learn you're related to the sponge.

 

[julius]

It sure beats evolution, or what ever that looks like. Get creative, mon!

Hold on, you're actually trying to say that the story of Noah's ark, "beats" evolution?

you mean the story that every animal on the planet (insect, etc) was on a singular boat, and that all of us are alive as a result of incest??

 

[julius]

So a myth beats something you have no idea of what it even is.......face it dude...your ancestors were one celled boogers that crawled out of the primordial stew called the ocean and grew a tail.....then some eyeballs...then crawled around until they had the bone structure to stand upright...sort of....shocking when you learn your related to the sponge.

I'm sure there are people alive who would qualify as one celled booger (eaters), who refuse to take the vaccine, believe MAGA isn't a grift, and voted for the con man.

 

[ABM]

Oh great. Now I have a mental image of ABM, “having a great time hanging with Pericles” testicles.

This place is weird.

I doubt he drinks tea. But, anyway, I digress.

As kind of a funny aside, while we were in Seattle staying at their place, he'd offer me gummy bears every night. I politely declined. But, as the story goes, he had my extremely straight-laced oldest sister laughing her butt every night they were there a few weeks earlier. Pericles (pronounced: Pare-eh-cleze) was the life of the party. He's Portuguese, and part of some high-faluten' royalty family in the Azores and has my extended family convinced we should all retire there. I've mentioned the Azores in here in the past, but we shall see.

 

[Lanny]

I doubt he drinks tea. But, anyway, I digress.

As kind of a funny aside, while we were in Seattle staying at their place, he'd offer me gummy bears every night. I politely declined. But, as the story goes, he had my extremely straight-laced oldest sister laughing her butt every night they were there a few weeks earlier. Pericles (pronounced: Pare-eh-cleze) was the life of the party. He's Portuguese, and part of some high-faluten' royalty family in the Azores and has my extended family convinced we should all retire there. I've mentioned the Azores in here in the past, but we shall see.

Hey that's a coincidence that his name is pronounced the same as the famous Greek. "Pericles was an Athenian statesman who played a large role in developing democracy in Athens and helped make it the political and cultural center of ancient Greece."

 

[ABM]

My heart.

Exactly. I was a partying, hedonistic atheist.........until I had a change of heart. And I didn't need scientific evidence. It was a complete personal about-face experience, in the course of one evening, in the comfort of my home. Then, soon after, when personal, non-coincidental miracles began happening in my life, there was a tremendous substantiation that I had made the absolute right decision.

That was in 1989 and I've never looked back since.

 

[crandc]

I became a committed atheist at 13. Not only was there no evidence for the god of Torah, the concept contradicted all the science I knew. Became more convinced over the years. Religion strikes me as so dull. I remember when Bill Nye debated Ken Holm. Every time Nye was asked a question to which answer is not yet known, because for some weird reason anti science people think if they can get someone to say I don't know they have not only disproven 150 years if biology, they have proven bible literally correct, Nye said we don't yet know so let's go find out. Ham would say a book written 2000 years ago has all the answers. Like nothing has been learned in 2000 years and nothing can be. What a dreary world.

 

[ABM]

What a dreary world.

Say what you'd like. I've never had such a more fun and fulfilled had since becoming a Christian. Freedom in Christ is fascinating.

 

[crandc]

I read The Mind of God by Francis Collins a few years back. It came in a package with The God Delusion by Richard Dawkins. I did not expect Collins to convince me. But he is a genuine scientist, director of National Institute of Health, and evangelical Christian so I was curious about how he balanced the two. So disappointing. His best arguments were no different from what I got from intelligent high school students and some based on entirely false premises (he claims there is a universal moral code across cultures so it must have divine origin; what is considered moral and otherwise varies enormously across cultures). But where he really revolted me was when he talked about his daughter being raped while she was in medical school by a man who broke into her apartment in the middle of the night. He describes eloquently her hysterical phone call at 2 AM, her years of flashbacks and nightmares, his own rage. The rapist was never caught. Like many believers he asked the question how could a god allow such evil? Some get around it by saying their god gave us free will to do good or evil which strikes me as a cop-out. But Collins said that he, like all parents, wanted to protect his daughter and maybe this was god's way of telling him he could not keep evil from her. I mean, what kind of vile god would arrange for a woman to be raped to take down her father's pride a notch? Also it gave her more compassion for other rape victims, you know, the ones god sent rapists to. Puke.

 

[julius]

I became a committed atheist at 13. Not only was there no evidence for the god of Torah, the concept contradicted all the science I knew. Became more convinced over the years. Religion strikes me as so dull. I remember when Bill Nye debated Ken Holm. Every time Nye was asked a question to which answer is not yet known, because for some weird reason anti science people think if they can get someone to say I don't know they have not only disproven 150 years if biology, they have proven bible literally correct, Nye said we don't yet know so let's go find out. Ham would say a book written 2000 years ago has all the answers. Like nothing has been learned in 2000 years and nothing can be. What a dreary world.

What boggles my mind is that a book that was written a long ass time ago, yet we're supposed to take it as gospel (no pun intended) based on the illiterate minds of the time it was written? Ignoring that if there is an "all knowing" God, why haven't they pretty much updated their terms of service in 2000 years? Why didn't they know that mixing fabrics isn't a big deal, among the other things in the bible that we've learned is silly?

Why are we basing anything on a book that was written by men (in power) to subjugate women and other people? Why haven't we learned anything new (like you said) in allllllll that time, and maybe updated the book? Why hasn't God been like "Hey guys, I'm going to release the updated version"?

You know, one that acknowledges more than just the middle east? Wouldn't an all knowing being have said something, anything, about people outside of area? Like, in South America, North America, or maybe mention something about the other planets (outside of "hey, I created the heaven and earth..")?

The argument is that the bible wasn't about everything, just what was important at the time...well, in 2000 years, why hasn't there been anything else done? Why is it that most of the bibles lessons (etc) are written/informed from people who want to control people?

 

[noknobs]

Evolution is obviously fact. Arguing against it is the same as arguing the world is flat. The argument that since science doesn’t know precisely how life originated means religion (at least their specific religion) is therefore legit, forgets that we didn’t even know about evolution until around 250 years ago and it’s only been about 70 years since the concept of natural selection became universally accepted. Human knowledge also evolves. How can someone say with a straight-face that since scientists don’t have it all figured out in 2021, that somehow people thousands of years ago must have had it all figured out??? You know, the same people who thought the sun revolves around earth, who didn’t know those lights in the sky were other stars with their own planets. They’d never heard of DNA, electricity, chemistry (not alchemy), genetics, etc., but apparently they knew how the earth was created and why, the meaning of life, and what happens after we die. In fact, they knew so much that if you disagreed with them you’re a sinner, a heretic, and you deserve to die in painful and creative ways. So please give them money and everlasting submission to their authority.

I’m agnostic, and if every other person was truthful with themselves they’d be agnostic too. It’s the I-don’t-fucking-know category. It’s not an accident that there are so many varying religions, the roots of which are almost purely geographical. Because nobody fucking knows.

I don’t know if there’s a higher power, if there’s even a reason for anything to exist - there doesn’t need to be - but I’m pretty confident in saying that every single man-created religion doesn’t have the slightest idea either. The very concept of another human, who has never died, telling you what happens after you die, is so amazingly stupid that I pity people who revolve their entire lives around what the science-fiction writers of two thousand years ago wrote.

People love to say that their lives have changed for the better since they became religious, as if that’s evidence. Many peoples lives have also changed for the better since they left religion as well, it doesn’t mean anything. Simply because something good happened in your life doesn’t mean that you now know the meaning of life, how the universe was created and what happens after we die. I mean, how do you even make that leap in thinking? Good things happen to scientologist after they join as well but I suppose that’s stupid. Think of all the religious people in this world right now who are going through hell - Covid, Haiti, Afghanistan, etc. Why are they any different than you?



Religion is the very height of hypocrisy, narcissism and self-importance. To the point I find it offensive.

 

[ABM]

Religion is the very height of hypocrisy, narcissism and self-importance. To the point I find it offensive.

I highly dislike religion, too. So did Jesus.

 

[julius]

I'M TOP POSTING, WHAT OF IT!!??!

Er, I mean, this is really a well thought out response. Especially the part I bolded.

Evolution is obviously fact. Arguing against it is the same as arguing the world is flat. The argument that since science doesn’t know precisely how life originated means religion (at least their specific religion) is therefore legit, forgets that we didn’t even know about evolution until around 250 years ago and it’s only been about 70 years since the concept of natural selection became universally accepted. Human knowledge also evolves. How can someone say with a straight-face that since scientists don’t have it all figured out in 2021, that somehow people thousands of years ago must have had it all figured out??? You know, the same people who thought the sun revolves around earth, who didn’t know those lights in the sky were other stars with their own planets. They’d never heard of DNA, electricity, chemistry (not alchemy), genetics, etc., but apparently they knew how the earth was created and why, the meaning of life, and what happens after we die. In fact, they knew so much that if you disagreed with them you’re a sinner, a heretic, and you deserve to die in painful and creative ways. So please give them money and everlasting submission to their authority.

I’m agnostic, and if every other person was truthful with themselves they’d be agnostic too. It’s the I-don’t-fucking-know category. It’s not an accident that there are so many varying religions, the roots of which are almost purely geographical. Because nobody fucking knows.

I don’t know if there’s a higher power, if there’s even a reason for anything to exist - there doesn’t need to be - but I’m pretty confident in saying that every single man-created religion doesn’t have the slightest idea either. The very concept of another human, who has never died, telling you what happens after you die, is so amazingly stupid that I pity people who revolve their entire lives around what the science-fiction writers of two thousand years ago wrote.

People love to say that their lives have changed for the better since they became religious, as if that’s evidence. Many peoples lives have also changed for the better since they left religion as well, it doesn’t mean anything. Simply because something good happened in your life doesn’t mean that you now know the meaning of life, how the universe was created and what happens after we die. I mean, how do you even make that leap in thinking? Good things happen to scientologist after they join as well but I suppose that’s stupid. Think of all the religious people in this world right now who are going through hell - Covid, Haiti, Afghanistan, etc. Why are they any different than you?



Religion is the very height of hypocrisy, narcissism and self-importance. To the point I find it offensive.

 

[noknobs]

I highly dislike religion, too. So did Jesus.

You literally just wrote, "Say what you'd like. I've never had such a more fun and fulfilled had since becoming a Christian. Freedom in Christ is fascinating."

 

[riverman]

Exactly. I was a partying, hedonistic atheist.........until I had a change of heart. And I didn't need scientific evidence. It was a complete personal about-face experience, in the course of one evening, in the comfort of my home. Then, soon after, when personal, non-coincidental miracles began happening in my life, there was a tremendous substantiation that I had made the absolute right decision.

That was in 1989 and I've never looked back since.

you could accomplish the same bliss with a simple frontal lobotomy...erasing the part of the brain that solves issues....the lobotomy solves them all for you...just like Jesus ghost!

 

[ABM]

You literally just wrote, "Say what you'd like. I've never had such a more fun and fulfilled had since becoming a Christian. Freedom in Christ is fascinating."

Strict religion is not a relationship with Christ. See: Pharisees.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woes_of_the_Pharisees

 

[noknobs]

Strict religion is not a relationship with Christ. See: Pharisees.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woes_of_the_Pharisees

Christianity is a religion.

 

[ABM]

Christianity is a religion.

Not to nok you, nobs...but there are clear delineations.