Politics Immigrants and refugees (1 Viewer)

[Sedatedfork]

Still a head scratcher. The ban is against the same countries there already is a ban on. No more were added. A billion muslims are not banned at all.

That this is a muslim ban of any sort is a huge reach.

Easy. Pick the countries listed in the earlier Act by Obama. That way they can disclaim any anti-Muslim intent and make it seem legal. They will probably broaden it later.

 

[Sedatedfork]

Listen to him in his own words. "This is not a ban based on religion, it's a ban on places..."

Again, if they wanted to ban muslims, the ban would have to include many other countries, including Russia, where 1B muslims live.

Exactly. They took a bigoted request and tried to make it legal.

 

[blue32]

Easy. Pick the countries listed in the earlier Act by Obama. That way they can disclaim any anti-Muslim intent and make it seem legal. They will probably broaden it later.

So what were your thoughts on Obama's 2015 Terrorist Travel Prevention Act?

 

[SlyPokerDog]

So what were your thoughts on Obama's 2015 Terrorist Travel Prevention Act?

I was outraged so to protest I only voted for Hillary 33 times instead of my planned 42.

 

[Denny Crane]

http://www.christiantoday.com/artic...y.killed.in.front.of.their.families/99307.htm

At Least 1,131 Christians Martyred by ISIS in Middle East: Many Killed in Front of Their Families

According to their report based on documented cases, between 2003 and June 9, 2014, at least 1,131 Christians – identified by name and place of death – had been murdered by ISIS, according to CNS News.

During that same period, the report said at least 125 Christian churches were also attacked or destroyed by ISIS. They include Saint George Church in Mosul, which was blown up on March 9, 2015; Virgin Mary Chaldean Church, which was attacked by car bomb on June 9, 2008; and the Armenian Church in Mosul, burned on Jan. 25, 2015.

More Christians were reportedly murdered by ISIS militants in 2015 and 2016, but the names and places of death of the victims have yet to be compiled in one document, CNS News reported.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

http://www.christiantoday.com/artic...y.killed.in.front.of.their.families/99307.htm

At Least 1,131 Christians Martyred by ISIS in Middle East: Many Killed in Front of Their Families

According to their report based on documented cases, between 2003 and June 9, 2014, at least 1,131 Christians – identified by name and place of death – had been murdered by ISIS, according to CNS News.

During that same period, the report said at least 125 Christian churches were also attacked or destroyed by ISIS. They include Saint George Church in Mosul, which was blown up on March 9, 2015; Virgin Mary Chaldean Church, which was attacked by car bomb on June 9, 2008; and the Armenian Church in Mosul, burned on Jan. 25, 2015.

More Christians were reportedly murdered by ISIS militants in 2015 and 2016, but the names and places of death of the victims have yet to be compiled in one document, CNS News reported.

Whooooosh....

 

[Denny Crane]

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/432993/isis-genocide-christians-recognized-john-kerry-congress

On March 14, Congress passed, by a historic, unanimous 393–0 vote, House Continuing Resolution 75, recognizing the ongoing genocide of Christians, Yazidis, and other religious minorities under ISIS.

Seven days later, Secretary Kerry followed suit. “Daesh is genocidal by self-proclamation, by ideology, and by actions,” Kerry said. “We must recognize what Daesh is doing to its victims.”

 

[Denny Crane]

And the dog goes down hard.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

And the dog goes down hard.

Whoooosh....

 

[Sedatedfork]

So what were your thoughts on Obama's 2015 Terrorist Travel Prevention Act?

That was 6 years ago. I don't remember it. But it sounds like it was in response to an imminent threat. I don't recall people being stranded at the airport as a fly by night EO was signed. I also don't recall legal immigrants being afraid to travel overseas because they might not be able to get back in.

 

[Denny Crane]

http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/17/politics/us-iraq-syria-genocide/

(CNN)Secretary of State John Kerry said Thursday that the United States has determined that ISIS' action against the Yazidis and other minority groups in Iraq and Syria constitutes genocide.

"My purpose here today is to assert in my judgment, (ISIS) is responsible for genocide against groups in areas under its control including Yazidis, Christians and Shiite Muslims," he said, during a news conference at the State Department.

Kerry said that in 2014, ISIS trapped Yazidis, killed them, enslaved thousands of Yazidi women and girls, "selling them at auction, raping them at will and destroying the communities in which they had lived for countless generations," executed Christians "solely for their faith" and also "forced Christian women and girls into slavery."

 

[Denny Crane]

That was 6 years ago. I don't remember it. But it sounds like it was in response to an imminent threat. I don't recall people being stranded at the airport as a fly by night EO was signed. I also don't recall legal immigrants being afraid to travel overseas because they might not be able to get back in.

2015 was barely a year ago.

The ACLU was the only group to question it.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

 

[Sedatedfork]

2015 was barely a year ago.

The ACLU was the only group to question it.

OK. I thought I read it was in 2011. I stand corrected.

 

[blue32]

OK. I thought I read it was in 2011. I stand corrected.

You are correct sort of, there were two things happening. Obama in 2011, put a refugee ban in place for 6 months on Iraq. And in 2015 there was the Terrorist Travel Prevention Act.

 

[Sedatedfork]

You are correct sort of, there were two things happening. Obama in 2011, put a refugee ban in place for 6 months on Iraq. And in 2015 there was the Terrorist Travel Prevention Act.

Thanks for letting me know I am not completely losing my mind!

 

[Denny Crane]

The media isn't talking about the 2015 law. They're more interested in debunking that Obama did in 2011 the same thing as Trump.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

 

[Rastapopoulos]

This:
https://www.buzzfeed.com/victoriasa...f-tweets-addre?utm_term=.mhWRqWePD#.vxGk70YPG

 

[UncleCliffy'sDaddy]

You are correct sort of, there were two things happening. Obama in 2011, put a refugee ban in place for 6 months on Iraq. And in 2015 there was the Terrorist Travel Prevention Act.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...y-625pm:homepage/story&utm_term=.a33fc92e9980
My understanding is that there were restrictions but NO ban.....

 

[blue32]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2017/01/29/trumps-facile-claim-that-his-refugee-policy-is-similar-to-obama-in-2011/?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_fc-refugee-policy-625pm:homepage/story&utm_term=.a33fc92e9980
My understanding is that there were restrictions but NO ban.....

Ban or "stopped processing Iraq refugees". I guess semantics... Either way, the goal was similar.

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/al-qa...terrorists-country-refugees/story?id=20931131

 

[blue32]

Would like to know where the outrage was when Obama nixed the wet foot dry foot......on his way out the door.

 

[barfo]

Would like to know where the outrage was when Obama nixed the wet foot dry foot......on his way out the door.

Why should there be outrage about that?

barfo

 

[blue32]

Why should there be outrage about that?

barfo

You're right, Cuban refugees were likely not Muslim....

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Easy. Pick the countries listed in the earlier Act by Obama. That way they can disclaim any anti-Muslim intent and make it seem legal. They will probably broaden it later.

Sounds like you're saying that there isn't really anything wrong with what he has done, just with what you assume he will do in the future.

 

[barfo]

You're right, Cuban refugees were likely not Muslim....

Why should illegal immigrants from Cuba have better treatment than, say, illegal immigrants from Mexico?

barfo

 

[Sedatedfork]

Sounds like you're saying that there isn't really anything wrong with what he has done, just with what you assume he will do in the future.

I don't have a problem with reworking the immigration policy. I don't like how it was done. I don't like the breadth of the change or the immediacy of it, particularly affecting already documented legal immigrants and leaving many families in limbo. I don't like the apprehension that it will become permanent. I am saying that the intent was bigoted, and there was an attempt to make it look like it wasn't directed towards muslims.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Why should illegal immigrants from Cuba have better treatment than, say, illegal immigrants from Mexico?

barfo

Because Castro already sent all the criminals here years ago.

 

[barfo]

Because Castro already sent all the criminals here years ago.

Is there something you are trying to tell us about your dad?

barfo

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Is there something you are trying to tell us about your dad?

barfo

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