Immigration

[EL PRESIDENTE]

I taught in Hawaii dude, all locals, nobody can speak english..you know da kine brah..stay Kona side, get choke pakalolo and da kine grinds!

Yeah Hawaiians are annoying

sent from my pink iPhone 6s plus. it cost $1200 cash, son

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Yeah Hawaiians are annoying

sent from my pink iPhone 6s plus. it cost $1200 cash, son

Shut your whore mouth, brah!

Straight stylin' on ya.

 

[UncleCliffy'sDaddy]

I taught in Hawaii dude, all locals, nobody can speak english..you know da kine brah..stay Kona side, get choke pakalolo and da kine grinds!

Sorry brah, I give up. My translator app just shit itself. I got the first sentence. The rest is about getting some wowie and chillin'...........??

 

[riverman]

Sorry brah, I give up. My translator app just shit itself. I got the first sentence. The rest is about getting some wowie and chillin'...........??

I can speak pidgin pretty well for a haole...takes awhile to get the hang of it..lot of Rastas in Hawaii too, another language that takes awhile

 

[UncleCliffy'sDaddy]

I can speak pidgin pretty well for a haole...takes awhile to get the hang of it..lot of Rastas in Hawaii too, another language that takes awhile

So.....................I got the rest of it right.........??

 

[oldfisherman]

 

[riverman]

So.....................I got the rest of it right.........??

da kine means just about any thing person object or place you're talking about...choke means lots..pakalolo means pot...grinds means things to eat..haole means white person or literally translated, no color..empty..without soul

 

[UncleCliffy'sDaddy]

da kine means just about any thing person object or place you're talking about...choke means lots..pakalolo means pot...grinds means things to eat..haole means white person or literally translated, no color..empty..without soul

Gawddamn I'm good!!!! And I only spent a week in Hawaii....

 

[riverman]

Gawddamn I'm good!!!! And I only spent a week in Hawaii....

I offer classes in badly spoken English comprehension for a small fortune...tell you where to avoid when going there for a small fee on top of that

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Understanding Hawaiian lingo is scientifically proven to drop your IQ down a few notches.

 

[riverman]

Understanding Hawaiian lingo is scientifically proven to drop your IQ down a few notches.

scientific method at work..you want proof? I'm your proof!

 

[MARIS61]

You the citizens are the ones arming (and paying for arming) your police. They don't get that authority from the military.

Actually, DHS supplied the tanks and heavy weaponry to all major city police departments in the US in exchange for "unquestioned cooperation" with DHS whenever they want it.

Portland, Oregon was the only major city to refuse cooperation.

 

[stampedehero]

Who will trim grass, move shrubs and clean apartments/houses/motels without strategically placed hispanic men and women? The whole fence idea is absurd and a waste of $ because immigrants can come from China, India, Cuba, Russia and Central America.

 

[andalusian]

Who will trim grass, move shrubs and clean apartments/houses/motels without strategically placed hispanic men and women? The whole fence idea is absurd and a waste of $ because immigrants can come from China, India, Cuba, Russia and Central America.

So build an Effin wall around China.

 

[riverman]

So build an Effin wall around China.

They already tried that and it still didn't keep the Mongolian hordes from conquering them

 

[magnifier661]

By virtue of the fact that your family went through Ellis Island, they were "legal" immigrants. My green-card-holding-for-55-years-until-she-died grandmother had to wait in France until her green card was approved, and she was married to someone in the military. She did it legally.

Yes, I have a problem with illegal immigration, and it isn't because of jobs, or minimum wages, or even "sending money out of the country". It's because when people are here illegally/undocumented, they are set up to be exploited by pieces of shit for whatever money they do have/earn, or become victims of human trafficking, or have to live under fear of deportation and therefore can be blackmailed into doing criminal activity. I saw this first-hand in Seattle with people our church worked with (especially single-mother Somali families in one part of the neighborhood).

My question would be: why are people against immigrants having to go through the process the government has for immigration (whatever it is) and register to be here legally?
Why is it that Afghans here who have advanced degrees, can speak English and have been (literally) bleeding for the US or have had family members killed or threatened because they work for us can't get a visa to the US, but there are 11M or so undocumented people who just didn't bother to go through the long process and get denied by our government can say "screw it, I'm coming anyway"?

Very well said...

 

[magnifier661]

I know many democrat blue collar workers here that have been hugely effected by illegals. They've been forced to join unions, because the illegals have forced them to either take $15-20 per hour construction jobs, when it used to be $25-35 per hour. With the union dues, they make less as they watch illegals get paid under the table in cash (non taxed income).

Many illegals do not want to become citizens because they receive free health care, children food vouchers for school, and other forms of welfare, while they can take non-taxed income.

I'm in total support of making immigration much easier, but it doesn't solve the problem when companies and those that work "illegally" save much much more money without citizenship.

 

[riverman]

I know many democrat blue collar workers here that have been hugely effected by illegals. They've been forced to join unions, because the illegals have forced them to either take $15-20 per hour construction jobs, when it used to be $25-35 per hour. With the union dues, they make less as they watch illegals get paid under the table in cash (non taxed income).

Many illegals do not want to become citizens because they receive free health care, children food vouchers for school, and other forms of welfare, while they can take non-taxed income.

I'm in total support of making immigration much easier, but it doesn't solve the problem when companies and those that work "illegally" save much much more money without citizenship.

C'mon mags...illegals have forced democrats to join unions and work for 15-20 bucks and hour? My union boss here of 15 years never made 25-35 dollars an hour and few wage workers do. If you think legal american citizens don't accept welfare, work under the table or make less than illegal labor...I don't know what to tell you...if it's democrats who are being left out of the work field....who's hiring the illegals? Republicans? 20-30 million women and children are trafficked illegally all around the globe annually, some sold in the states to sweat shops...I've yet to meet a hispanic couple who did not want to obtain american citizenship. You're really reaching here mags.

 

[magnifier661]

C'mon mags...illegals have forced democrats to join unions and work for 15-20 bucks and hour? My union boss here of 15 years never made 25-35 dollars an hour and few wage workers do. If you think legal american citizens don't accept welfare, work under the table or make less than illegal labor...I don't know what to tell you...if it's democrats who are being left out of the work field....who's hiring the illegals? Republicans? 20-30 million women and children are trafficked illegally all around the globe annually, some sold in the states to sweat shops...I've yet to meet a hispanic couple who did not want to obtain american citizenship. You're really reaching here mags.

You live in Oregon bro. You aren't the center of the universe. That is the wage in SoCal for construction.

And the "white people accepting welfar" is 100% accurate. Here's the difference... They (any color legal U.S. Citizen) are "legally" taking welfare and accounted for.

 

[riverman]

You live in Oregon bro. You aren't the center of the universe. That is the wage in SoCal for construction.

My children and grandchildren have lived their entire lives in California..I have lived and worked in California. My oldest son works in construction and wasn't forced to join a union or take a pay cut..my daughter is a successful dental assistant in San Diego...other daughter is in the tourist travel industry. I worked in Los Angeles and San Diego when I was younger. If a construction contractor hires under the table, it's not his labor force shutting out more expensive workers, it's the boss' own greed...you are assessing blame to the wrong people

 

[riverman]

You live in Oregon bro. You aren't the center of the universe. That is the wage in SoCal for construction.

And the "white people accepting welfar" is 100% accurate. Here's the difference... They (any color legal U.S. Citizen) are "legally" taking welfare and accounted for.

Oregon is the center of the universe by the way...Los Angeles is the bus station of the universe

 

[magnifier661]

Oregon is the center of the universe by the way...Los Angeles is the bus station of the universe

Joking aside, these issues are very prominent to southern states. Even Chicago and Detroit are having a big problem with illegal immigrants.

 

[riverman]

Joking aside, these issues are very prominent to southern states. Even Chicago and Detroit are having a big problem with illegal immigrants.

I'm all in favor of shutting down sweatshops, human trafficking and corrupt business practices in America..I think we all are. I'm saying the blame is within our country, not threatened by poor people trying to survive.

 

[magnifier661]

I'm all in favor of shutting down sweatshops, human trafficking and corrupt business practices in America..I think we all are. I'm saying the blame is within our country, not threatened by poor people trying to survive.

The major issue I have with immigration are getting the criminals out for good and expediting and simplifying the existing immigration policy. We need them tax payers as soon as possible.

 

[riverman]

When my wife was waiting for her final citizenship interview in Portland there was an elderly winery owner from Southern Oregon there applying for work permits for skilled farmers that she was hiring. Wonderful woman, fluent in Spanish. Talked to me for an afternoon about how these two families were indespensable to her business...they were the best talent she could find for her winery. There are millions of good immigration stories in this country.

 

[magnifier661]

When my wife was waiting for her final citizenship interview in Portland there was an elderly winery owner from Southern Oregon there applying for work permits for skilled farmers that she was hiring. Wonderful woman, fluent in Spanish. Talked to me for an afternoon about how these two families were indespensable to her business...they were the best talent she could find for her winery. There are millions of good immigration stories in this country.

Legal immigration is not the problem! Why does everyone spin this issue? The LEGAL immigration is absolutely wonderful. The illegal immigration is cancerous.

 

[riverman]

Legal immigration is not the problem! Why does everyone spin this issue? The LEGAL immigration is absolutely wonderful. The illegal immigration is cancerous.

You have to consider the source with undocumented people are trying to live anywhere...a lot are escaping, refugees from atrocities and you want to send them back to war torn or corrupt homes where they may not survive. This is a fact...not every illegal here is here to scam the american taxpayer or run cocaine cartels. Our system cannot turn away the folks truly in need because of the criminal element that takes advantage of it. We have legal citizens here who milk the welfare system as well. That's a welfare problem and they need to address it in house.

 

[magnifier661]

You have to consider the source with undocumented people are trying to live anywhere...a lot are escaping, refugees from atrocities and you want to send them back to war torn or corrupt homes where they may not survive. This is a fact...not every illegal here is here to scam the american taxpayer or run cocaine cartels. Our system cannot turn away the folks truly in need because of the criminal element that takes advantage of it. We have legal citizens here who milk the welfare system as well. That's a welfare problem and they need to address it in house.

I understand and respect that, but you must have a order in place to stop the ones that abuse. It's a unfortunate evil, but it is very necessary. Look at the epidemic Europe is having right now with their refugees issue?

We buy homes, build fences or walls to protect our property. Have doors and locks. You just cannot leave your door wide open and assume that all have good will. We lock our doors for a reason.

 

[riverman]

Legal immigration is not the problem! Why does everyone spin this issue? The LEGAL immigration is absolutely wonderful. The illegal immigration is cancerous.

Racial profiling that comes with illegal suspicions is cancerous..are they also going after Canadians who drive across the border and just stick around? Answer..probably not. The reason we're spinning this is in reaction to a very public figure making very dangerous statements in regards to the immigration issue. Biggest political red flag I've seen in ages...I remember trying to figure out what a North Vietnamese or South Vietnamese looked like...imagine trying to the entire hispanic community of the United States...wow..just wow..what a mess that would set back civil rights to the stone ages.

 

[UncleCliffy'sDaddy]

Considering this is a nation of (mostly....I didn't forget about folks like Santee Sioux) immigrants and we are virtually all descendants of immigrants, I'd find this whole thread amusingly ironic if it wasn't such a hot button issue with serious consequences all the way around. What, just because a few centuries have passed we've lost our collective memories? Who helped build the railroads because "real" Americans didn't want to do the work? The lowly Irish and the Chinese. Who fought in place of "real" Anericans (who could afford to pay a substitute) in the Civil War? The lowly Irish. Who did the menial work that "real" Americans refused to do? The Chinese, the Japanese, the Irish, the blacks and the Mexicans. Who was the first to get shit on when the financial panics and recessions hit. Every race but the white one. We, as a country, would be nowhere near as far along in terms of "progress" if it wasn't for immigrants. One has to wonder what all of us might be doing right now and where we might be doing it if a wall (or other similar obstacles) had been in place throughout the last 2 centuries....and while I'm at it, criminal elements can enter this country just as easily as law abiding immigrants, perhaps even more easily, given their potential resources and connections. This issue is as old as our country itself and nothing has really changed. Except that America has gone from being a refuge from tyranny and despair, to being an exclusive club that wants to play the "I got mine, now fuck you" game. I wouldn't have a house to lock or a yard to fence if someone had told my ancestors to get lost. And neither would you Mags. I don't have any real good answers, but denying other humans an opportunity to pursue a better future is bullshit. How many potential Einsteins, Edison's or Bill Gates of other races are we squelching by denying them the resources available in the US to achieve that status? As riverman correctly points out, the problem is in house. We need to quit blaming the immigrants for the problems we "real" Americans created and, for a wide variety of reasons, deliberately refuse to solve.