Is Collins demoted?

[borim69]

I think a lot of it has to do with the development. Instead of concentrating on what he does well to get him out on the floor they are trying to concentrate on what he needs a lot of practice on. As was mentioned before he had 1 year in college riding the pine then came out in the playoffs and showed what he could really do. The fact that we know he can come out and get 6 blocks in a game is reason enough for me to give him at least 2 more years.

 

[James lamphear]

I think a lot of it has to do with the development. Instead of concentrating on what he does well to get him out on the floor they are trying to concentrate on what he needs a lot of practice on. As was mentioned before he had 1 year in college riding the pine then came out in the playoffs and showed what he could really do. The fact that we know he can come out and get 6 blocks in a game is reason enough for me to give him at least 2 more years.

Last night he good stat line in 18 minutes 7 points 3-3fg 1-2 ft 9 rebs 1assist 2steals 2blocks 2 turnovers 5PF. So besides the fouls and 4 of them doing what he supposed doing protecting rim.

 

[wizenheimer]

Last night he good stat line in 15 minutes 7 points 3-3fg 1-2 ft 8 rebs 1assist 2steals 2blocks 2 turnovers 5PF. So besides the fouls and 4 of them doing what he supposed doing protecting rim.

the problem with that is Maxi Kleber and Dwight Powell are not physical players at all. They are just tall & mobile like Collins. If Deandre Jordan had still been there, Meyers would have played most of the minutes at C that Collins got because Collins still gets overwhelmed and uprooted by physical players

in other words, Collins is still a situational bench player, not an every-situation bench player. He's still deep into the project phase, which doesn't help a win-now team much. Now, as he matures you would expect him to develop better core strength, which in turn should help him avoid constant foul trouble. But right now, he's just not that good on either end of the floor. Beating on a dead horse, the flaws Collins had were masked much better when he was welded to Ed Davis. He's more exposed this season

and the other issue is that with Aminu-Harkless-Layman-Hood, the competition for forward minutes is intense enough to knock Collins out of consistent minutes. The only relief valve could be Hood playing some SG

 

[Schilly]

Remember when players came into the league at 22 and you still gave the 2-3 years to acclimate amdbthen another 2-3 to enter their prime?

Remember Layman in his 2nd season compared to this season?

 

[James lamphear]

the problem with that is Maxi Kleber and Dwight Powell are not physical players at all. They are just tall & mobile like Collins. If Deandre Jordan had still been there, Meyers would have played most of the minutes at C that Collins got because Collins still gets overwhelmed and uprooted by physical players

in other words, Collins is still a situational bench player, not an every-situation bench player. He's still deep into the project phase, which doesn't help a win-now team much. Now, as he matures you would expect him to develop better core strength, which in turn should help him avoid constant foul trouble. But right now, he's just not that good on either end of the floor. Beating on a dead horse, the flaws Collins had were masked much better when he was welded to Ed Davis. He's more exposed this season

and the other issue is that with Aminu-Harkless-Layman-Hood, the competition for forward minutes is intense enough to knock Collins out of consistent minutes. The only relief valve could be Hood playing some SG

Nurk would been on Jordan due to Jordan would have started so Collins would have played against the same players. Collins get in foul trouble due are guards don't play a lick of defense and he cover up for them same as Nurk lately. Yes he has to get stronger and everyone knows that and it will come. But don't take anything away from the kid in 15 minutes he had a decent game. Plus if Stotts allow to hedge some off screens instead waiting under the basket for player coming at them probably would prevent a lot of fouling.

 

[Jon]

IMO, Collins needs an Ed Davis type player next to him to be successful. look at last year, dude became a beast. now they pair him with meyers and he is regressing. fouling all the time cause he is the only one to have to defend the rim, cause meyers cant.

 

[twobullz]

IMO, Collins needs an Ed Davis type player next to him to be successful. look at last year, dude became a beast. now they pair him with meyers and he is regressing. fouling all the time cause he is the only one to have to defend the rim, cause meyers cant.

What is your excuse for the last couple games when Zach has not done much. He has not been playing with Meyers and is still making all the dumb fouls. Also dude needs to learn to finish. Last couple games he has had easy layin's at the hoop and has blown them.

 

[Reep]

Last night he good stat line in 15 minutes 7 points 3-3fg 1-2 ft 8 rebs 1assist 2steals 2blocks 2 turnovers 5PF. So besides the fouls and 4 of them doing what he supposed doing protecting rim.

He had a decent game, but is still getting rebounds ripped away from him by guards. He will be solid. My fear is that the team may expect too much from him at this time, with his limited strength and it may hurt him psychologically down the road. Almost wonder if it would be better to slow him down a bit.

At this point it doesn't really matter as it will be whoever helps the playoff push the most. I guess if all things were equal, might be better to let Collins sit v. others that are more physically mature at this point--if all else was equal.

 

[James lamphear]

What is your excuse for the last couple games when Zach has not done much. He has not been playing with Meyers and is still making all the dumb fouls. Also dude needs to learn to finish. Last couple games he has had easy layin's at the hoop and has blown them.

Last game he was 3-3 fg and he need finish stronger at the rim. He had 9 boards last night and 3 of was offense rebs. Yea had 5 fouls and our Nurk foul out for covering for other players lack of defense. I thought last night Zach had decent stat line. I think we expect to much from him but you need realize that this offense is for guards and not bigs. The Nurk get some points off pick rolls but also he get a lot points off offense rebounds.

 

[James lamphear]

He had a decent game, but is still getting rebounds ripped away from him by guards. He will be solid. My fear is that the team may expect too much from him at this time, with his limited strength and it may hurt him psychologically down the road. Almost wonder if it would be better to slow him down a bit.

At this point it doesn't really matter as it will be whoever helps the playoff push the most. I guess if all things were equal, might be better to let Collins sit v. others that are more physically mature at this point--if all else was equal.

Yea need stronger but needs strengthen his hands too. But you got your choice between Zach or Meyers. Yes Meyers can shoot the 3 ball better and he is stronger but he is stiff as hell defense that why he has trouble there. Even with Zach foul problems I still like Zach over Meyers just because he still defends better.