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Status Coup & Photojournalist Farina Footage of Trumpist Insurgency at Capitol in Worldwide Demand.

 
Strenuus said:
Did they, in the summer, break into a federal building WITH guns, hit cops with fire extinguishers, flags, their own batons?

Did they, in the summer, bring zip ties for the purpose of taking senators hostage?

Did they, in the summer, fight to overturn an election? No, they fought for human rights in the summer.

Did they, in the summer, just get let in to the federal buildings at the planning of congressmen and blessing of the guy in the white house?

There is no equivalent to the two. When it happened in the summer, that guy in the white house sent in reinforcements immediatetly.. they flashbanged and smoked off and barricaded everything.. because of what? People fighting for human rights. When the insurrection happened right across the street, it took 3 hours before any additional help arrived.

There is no comparison to the orchestrated attempt at overtaking a government, to people fighting for basic human rights and equity. Its shameful its even being compared.
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Stealing TVs and burning down people’s small businesses isn’t “fighting for human rights” that is fucking ludicrous. Your double standard is glaring.

Anyone who committed a crime at the capital needs to be held accountable...for the crimes they committed, whether it be theft, trespassing, assault or murder.

Dubious conspiracy theories about Trump instructing or ‘inciting’ his minions to overthrow the American government are unproven at this point. You can absolutely make the case that a few of the rioters had that in mind (guy with zip ties) and should be charged accordingly, but to call this a grand conspiracy being ordered by the sitting president is just stupid and lacks credibility.
 
Minstrel said:
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“Watch these evil white people do bad stuff in the 60’s, if you’re not on our side politically you are one of them”

Well thought message.

Flip a coin: heads you’re a force for good in the world.
Tails you’re human trash.
 
jonnyboy said:
“Watch these evil white people do bad stuff in the 60’s, if you’re not on our side politically you are one of them”

Well thought message.

Flip a coin: heads you’re a force for good in the world.
Tails you’re human trash.
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More like, align yourself with white supremacists, then you're not a force for good and quite comparable to Jim Crow era politicians.

But you understood that. Also, do you even think those white people in the 1960s were "evil" or "did bad stuff?" That's not on brand for you. Your brand is "It's dumb to call those people racist, nobody cares about skin color. Stop being such ridiculous alarmists. Now let's get back to how Democrats are destroying the world."
 
jonnyboy said:
Stealing TVs and burning down people’s small businesses isn’t “fighting for human rights” that is fucking ludicrous. Your double standard is glaring.

Anyone who committed a crime at the capital needs to be held accountable...for the crimes they committed, whether it be theft, trespassing, assault or murder.

Dubious conspiracy theories about Trump instructing or ‘inciting’ his minions to overthrow the American government are unproven at this point. You can absolutely make the case that a few of the rioters had that in mind (guy with zip ties) and should be charged accordingly, but to call this a grand conspiracy being ordered by the sitting president is just stupid and lacks credibility.
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I had observed both of your points. I believe the justification for protesting is a privilege both groups have but the radicals attached to the movements are like leeches on flesh, which, in turn, destroyed the intentions of the non-violent participants. In a scale of disgrace; the Trump, Trump Jr., Giuliani, Hawley and Mo Brooks direct encouragements prior to and on January 6th guided Insurrection Invasion against the very heart of the our Constitution and our Country. Words and phrases like "fight", take back your country, trial by combat are valid litigating points. Pelosi will gather more evidence for the impeachment presentation to the Senate.
 
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Orion Bailey said:
so which is it?

Does intent matter or does it not?
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Intent with destructive action matters. You could stand on a corner and say fuck you to somebody but if you break down doors and invade their house with deliberate intention to harm those within or guarding the premises, the action illustrates their harmful intentions.
 
Orion Bailey said:
i said this most of the summer and was berated and treated like a soft racist by many here. Cant have both sidisms.....



i agree 100%, my confusion and this frustration is i was when i was saying this during the summer many people turned on me and labeled me as a racist supporter.
i said 100% support the protests. I do not support the vandalism and open lawlessness.
I was told it was just a couple of copy blocks downtown and many railed on me here.

im not saying you.
But its been a driving force in my posting behavior/style these days because i feel there has been such a double standard used to irrationally imply and label me and some others, as “ on the wrong side” or a racist supporter.

i tried to converse with a proud boy supporter in hopes to get him to see he is supporting something that isn't right.
I told this to someone else who is a Blm supporter and i was instantly cut off. “Why are you talking to the enemy? You are associating with the enemy, so you support my enemy which makes you an enemy...”

i was floored.
Good conversations without instant judgement and insulting/demeaning slants are sooo hard to come by these days...
@Lanny
Thats in part why i was frustrated the other day, to have been having a good one to have it infiltrated with a borderline racist label.
im not gonna lighten up about being labeled a soft racist.
i tag you only because you brought that back up again this morning in another thread. I thought this might help you understand my position.


We should be able to have discussions about what is right and wrong for all people without being labeled anything from the get go.

A rarity around here..
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Wasn't my remark this morning which I dearly wish to drop, in the same thread? Oops, I see you you meant it another way as this thread is a different thread. I haven't had either my coffee nor my breakfast yet this morning. I see my wife just got up so expect the drink and breakfast part will soon change.
I wish no feud with you nor anyone else, so I'm going to back off.
 
Orion Bailey said:
i never did either Lanny. I only sought good constructive conversations. Enjoy your breakfast. I just had mine. Blueberry pancakes.
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What's better than blueberry pancakes? Perhaps Swedish pancakes or maybe apple pancakes.
I always eat the same breakfast. If it's a dialysis day first it's a little oatmeal with a couple slices of canned peaches, hash browns with some jalapeno mixed in, bacon, sausage or ham but usually bacon and one egg over very easy. I use to drink either orange juice or grapefruit juice but my nutritionist said these are no nos for dialysis patients so now it's Concord grape juice or apple juice, yuk, but what can I do? I need all this in order to survive dialysis. Non dialysis days I just have the oatmeal and wait for lunch.
Confession, I seldom drink coffee. That remark was just to warm up the conversation by feigning a little grogginess.
 
But let's make this conversation about me and how much I love to continue whining about how much I'm mistreated. And I'll do it day after day after day after day after day after day.
 
Orion Bailey said:
i said this most of the summer and was berated and treated like a soft racist by many here. Cant have both sidisms.....



i agree 100%, my confusion and this frustration is i was when i was saying this during the summer many people turned on me and labeled me as a racist supporter.
i said 100% support the protests. I do not support the vandalism and open lawlessness.
I was told it was just a couple of copy blocks downtown and many railed on me here.

im not saying you.
But its been a driving force in my posting behavior/style these days because i feel there has been such a double standard used to irrationally imply and label me and some others, as “ on the wrong side” or a racist supporter.

i tried to converse with a proud boy supporter in hopes to get him to see he is supporting something that isn't right.
I told this to someone else who is a Blm supporter and i was instantly cut off. “Why are you talking to the enemy? You are associating with the enemy, so you support my enemy which makes you an enemy...”

i was floored.
Good conversations without instant judgement and insulting/demeaning slants are sooo hard to come by these days...
@Lanny
Thats in part why i was frustrated the other day, to have been having a good one to have it infiltrated with a borderline racist label.
im not gonna lighten up about being labeled a soft racist.
i tag you only because you brought that back up again this morning in another thread. I thought this might help you understand my position.​


We should be able to have discussions about what is right and wrong for all people without being labeled anything from the get go.​

A rarity around here..​
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The majority of people are one dimensional thinkers and few see the overall picture. Rather, they would place a label on a person instead of respecting their position. I found that out working as an independent home inspector and in municipal government for years.​
 
Firstly, I'd like to again express my surprise that anyone is equating the protest of this summer with January 6th. They are the proverbial apples and oranges and if you can't see the difference, it seems you are either 1. lying, because it's clearly laughable to compare the two or 2. onboard on some level with what happened. Because these two are not the same.

That was a pretty no-wiggle-room statement^^^^ so maybe there's a different way of looking at it. This summer was about unity, you'd find people from most every walk of life there, joining arms and singing and things like that. All surrounding the notion that people should be treated as equals and things such as ending excessive police violence against minorities and the system is rigged and so forth. Debatable at times but not crazy notions. On the first few nights, there was smashing and looting. And that is the sticking point in this conversation, for some reason....

The smashing and looting: mostly kids, anyone has to admit. I think that's an important distinction. Teenagers are impulse machines. Also there was a pandemic going on and everyone had been quarantined and the tension was building and POP. The continual onslaught on the federal buildings and protesting outside officials homes and so forth were more akin with January 6th, but the basis for the rage was and is the failure of what America says it offers: freedom and equality. It's a good thing to fight for...

Now, January 6th. So many old, grownass people, and as we've discovered, some professionals and politicians and cops and so forth--people that *should* know better--mixed in with the white supremacists and proud boys and Qanon followers and other super losers. Now what were they protesting? A lie. This incredibly psychotic invasion on the Capitol building was because people believe in conspiracy theories, or they just love their leader so much they were willing to forgo the rules of our nation and its elections.

And finally, I'll tell you who doesn't think they are the same? The prosecutors putting together the thousands of charges they are about to drop on these idiots. Congress also doesn't quite see the similarity, nor (hopefully) does the Senate (see the second impeachment of Trump). The majority of American don't make the same mistake folks in here are making, and nor does THE ENTIRE WORLD. This is less a viable discussion topic and more yet another opportunity to smash our collective heads against the wall in disbelief.

(Sorry for the novel...)
 
Orion Bailey said:
yep and like the post a above yours, many here are clueless to their hypocrisy. BItch about me going on but at the same time continue the goings on by pig piling and making a rebuttal post. Its hilarious.

@theprunetang
I responded to someones quote. Nothing more. you make a post bitching about it. Makes you better??

gtfo with that hypocrisy. Maybe if you made a single effort to see that, my responding to yours and a few other double standards would cease...


BUt instead ill just keep jumping in and making snide responses, continuing the very shit im bitching about....
:banghead2::banghead2::banghead2:
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It is annoying as hell. Can't talk about anything in here without you making the conversation about you and your grievances. You don't make this place better.
 
Orion Bailey said:
You just don't get it. i was having a conversation that wasnt about myself until someone made it abiut me. Then i defended myself. Now you wont shut up about it.
WaKe the fuck up dude, your posts to me Rent making anything better wither.
Fucking mirror is on the bathroom.
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Whine whine whine.
 
stampedehero said:
The majority of people are one dimensional thinkers and few see the overall picture. Rather, they would place a label on a person instead of respecting their position. I found that out working as an independent home inspector and in municipal government for years.​
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Hi. I’m Calvin Natt and I would like to unequivocally and very very clearly state that I 100% do not respect any position that stands with Trumps side. Thanks for having me.
 
Orion Bailey said:
may i ask when is it acceptable to discuss the damage/vandalism done during the summer aNd how it impacted/undermined to an extent a just cause, being called a whatabouter or a both sider?

is that discussion allowable without being labeled as a trump riot supporter or what er the fuck else?

When is the want of that conversation not goign to be misconstrued as someone trying to compare the capital riots to this summer?
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1) Everyone here thinks this summers destruction was bad and terrible and perpetrators should be hung by their balls. For the 100th time.
2) the *reason* behind the summer chaos and last weekend are the difference. One is totally legitimate and makes complete sense (BLM, police brutality, please stop killing black people) and the other was driven by QAnon and a twice impeached, lunatic, idiotic President

so we can compare the two I guess if you’d like to but this is what most of us think so where do we go from here? What else would you like to debate.
 
Orion Bailey said:
may i ask when is it acceptable to discuss the damage/vandalism done during the summer aNd how it impacted/undermined to an extent a just cause, being called a whatabouter or a both sider?

is that discussion allowable without being labeled as a trump riot supporter or what er the fuck else?

When is the want of that conversation not goign to be misconstrued as someone trying to compare the capital riots to this summer?
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I just think they are separate conversations, as well as separate
Orion Bailey said:
may i ask when is it acceptable to discuss the damage/vandalism done during the summer aNd how it impacted/undermined to an extent a just cause, being called a whatabouter or a both sider?

is that discussion allowable without being labeled as a trump riot supporter or what er the fuck else?

When is the want of that conversation not goign to be misconstrued as someone trying to compare the capital riots to this summer?
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I'm having trouble writing a response to your questions, I'll admit. But let me try...

Compare them how? They are pretty dissimilar. The intent of one was unity and justice and to end violence and the other was quite literally the opposite. During the first there was violence and destruction as protesters faced the exact thing they were protesting, ie excessive police violence (now, of course, I'm simplifying for brevity)... So, sure, compare them, but I think it confuses people, because January 6th was in response to what and for what? And it went MUCH further. And it just reinforced everything the left thought of the right.......and so it's hard to see why we need to compare the two. I feel like wanting to invites suspicion is all.

Someone said this earlier, but intent is very important here. And in two hundred years, I'm guessing, the infamous January 6th insurrection will be noted in the history books, while the summer protests probably won't even make the cut...
 
Minstrel said:
More like, align yourself with white supremacists, then you're not a force for good and quite comparable to Jim Crow era politicians.

But you understood that. Also, do you even think those white people in the 1960s were "evil" or "did bad stuff?" That's not on brand for you. Your brand is "It's dumb to call those people racist, nobody cares about skin color. Stop being such ridiculous alarmists. Now let's get back to how Democrats are destroying the world."
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That was a lot of words used to cheaply call someone a racist because you have no other argument.
 
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